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How Much Will Solo Make WW?

Under $700M 56 60.87%
 
$700M-$800M 18 19.57%
 
$801M-$900M 12 13.04%
 
$901M-$1B 3 3.26%
 
Over $1B 3 3.26%
 
Total:92
Chris Hu said:
Azuren said:

Keep doubling down on that Alex Jones-level cognitive dissonance. You might have a future as a Disney employee.

A Wrinkle In Time was written when most of the US was still segregated and discrimination was still legal.  Heck interracial marriages still where illegal in most states when it was first released.  Them adding a few minority characters to reflect current times and not the late 50's and early 60's I have no problem with.  Also its not like all white cast version adaptation of the book doesn't exists.  People that are butt hurt over the inclusion of minority actors in newest version can just watch the 2003 version instead.   

Okay, two things.

First, that's still not a good enough reason to run around ethno-swapping and gender-swapping established characters for no reason. It didn't matter in the book, and it still doesn't matter- so why do it?

Second, the big issue is apparent in the damn trailers: they took a book that is so fantastically creative that it required technology 50 years beyond its conception and practically threw it all away to write a 109 minute inspirational ad for anyone who ever felt victimized. And as nice a sentiment as that is, What the fuck did they do with the movie I waited 15 years to watch? 



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Azuren said:
Chris Hu said:

A Wrinkle In Time was written when most of the US was still segregated and discrimination was still legal.  Heck interracial marriages still where illegal in most states when it was first released.  Them adding a few minority characters to reflect current times and not the late 50's and early 60's I have no problem with.  Also its not like all white cast version adaptation of the book doesn't exists.  People that are butt hurt over the inclusion of minority actors in newest version can just watch the 2003 version instead.   

Okay, two things.

First, that's still not a good enough reason to run around ethno-swapping and gender-swapping established characters for no reason. It didn't matter in the book, and it still doesn't matter- so why do it?

Second, the big issue is apparent in the damn trailers: they took a book that is so fantastically creative that it required technology 50 years beyond its conception and practically threw it all away to write a 109 minute inspirational ad for anyone who ever felt victimized. And as nice a sentiment as that is, What the fuck did they do with the movie I waited 15 years to watch? 

Again, if you don't like it just watch the 2003 version but that one isn't that good either but since they failed twice in making a decent movie out of it I doubt they will try again anytime soon.



Chris Hu said:
Azuren said:

Okay, two things.

First, that's still not a good enough reason to run around ethno-swapping and gender-swapping established characters for no reason. It didn't matter in the book, and it still doesn't matter- so why do it?

Second, the big issue is apparent in the damn trailers: they took a book that is so fantastically creative that it required technology 50 years beyond its conception and practically threw it all away to write a 109 minute inspirational ad for anyone who ever felt victimized. And as nice a sentiment as that is, What the fuck did they do with the movie I waited 15 years to watch? 

Again, if you don't like it just watch the 2003 version but that one isn't that good either but since they failed twice in making a decent movie out of it I doubt they will try again anytime soon.

No, they failed one at making it and forgot they were making a movie the second time. I want an actual attempt by someone who is going to respect the source material.



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Medisti said:
thismeintiel said:

The media?  That's a new one.  It's not accurate anyway.  Sure, they reported on the behind the scenes stuff, but closer to release most of the media was on Disney's side.  And the only things I saw reported about pre-sales of tickets were positive, minus those ones from China.  They were even claiming pre-sales of tickets were ahead of Black Panther.  Most of the media even tried to come up with excuses to explain away it flopping. 

No, Solo's main problem is that the general consensus was that it was a mediocre film, which may have still seen it be a hit, except for one thing.  It released after TLJ.  A film that has many fans saying they are just done with the franchise.  And merch sales are proving that they are in fact done.

The media's attempts to downplay the effect of TLJ is kind of sad, to be honest. Not everyone disliked the film, but enough did to cause an effect. Rian Johnson's attitude and replies certainly didn't help. Remember the reactions most had to the director of that Ghostbusters reboot and his responses?

People also forget that not only were reactions to TLJ mixed, but that whole Battlefront 2 fiasco occurred a month before. It put Star Wars in a bad place in the eyes of its fans.

You would think that Disney would have learned from not only Ghostbusters and/or TLJ.  First of all, SJWs are obviously not a large group.  They are just the loudest, so it seems they are larger than they really are.  So, trying to pander to them is not a financially sound path.  Especially when at the same time you are constantly bashing any real fans of the series that had legit criticisms, labeling them bigots, man-babies, misogynists. 

It's the same thing that happened to Target.  Instead of just remaining silent and handling things on a case by case basis, they tried to appeal to SJWs by publicly announcing anyone could use whatever bathroom they wished to at their stores.  Instead of support from the masses that they expected, they saw their sales and stock drop and had to close a few stores.  Pandering to those groups just never works out.

Azuren said:
Chris Hu said:

Again, if you don't like it just watch the 2003 version but that one isn't that good either but since they failed twice in making a decent movie out of it I doubt they will try again anytime soon.

No, they failed one at making it and forgot they were making a movie the second time. I want an actual attempt by someone who is going to respect the source material.

Wow.  I just looked into that book/film, since I wasn't familar with it.  It looks like is will be losing Disney the same amount that Solo is.  Of course, the media is touting that its the first time a black female has directed a film that cost this much and crossed $100M at the DBO.  So...great, a black woman can make an expensive flop, too. (slow clap)  Always identity politics over success for these people. 

Also, they took a religious book and removed every reference of religion in it for the film.  Instead replacing a tale of basically good vs evil, and making it more about diversity and feminism.  Hmm, wonder why it flopped.  And there's a scene in the book where one of the women turns into a white horse, but in the film they turn her into some plant creature?  Is that supposed to be Vegan messaging, too?  Boy, what a mess.



thismeintiel said:
Medisti said:

The media's attempts to downplay the effect of TLJ is kind of sad, to be honest. Not everyone disliked the film, but enough did to cause an effect. Rian Johnson's attitude and replies certainly didn't help. Remember the reactions most had to the director of that Ghostbusters reboot and his responses?

People also forget that not only were reactions to TLJ mixed, but that whole Battlefront 2 fiasco occurred a month before. It put Star Wars in a bad place in the eyes of its fans.

You would think that Disney would have learned from not only Ghostbusters and/or TLJ.  First of all, SJWs are obviously not a large group.  They are just the loudest, so it seems they are larger than they really are.  So, trying to pander to them is not a financially sound path.  Especially when at the same time you are constantly bashing any real fans of the series that had legit criticisms, labeling them bigots, man-babies, misogynists. 

It's the same thing that happened to Target.  Instead of just remaining silent and handling things on a case by case basis, they tried to appeal to SJWs by publicly announcing anyone could use whatever bathroom they wished to at their stores.  Instead of support from the masses that they expected, they saw their sales and stock drop and had to close a few stores.  Pandering to those groups just never works out.

Azuren said:

No, they failed one at making it and forgot they were making a movie the second time. I want an actual attempt by someone who is going to respect the source material.

Wow.  I just looked into that book/film, since I wasn't familar with it.  It looks like is will be losing Disney the same amount that Solo is.  Of course, the media is touting that its the first time a black female has directed a film that cost this much and crossed $100M at the DBO.  So...great, a black woman can make an expensive flop, too. (slow clap)  Always identity politics over success for these people. 

Also, they took a religious book and removed every reference of religion in it for the film.  Instead replacing a tale of basically good vs evil, and making it more about diversity and feminism.  Hmm, wonder why it flopped.  And there's a scene in the book where one of the women turns into a white horse, but in the film they turn her into some plant creature?  Is that supposed to be Vegan messaging, too?  Boy, what a mess.

Yet they keep on trying over and over again. It just blows my mind with how many examples have been shown as to how appealing to the hardcore social justice crowd is NOT a sound business decision, and in fact often resisting these identity politics actually can yield MORE success from people who are tired of it all, yet more and more companies continue to bleed revenue and standing by constantly trying. I'm starting to think it's more a matter of they are worried about threats and/or backlash from these folks moreso than actually trying to generate a profit.



 

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Yet they keep on trying over and over again. It just blows my mind with how many examples have been shown as to how appealing to the hardcore social justice crowd is NOT a sound business decision, and in fact often resisting these identity politics actually can yield MORE success from people who are tired of it all, yet more and more companies continue to bleed revenue and standing by constantly trying. I'm starting to think it's more a matter of they are worried about threats and/or backlash from these folks moreso than actually trying to generate a profit.

This is a classic example of Agency Theory 

You can usually tell by how many "committees" or "communities" they have within an organization. Many of these niche groups lose sight of the company's business direction (make money) and create their own goals that they as a group want to see implemented. Disney, Google, Target, etc are all very successful companies which means they can afford to have some decay within their organization without it killing their bottom line. They also get virtue points which allows them to attend private and lavish parties without any personal or financial risk. 

While slow at first, decay usually moves exponentially. Google is currently having trouble managing some of their ideological staff, and this has cost them lucrative business opportunities in the defense department. Starbucks shut down their own operations for half a day to please only a portion of their consumer base. In both cases it won't hurt them with share holders now, but slowly it kills them over time as these issues compound. 

For the time being Infinity Wars can make up for the losses from SW and a Wrinkle In time, but that will not always be the case. Unfortunately, most businesses don't see this problem until it is too late, and it is even more difficult to remove these entrenched groups once they have moved in. They will go out kicking and screaming, and leave the company to flip the bill. 

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(Also, I'm new to the forum so hello everyone)

 

 



Azuren said:
Chris Hu said:

Again, if you don't like it just watch the 2003 version but that one isn't that good either but since they failed twice in making a decent movie out of it I doubt they will try again anytime soon.

No, they failed one at making it and forgot they were making a movie the second time. I want an actual attempt by someone who is going to respect the source material.

Pretty much all movies based on books don't stick close to the source material.  On top of that most movies based on books are nowhere near as good as the actual book.  Also there only have been a handful of movies based on books that ended up being better then the actual book two that come to mind are The Godfather and The Shinnig  (1980) but both didn't stick very close to the source material. 



thismeintiel said:
Medisti said:

The media's attempts to downplay the effect of TLJ is kind of sad, to be honest. Not everyone disliked the film, but enough did to cause an effect. Rian Johnson's attitude and replies certainly didn't help. Remember the reactions most had to the director of that Ghostbusters reboot and his responses?

People also forget that not only were reactions to TLJ mixed, but that whole Battlefront 2 fiasco occurred a month before. It put Star Wars in a bad place in the eyes of its fans.

You would think that Disney would have learned from not only Ghostbusters and/or TLJ.  First of all, SJWs are obviously not a large group.  They are just the loudest, so it seems they are larger than they really are.  So, trying to pander to them is not a financially sound path.  Especially when at the same time you are constantly bashing any real fans of the series that had legit criticisms, labeling them bigots, man-babies, misogynists. 

It's the same thing that happened to Target.  Instead of just remaining silent and handling things on a case by case basis, they tried to appeal to SJWs by publicly announcing anyone could use whatever bathroom they wished to at their stores.  Instead of support from the masses that they expected, they saw their sales and stock drop and had to close a few stores.  Pandering to those groups just never works out.

Azuren said:

No, they failed one at making it and forgot they were making a movie the second time. I want an actual attempt by someone who is going to respect the source material.

Wow.  I just looked into that book/film, since I wasn't familar with it.  It looks like is will be losing Disney the same amount that Solo is.  Of course, the media is touting that its the first time a black female has directed a film that cost this much and crossed $100M at the DBO.  So...great, a black woman can make an expensive flop, too. (slow clap)  Always identity politics over success for these people. 

Also, they took a religious book and removed every reference of religion in it for the film.  Instead replacing a tale of basically good vs evil, and making it more about diversity and feminism.  Hmm, wonder why it flopped.  And there's a scene in the book where one of the women turns into a white horse, but in the film they turn her into some plant creature?  Is that supposed to be Vegan messaging, too?  Boy, what a mess.

But  all religions basically are based on myth and legends that involve a battle between good and evil so they really didn't remove the religious references from the movie.  Also there are a ton of movies that aren't considered religious that have numerous religious references.  For example a lot of Martin Scorsese's movies have a lot of religious references.



Hyper_Upgrade said:

Yet they keep on trying over and over again. It just blows my mind with how many examples have been shown as to how appealing to the hardcore social justice crowd is NOT a sound business decision, and in fact often resisting these identity politics actually can yield MORE success from people who are tired of it all, yet more and more companies continue to bleed revenue and standing by constantly trying. I'm starting to think it's more a matter of they are worried about threats and/or backlash from these folks moreso than actually trying to generate a profit.

This is a classic example of Agency Theory 

You can usually tell by how many "committees" or "communities" they have within an organization. Many of these niche groups lose sight of the company's business direction (make money) and create their own goals that they as a group want to see implemented. Disney, Google, Target, etc are all very successful companies which means they can afford to have some decay within their organization without it killing their bottom line. They also get virtue points which allows them to attend private and lavish parties without any personal or financial risk. 

While slow at first, decay usually moves exponentially. Google is currently having trouble managing some of their ideological staff, and this has cost them lucrative business opportunities in the defense department. Starbucks shut down their own operations for half a day to please only a portion of their consumer base. In both cases it won't hurt them with share holders now, but slowly it kills them over time as these issues compound. 

For the time being Infinity Wars can make up for the losses from SW and a Wrinkle In time, but that will not always be the case. Unfortunately, most businesses don't see this problem until it is too late, and it is even more difficult to remove these entrenched groups once they have moved in. They will go out kicking and screaming, and leave the company to flip the bill. 

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(Also, I'm new to the forum so hello everyone)

 

 

Yeah, nope Disney had a lot of other bombs besides Solo and A Wrinkle in Time recently.  Like the Alamo, Mars Needs Moms, John Carter, The Lone Ranger and The Finest Hours just to name a few.  And none of those bombed because of SJW.  As I said before movies pretty much bomb because they are bad not due to some SJW backlash. 



Chris Hu said:
Hyper_Upgrade said:

This is a classic example of Agency Theory 

You can usually tell by how many "committees" or "communities" they have within an organization. Many of these niche groups lose sight of the company's business direction (make money) and create their own goals that they as a group want to see implemented. Disney, Google, Target, etc are all very successful companies which means they can afford to have some decay within their organization without it killing their bottom line. They also get virtue points which allows them to attend private and lavish parties without any personal or financial risk. 

While slow at first, decay usually moves exponentially. Google is currently having trouble managing some of their ideological staff, and this has cost them lucrative business opportunities in the defense department. Starbucks shut down their own operations for half a day to please only a portion of their consumer base. In both cases it won't hurt them with share holders now, but slowly it kills them over time as these issues compound. 

For the time being Infinity Wars can make up for the losses from SW and a Wrinkle In time, but that will not always be the case. Unfortunately, most businesses don't see this problem until it is too late, and it is even more difficult to remove these entrenched groups once they have moved in. They will go out kicking and screaming, and leave the company to flip the bill. 

---

(Also, I'm new to the forum so hello everyone)

 

 

Yeah, nope Disney had a lot of other bombs besides Solo and A Wrinkle in Time recently.  Like the Alamo, Mars Needs Moms, John Carter, The Lone Ranger and The Finest Hours just to name a few.  And none of those bombed because of SJW.  As I said before movies pretty much bomb because they are bad not due to some SJW backlash. 

The SJW crap did hurt A wrinkle in time, no doubt about that. 

 

I never heard about that before, and when it released in theaters I was looking for something to watch so I watched a trailer of it. My thoughts at the end of the trailer were something like "Some SJW black female teenager empowerment TV movie level garbage", and I never paid attention again to this crap. Even if critics said that it was awesome, I would consider it political agenda and never see it.

 

I'm sure I'm not the only one.