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How Much Will Solo Make WW?

Under $700M 56 60.87%
 
$700M-$800M 18 19.57%
 
$801M-$900M 12 13.04%
 
$901M-$1B 3 3.26%
 
Over $1B 3 3.26%
 
Total:92

I hope the movie does good in the end. Solo was good, and especially as a long time Star Wars fan, it felt like Ron Howard accomdated us, which is appreciated.



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This is all Disney's making, part of Solo's terrible BO performance is 1) fan backlash from TLJ & how the franchise is being handled in general, and 2) rushing another "prequel" / origin story out with production issues. I bet if they waited till the holidays to release the film it would have done much better at the BO, but for some reason they insisted on releasing the movie right smack in the middle of a packed summer schedule and a mere 5 months after the last SW film.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

NightDragon83 said:
This is all Disney's making, part of Solo's terrible BO performance is 1) fan backlash from TLJ & how the franchise is being handled in general, and 2) rushing another "prequel" / origin story out with production issues. I bet if they waited till the holidays to release the film it would have done much better at the BO, but for some reason they insisted on releasing the movie right smack in the middle of a packed summer schedule and a mere 5 months after the last SW film.

It's still a dull movie made for Star Wars fanatics, the actual story and character there is not very interesting. I think it probably would've done better had it released this Christmas, but not *that* much better. 

Star Wars works as a giant space opera with multiple characters when it's spaced out 2-3 years apart. 

Star Wars doesn't work as a yearly franchise, it doesn't have enough appeal to non-nerds. 



They should've released this movie in December. The Last Jedi was divisive and by then people would've at least given it a chance in a not so crowded time.



Soundwave said:
Trunkin said:
Probably happened because the film looks kinda shit. I don't even have any plans to watch it when it comes to blu-ray.

The film is kinda shit. It's dull pandering that only a hardcore Star Wars nerd would enjoy, otherwise the story is flat and there's virtually zero character development for anyone. 

Bollocks. I'm hardly a Star Wars fan, yet I thought the movie was enjoyable enough. There might not be character progression at all, but some of the guys they present are entertaining to watch, mainly Solo himself, Lando, Beckett and Revolutionary L3. Plenty of dialogues are very cliché and other situations are kind of embarrassingly hilarious, but hey, the whole package still works. You also have some ok action set pieces, but sometimes you can't tell what's exactly going on because the shots are weird, and others are cliché as well (Chewy getting almost smacked by the mountain and Solo rescuing him just at the right time, come on, guys...).

The film isn't great, but it does fall under the realm of 'alright' in my view. At least it didn't felt as super meh as The Force Awakens did. 



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Azuren said:
Carl said:

I think it's more than okay to make fun of a portion of the fanbase if said portion are bigoted idiots.

However, from the above Twitter thread he's still working for them and writing a Darth Vader comic, so you'd expect someone at Disney to slap his wrists for the drama.

Except there are a number of unbigoted reasons to strongly dislike how Star Wars has been handled of late.

Yeah, like a garbage screenplay and script AKA TLJ.



NightlyPoe said:
thismeintiel said:

And your folly is thinking that no one outside the US can agree with "our politics."  There are people of all political bents across the world.  Just accept it. 

As for the kneeling, it must have had more of an impact than that if the NFL is now outright saying they will no longer allow it.  The drop in audience and merch sales must have been enough that they feared what would happen if they continued to allow it to happen.  The thing is the NFL is a BIG part of people's lives.  Many weren't just going to drop it, even if it the disliked the kneeling.  The fact that 10% just left is pretty shocking.  And the NFL knew more would leave this year if they allowed it to continue.

But, hey, you can continue to think the SJWs make up the vast majority of the US/world if that helps.  And ignore that even self-described Liberals are pissed that this stuff is being forced into SW.

1.  Did I say no one outside the US can agree with our politics?  No I did not.  I said the politics of other countries are different.  I not only accept that people across the world have different political bents, I stated as much.  You're the one that seems to be having difficulty with the ramifications of that concept.

Namely, that cross-cultural reactions to an American controversy will naturally be more muted.

2.  Are you under the impression that I'm minimizing the NFL's trouble with the kneeling controversy?  I am not.  A 10% drop in viewership is very bad.  My point was that in this perfect storm of controversy the NFL lost roughly 1/6 the share of viewers that Solo did off of Rogue One.  Which had the bigger controversy, the NFL or Star Wars?  The answer if obvious, the NFL's headache.  So if a bigger controversy resulted in a much smaller loss of audience, logic dictates that other factors played a greater role.

3.  I've been a Republican all my life.  I don't think SJWs make up the vast majority of anything except the most obnoxious groups in a few universities and have never said so.  But I simultaneously don't believe the people complaining about SJWs and boycotting Star Wars make up the vast majority of anything either, a claim that you HAVE made.  Most audience members would be just as confused by your complaints about the SJWs in Star Wars as they were about Darth Maul suddenly showing up in Solo.

Darc Requiem said:

Solo is on pace to make less than half of Rogue One. TLJ grosses 75% of their estimates. It was expected to make 1.8 billion. It made 1.33 billion. I'm not going to say that Solo's lack of success is entirely due fans boycotting the film. There are other factors like stiffer competition like Deadpool2 and Avenger Infinity War. However fan dissatisfaction and Lucasfilms response to are clear a major factor. Rogue One was a side story full of a bunch of characters no one every heard of. It made over a billion at the box office. Solo is a movie starring Han Solo, Chewie, and Lando. It's not even going to hit 500 million dollars.

Where did you pull that $1.8 billion figure from?

Anyway, yes, Solo is doing poorly.  However, there's nothing to really base that it is more than a fraction of the reason for the performance.  And the rolling out of the stars means nothing since it was a film even the biggest fans had doubts about from the moment it was announced.  That early skepticism likely had a lot more to do with the current difficulties.  Rogue One, on the other hand, had fairly positive buzz from the beginning.

1. SW is a WW brand.  The SJW/SW controversy is not just restricted to the US.  It is felt throughout the world, where, just so you know, they do have the internet, now.  Of course, I do accept that there are those who don't feel like that.  I mean, it's not like the film made $0, right?

2.  Actually, I would say that the SW controversy is larger, namely due to how those in charge reacted.  Like I said, the NFL is a huge part of some people's lives.  It would be very hard to just give up on it over the kneeling thing.  Of course, if the NFL's official stance for those who opposed the kneeling was that they were racist, incel bigots who only have a problem with it because the players are black, and they don't care about your money, you can guaran-damn-tee that the drop off would have been larger than just 10%.  The NFL also realizes that if they allow it to continue, it will start making that 10% grow this coming season.  Disney doesn't seem to be learning anything, yet, even after a much lower turnout for TLJ than they expected and an actual flop.  I think it will take Ep 9 doing even less than TLJ before we see any action.

3. I never claimed that those who 100% agree with my beliefs make up the vast majority.  I have just stated the fact that those that agree that pushing political agendas is screwing up SW makes up a far larger part of the group than many on here, and at Disney/Lucasfilm, want to accept.  When you have people on the Left, who would probably disagree with 70%-80% of what us on the Right believe, yet we can all come together to say that SJWs are ruining SW, you have a very large group.

NightDragon83 said:
This is all Disney's making, part of Solo's terrible BO performance is 1) fan backlash from TLJ & how the franchise is being handled in general, and 2) rushing another "prequel" / origin story out with production issues. I bet if they waited till the holidays to release the film it would have done much better at the BO, but for some reason they insisted on releasing the movie right smack in the middle of a packed summer schedule and a mere 5 months after the last SW film.

I doubt waiting would have helped.  It probably would have just led to more backlash as the pansexual Lando and SJW bot got pushed even harder by those in charge.  With more added name calling for those who disagreed. 

The schedule had little to do with it, either.  POTC:ATW did much better and it had just as much competition as Solo.  It was Shrek 2's 2nd week, where it performed better than DP2's 2nd week.  And Spider-Man 3's 4th week, where it performed just under IW's 4th week.  It also had a better hold the following week, and it had the added competition of the newly released Knocked Up, where Solo has nothing big releasing this week.  Coincidentally, next week Solo has to go up against the same competition that AWE did.  An Ocean's 11 sequel.  AWE was able to pull off $21.14M that weekend.  Something tells me Solo is going to be more like $15M. Maybe lower.



thismeintiel said:

1. SW is a WW brand.  The SJW/SW controversy is not just restricted to the US.  It is felt throughout the world, where, just so you know, they do have the internet, now.  Of course, I do accept that there are those who don't feel like that.  I mean, it's not like the film made $0, right?

2.  Actually, I would say that the SW controversy is larger, namely due to how those in charge reacted.  Like I said, the NFL is a huge part of some people's lives.  It would be very hard to just give up on it over the kneeling thing.  Of course, if the NFL's official stance for those who opposed the kneeling was that they were racist, incel bigots who only have a problem with it because the players are black, and they don't care about your money, you can guaran-damn-tee that the drop off would have been larger than just 10%.  The NFL also realizes that if they allow it to continue, it will start making that 10% grow this coming season.  Disney doesn't seem to be learning anything, yet, even after a much lower turnout for TLJ than they expected and an actual flop.  I think it will take Ep 9 doing even less than TLJ before we see any action.

3. I never claimed that those who 100% agree with my beliefs make up the vast majority.  I have just stated the fact that those that agree that pushing political agendas is screwing up SW makes up a far larger part of the group than many on here, and at Disney/Lucasfilm, want to accept.  When you have people on the Left, who would probably disagree with 70%-80% of what us on the Right believe, yet we can all come together to say that SJWs are ruining SW, you have a very large group.

I doubt waiting would have helped.  It probably would have just led to more backlash as the pansexual Lando and SJW bot got pushed even harder by those in charge.  With more added name calling for those who disagreed. 

The schedule had little to do with it, either.  POTC:ATW did much better and it had just as much competition as Solo.  It was Shrek 2's 2nd week, where it performed better than DP2's 2nd week.  And Spider-Man 3's 4th week, where it performed just under IW's 4th week.  It also had a better hold the following week, and it had the added competition of the newly released Knocked Up, where Solo has nothing big releasing this week.  Coincidentally, next week Solo has to go up against the same competition that AWE did.  An Ocean's 11 sequel.  AWE was able to pull off $21.14M that weekend.  Something tells me Solo is going to be more like $15M. Maybe lower.

The whole "SJW is ruining Star Wars" is blown completely out of proportion by a minute part of the fanbase. If you look for SJW messages in Solo, you're really grasping at straws.



WolfpackN64 said:
thismeintiel said:

1. SW is a WW brand.  The SJW/SW controversy is not just restricted to the US.  It is felt throughout the world, where, just so you know, they do have the internet, now.  Of course, I do accept that there are those who don't feel like that.  I mean, it's not like the film made $0, right?

2.  Actually, I would say that the SW controversy is larger, namely due to how those in charge reacted.  Like I said, the NFL is a huge part of some people's lives.  It would be very hard to just give up on it over the kneeling thing.  Of course, if the NFL's official stance for those who opposed the kneeling was that they were racist, incel bigots who only have a problem with it because the players are black, and they don't care about your money, you can guaran-damn-tee that the drop off would have been larger than just 10%.  The NFL also realizes that if they allow it to continue, it will start making that 10% grow this coming season.  Disney doesn't seem to be learning anything, yet, even after a much lower turnout for TLJ than they expected and an actual flop.  I think it will take Ep 9 doing even less than TLJ before we see any action.

3. I never claimed that those who 100% agree with my beliefs make up the vast majority.  I have just stated the fact that those that agree that pushing political agendas is screwing up SW makes up a far larger part of the group than many on here, and at Disney/Lucasfilm, want to accept.  When you have people on the Left, who would probably disagree with 70%-80% of what us on the Right believe, yet we can all come together to say that SJWs are ruining SW, you have a very large group.

I doubt waiting would have helped.  It probably would have just led to more backlash as the pansexual Lando and SJW bot got pushed even harder by those in charge.  With more added name calling for those who disagreed. 

The schedule had little to do with it, either.  POTC:ATW did much better and it had just as much competition as Solo.  It was Shrek 2's 2nd week, where it performed better than DP2's 2nd week.  And Spider-Man 3's 4th week, where it performed just under IW's 4th week.  It also had a better hold the following week, and it had the added competition of the newly released Knocked Up, where Solo has nothing big releasing this week.  Coincidentally, next week Solo has to go up against the same competition that AWE did.  An Ocean's 11 sequel.  AWE was able to pull off $21.14M that weekend.  Something tells me Solo is going to be more like $15M. Maybe lower.

The whole "SJW is ruining Star Wars" is blown completely out of proportion by a minute part of the fanbase. If you look for SJW messages in Solo, you're really grasping at straws.

Well, I guess just let them keep pushing those messages, either in the films or on social media, and and we'll see if it recovers.  I wouldn't hold my breathe for that, if I were you.



thismeintiel said:
WolfpackN64 said:

The whole "SJW is ruining Star Wars" is blown completely out of proportion by a minute part of the fanbase. If you look for SJW messages in Solo, you're really grasping at straws.

Well, I guess just let them keep pushing those messages, either in the films or on social media, and and we'll see if it recovers.  I wouldn't hold my breathe for that, if I were you.

Recover from what? Being a multi-billion dollar franchise?