Faelco said:
tripenfall said:
I'm talking about all the people who somehow feel threatened because TLJ has a female lead, a "bad guy" that isn't super masculine, an Asian character in a lead role in a Star Wars movie for the first time who has a kiss with a black man. It blows my mind that we have to talk about this but for thousands of people this seemed to be the reason they hated the movie.
These are the same people (in this thread there's a few) who won't even watch Solo because Lando is a pan sexual. WTF? I've seen it twice and if there's a scene where that occurs I must have missed it. The movie goes to great lengths to describe him as a ladies man - think for yourselves people. The part where the droid talks about liking him is a scene to try and reinforce the fact droids were self aware and thinking for themselves....a trope used in countless shows like Westworld or movies like Terminator.
I'm not saying you should like this movie - but RELAX it's a movie. This xenophobia that runs rampant on these sites is a disgrace....
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Hum... The only real difference in the cast between TFA and TLJ is the terrible Asian character. The female lead and black character were in TFA, and Finn even had a far more important role.
And yet, TFA didn't have the backlash that TLJ got. You are really oversimplying the criticism. You surely have a few racists and sexists sometimes, but if TLJ is disliked, it's because it's a bad movie above any other reason.
For Solo, for me it's because TLJ showed me that Disney don't know what they're doing and where they're going with Star Wars, so I won't go see another SW movie, except if one of them get stellar critics. And I'm bothered by the "pando" too, because when I'm wondering if I should go see a movie and read quotes from the writer, I want to read "I wrote a great story, with well developed and likable characters, an engaging plot and breathtaking twists", not "I made one of my characters pansexual, it's awesome". Their communication is completely unrelated to my interests, so it doesn't interest me. Or at least it doesn't make me interested, since I already wasn't very interested before.
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This x1000. I see a real problem in the fact that the side that supposedly likes TLJ can't really point out to anything actually great about the film (well, other than visuals) or will never take the time to explain glaring plot holes, or massive holes in logic, if you prefer, instead resorting to saying that the vast majority of the people who disliked TLJ are all just bigots. It's almost seems like it's become a case of virtue signalling to say you like the film.
As you said, TFA did not receive this kind of backlash, yet basically had the exact same cast. The most it got was people saying it was a clone of ANH and Rey was a Mary Sue. The latter of which many excused because TLJ would reveal why she is so connected with the Force she doesn't even need to be trained to become the most powerful Force user ever. Or , if we are being generous, on par with Kylo, who had to train for at least a decade.
Sadly for them, TLJ did no such thing, cementing her as a Mary Sue. In fact, because they were pursuing their SJW ideology, they didn't even have Luke train her, like many were hoping to see. Instead, she basically trains herself by swinging the lightsaber around for 5 secs, cause she is a strong, independent woeman who needs no man. She's so virtuous that she immediately sees the Dark Side, but is not tempted by it at all, unlike almost every character we have followed before. And when given the option for a little moral ambiguity in joining Kylo and creating a 3rd side, which actually would have been interesting, nope, she has to stay on the 100% good side. And Rose is hated, not because she is Asian, but because she is a horrible character. I mean, it doesn't help that her being Asian was obviously a quota thing Disney did to try to appeal to China, which failed. But, if she had actually been a good character, no one would have cared. Instead, we get one, who in the writer/director's own words, "doesn't feel like she belongs in the SW universe." Hate is also leveled at her for stopping Finn from sacrificing himself to save others. Even saying it was the wrong thing to do, even though Holdo does it and its looked at like it is supposed to be some grand sacrifice for the greater good. Why? Because a woman did it? Great job, Rian. Great job.
Solo has the misfortune of not only coming after that piece of garbage film, that turned off a huge number of fans, but they also decided to pump their own SJW ideology into this film, as well. They have a SJW robot. And while the pansexual stuff apparently isn't pushed too much in the film, the writer and actor made sure to push it on social media and interviews. People are just tired of the SW universe being used as some SJW's soap box to push their agenda, while concentrating on making a film second. If anything, this is good for Lucas. Cause while the prequels weren't good, people are starting to look more fondly on them, now. And, hey, none of them flopped.