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How Much Will Solo Make WW?

Under $700M 56 60.87%
 
$700M-$800M 18 19.57%
 
$801M-$900M 12 13.04%
 
$901M-$1B 3 3.26%
 
Over $1B 3 3.26%
 
Total:92
tripenfall said:
Faelco said:

Uproar because of an Asian girl? What are you talking about? 

 

I didn't dislike TLJ while watching it. But the more I thought about it afterward, the more it made me cringe. They could have made a good movie with it. But they took only bad decisions at the critical moments. 

 

Carrie Fisher is dead? Well, here is a great scene of her son refusing to kill her and seeing her killed by someone else. Nice hommage to the actress, nice character development moment for Kylo. Nope, the Force allows you to fly in space, how cool is that!.... Ridiculous. 

 

2 characters escape the rebels/empire war and could show us new protagonists and another perspective? Nope, rich people are bad and let's save some horses! 

 

Kylo kills Snoke and his guards and shows some great character development, he's going to the light, great! Nope, nevermind, let's bring him back to the monominded villain. And let's forget the entire backstory of Snoke and the Order while we're at it. 

 

Remember our bad ass female Stormtrooper captain that everyone thought was underused in the last movie? She's back! Oh, she's dead now. Nevermind.

 

One of the heroes who's been treated like a piece of sh*t during the entire movie finally has the opportunity to do something cool and has a plan to save everyone! Oh, no, he's definitely a POS who should have guessed that the woman in charge, who appeared out of nowhere by the way, already planned everything and was going to save everyone. Oh, and she's going to destroy an entire fleet by sacrificing only her own life, no rebel ever thought of that before, too bad!

 

Finn has a golden opportunity to sacrifice himself too and conclude in a great way his character arc, saving the rebels from his former comrades. Nope, the entirely shoehorned love interest will save him with some 5 years old "Killing is bad, saving is love" philosophy. Let's forget that the entire saga is about people fighting to the death for their beliefs. Hollywood obligatory love scene. And they're going to survive just the 2 of them in the middle of the battleground by the way, easy!

 

And while we're brainstorming on drugs about what the Force can do, let's make an illusion of Luke save everyone (because the First Order doesn't have any sensors able to see through an illusion, and Kylo can't sense sh*t). Oh, and the illusion will kill Luke afterward for some reason. Classy and heroic way to end the story of the most iconic and popular character of the saga.

 

You want to know what you should expect in the future? An unknown kid nobody cares about can move a broom with his mind! How crazy! Reserve your Star Wars IX tickets now to know what will happen to him!

 

I obviously forgot other things. Yep, you're right, the female Asian character (who is a terrible character for every reason other than her race) is the main reason people dislike the movie. 

I'm talking about all the people who somehow feel threatened because TLJ has a female lead, a "bad guy" that isn't super masculine, an Asian character in a lead role in a Star Wars movie for the first time who has a kiss with a black man. It blows my mind that we have to talk about this but for thousands of people this seemed to be the reason they hated the movie.

These are the same people (in this thread there's a few) who won't even watch Solo because Lando is a pan sexual. WTF? I've seen it twice and if there's a scene where that occurs I must have missed it. The movie goes to great lengths to describe him as a ladies man - think for yourselves people. The part where the droid talks about liking him is a scene to try and reinforce the fact droids were self aware and thinking for themselves....a trope used in countless shows like Westworld or movies like Terminator.

I'm not saying you should like this movie - but RELAX it's a movie. This xenophobia that runs rampant on these sites is a disgrace....

Hum... The only real difference in the cast between TFA and TLJ is the terrible Asian character. The female lead and black character were in TFA, and Finn even had a far more important role. 

 

And yet, TFA didn't have the backlash that TLJ got. You are really oversimplying the criticism. You surely have a few racists and sexists sometimes, but if TLJ is disliked, it's because it's a bad movie above any other reason. 

 

For Solo, for me it's because TLJ showed me that Disney don't know what they're doing and where they're going with Star Wars, so I won't go see another SW movie, except if one of them get stellar critics. And I'm bothered by the "pando" too, because when I'm wondering if I should go see a movie and read quotes from the writer, I want to read "I wrote a great story, with well developed and likable characters, an engaging plot and breathtaking twists", not "I made one of my characters pansexual, it's awesome". Their communication is completely unrelated to my interests, so it doesn't interest me. Or at least it doesn't make me interested, since I already wasn't very interested before. 



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Faelco said:
tripenfall said:

I'm talking about all the people who somehow feel threatened because TLJ has a female lead, a "bad guy" that isn't super masculine, an Asian character in a lead role in a Star Wars movie for the first time who has a kiss with a black man. It blows my mind that we have to talk about this but for thousands of people this seemed to be the reason they hated the movie.

These are the same people (in this thread there's a few) who won't even watch Solo because Lando is a pan sexual. WTF? I've seen it twice and if there's a scene where that occurs I must have missed it. The movie goes to great lengths to describe him as a ladies man - think for yourselves people. The part where the droid talks about liking him is a scene to try and reinforce the fact droids were self aware and thinking for themselves....a trope used in countless shows like Westworld or movies like Terminator.

I'm not saying you should like this movie - but RELAX it's a movie. This xenophobia that runs rampant on these sites is a disgrace....

Hum... The only real difference in the cast between TFA and TLJ is the terrible Asian character. The female lead and black character were in TFA, and Finn even had a far more important role. 

 

And yet, TFA didn't have the backlash that TLJ got. You are really oversimplying the criticism. You surely have a few racists and sexists sometimes, but if TLJ is disliked, it's because it's a bad movie above any other reason. 

 

For Solo, for me it's because TLJ showed me that Disney don't know what they're doing and where they're going with Star Wars, so I won't go see another SW movie, except if one of them get stellar critics. And I'm bothered by the "pando" too, because when I'm wondering if I should go see a movie and read quotes from the writer, I want to read "I wrote a great story, with well developed and likable characters, an engaging plot and breathtaking twists", not "I made one of my characters pansexual, it's awesome". Their communication is completely unrelated to my interests, so it doesn't interest me. Or at least it doesn't make me interested, since I already wasn't very interested before. 

This x1000.  I see a real problem in the fact that the side that supposedly likes TLJ can't really point out to anything actually great about the film (well, other than visuals) or will never take the time to explain glaring plot holes, or massive holes in logic, if you prefer, instead resorting to saying that the vast majority of the people who disliked TLJ are all just bigots. It's almost seems like it's become a case of virtue signalling to say you like the film.

As you said, TFA did not receive this kind of backlash, yet basically had the exact same cast.  The most it got was people saying it was a clone of ANH and Rey was a Mary Sue.  The latter of which many excused because TLJ would reveal why she is so connected with the Force she doesn't even need to be trained to become the most powerful Force user ever.  Or , if we are being generous, on par with Kylo, who had to train for at least a decade. 

Sadly for them, TLJ did no such thing, cementing her as a Mary Sue.  In fact, because they were pursuing their SJW ideology, they didn't even have Luke train her, like many were hoping to see.  Instead, she basically trains herself by swinging the lightsaber around for 5 secs, cause she is a strong, independent woeman who needs no man.  She's so virtuous that she immediately sees the Dark Side, but is not tempted by it at all, unlike almost every character we have followed before.  And when given the option for a little moral ambiguity in joining Kylo and creating a 3rd side, which actually would have been interesting, nope, she has to stay on the 100% good side.  And Rose is hated, not because she is Asian, but because she is a horrible character.  I mean, it doesn't help that her being Asian was obviously a quota thing Disney did to try to appeal to China, which failed.  But, if she had actually been a good character, no one would have cared.  Instead, we get one, who in the writer/director's own words, "doesn't feel like she belongs in the SW universe."  Hate is also leveled at her for stopping Finn from sacrificing himself to save others.  Even saying it was the wrong thing to do, even though Holdo does it and its looked at like it is supposed to be some grand sacrifice for the greater good.  Why?  Because a woman did it?  Great job, Rian.  Great job.

Solo has the misfortune of not only coming after that piece of garbage film, that turned off a huge number of fans, but they also decided to pump their own SJW ideology into this film, as well.  They have a SJW robot.  And while the pansexual stuff apparently isn't pushed too much in the film, the writer and actor made sure to push it on social media and interviews.  People are just tired of the SW universe being used as some SJW's soap box to push their agenda, while concentrating on making a film second.  If anything, this is good for Lucas.  Cause while the prequels weren't good, people are starting to look more fondly on them, now.  And, hey, none of them flopped.



tripenfall said:
Faelco said:

Uproar because of an Asian girl? What are you talking about? 

 

I didn't dislike TLJ while watching it. But the more I thought about it afterward, the more it made me cringe. They could have made a good movie with it. But they took only bad decisions at the critical moments. 

 

Carrie Fisher is dead? Well, here is a great scene of her son refusing to kill her and seeing her killed by someone else. Nice hommage to the actress, nice character development moment for Kylo. Nope, the Force allows you to fly in space, how cool is that!.... Ridiculous. 

 

2 characters escape the rebels/empire war and could show us new protagonists and another perspective? Nope, rich people are bad and let's save some horses! 

 

Kylo kills Snoke and his guards and shows some great character development, he's going to the light, great! Nope, nevermind, let's bring him back to the monominded villain. And let's forget the entire backstory of Snoke and the Order while we're at it. 

 

Remember our bad ass female Stormtrooper captain that everyone thought was underused in the last movie? She's back! Oh, she's dead now. Nevermind.

 

One of the heroes who's been treated like a piece of sh*t during the entire movie finally has the opportunity to do something cool and has a plan to save everyone! Oh, no, he's definitely a POS who should have guessed that the woman in charge, who appeared out of nowhere by the way, already planned everything and was going to save everyone. Oh, and she's going to destroy an entire fleet by sacrificing only her own life, no rebel ever thought of that before, too bad!

 

Finn has a golden opportunity to sacrifice himself too and conclude in a great way his character arc, saving the rebels from his former comrades. Nope, the entirely shoehorned love interest will save him with some 5 years old "Killing is bad, saving is love" philosophy. Let's forget that the entire saga is about people fighting to the death for their beliefs. Hollywood obligatory love scene. And they're going to survive just the 2 of them in the middle of the battleground by the way, easy!

 

And while we're brainstorming on drugs about what the Force can do, let's make an illusion of Luke save everyone (because the First Order doesn't have any sensors able to see through an illusion, and Kylo can't sense sh*t). Oh, and the illusion will kill Luke afterward for some reason. Classy and heroic way to end the story of the most iconic and popular character of the saga.

 

You want to know what you should expect in the future? An unknown kid nobody cares about can move a broom with his mind! How crazy! Reserve your Star Wars IX tickets now to know what will happen to him!

 

I obviously forgot other things. Yep, you're right, the female Asian character (who is a terrible character for every reason other than her race) is the main reason people dislike the movie. 

I'm talking about all the people who somehow feel threatened because TLJ has a female lead, a "bad guy" that isn't super masculine, an Asian character in a lead role in a Star Wars movie for the first time who has a kiss with a black man. It blows my mind that we have to talk about this but for thousands of people this seemed to be the reason they hated the movie.

These are the same people (in this thread there's a few) who won't even watch Solo because Lando is a pan sexual. WTF? I've seen it twice and if there's a scene where that occurs I must have missed it. The movie goes to great lengths to describe him as a ladies man - think for yourselves people. The part where the droid talks about liking him is a scene to try and reinforce the fact droids were self aware and thinking for themselves....a trope used in countless shows like Westworld or movies like Terminator.

I'm not saying you should like this movie - but RELAX it's a movie. This xenophobia that runs rampant on these sites is a disgrace....

You do realize you're probably talking about like 100 people total. Just a small group of actual bigots who have a loud voice on the internet. It's not exclusive to Star Wars either, they will complain and "boycott" other movies. Ignore those 100 people. It's people like you and the media talking about them that are giving them essentially a voice. Ignore them.

99.9% of bashing of the movie is always about the plot, ruining characters, pointless scenes, forced comedy, ect. 99% of the other side of the argument is what you are doing. Calling us bigots and saying we are racists for thinking that 'asian' character sucked ass. We don't give a shit she was Asian. She could have been any race or sex, her character and its arc still sucked ass.

I see people complain all the time about the saving Finn by that 'asian' character (just saying Asian character as it would annoy you and also can't recal her name) during his sacrifice. Yes the whole saving him for love and what not was cringey, but what annoyed me more was the fact that she could save him. From what I recal in the scene, Finn drives straight the entire time at full speed. The others all veered off. So how did she catch up enough to ram him perpendicular? Okay, so I guess he was slowed down by the ramming beam for her to catch up. But then why the heck didn't he get shot down. The empire was like amazing at its accuracy just earlier shooting them down left and right, but then when its just one left and he is in a beeline towards obviously your important item, not only do they never hit him, I don't even think they shoot at him. But let's ignore all that again. Finn and the 'asian' crash and then on foot run all the way to the freaking bunker before these AT'AT's can get close. Like seriously, each step of the AT-AT should cover like 30 yards or more. And I guess the empire again just ignores two people running across and open desert for safety.

I'm going to just stop there for now. I could continue to talk about that ONE scene. The point is, there are many many scenes in the movie that we can spend paragraphs after paragraphs bringing out flaws, stupid things, horrible moments, ect in regards to that movie. Then after our Rant you will come in and say "you're racists for not liking the Asian."



For the record, i hated TFA more than anything. That was the movie that ruined the franchise. TLJ was just the natural progression of it.

Rogue one was actually good though.

The reason why Disney Star wars is bad, is not the social justice talk, it's the complete disrespect of the source material and the fans. Supposed to swallow whatever new setting and events hardly connected or making sense from the previous movies. On top of that, lets completely change existing characters personalities and add no-one characters. Oh lets burn everything from the past as well, because the new Star Wars can afford to be arrogant.

They are just bad movies. The story sucks. They do not feel like Star wars, and the only way to recover is to reboot it. This mess isn't salvageable.

Last edited by Nem - on 31 May 2018

Nem said:
For the record, i hated TFA more than anything. That was the movie that ruined the franchise. TLJ was that the natural progression of it.

Rogue one was actually good though.

The reason why Disney Star wars is bad, is not the social justice talk, it's the complete disrespect of the source material and the fans. Supposed to swallow whatever new setting and events hardly connected or making sense from the previous movies. On top of that, lets completely change existing characters personalities and add no-one characters. Oh lets burn everything from the past as well, because the new Star Wars can afford to be arrogant.

They are just bad movies. The story sucks. They do not feel like Star wars, and the only way to recover is to reboot it. This mess isn't salvageable.

I agree. Take a break. Reassess. Come back with something original that has nothing to do with the first 6 movies. Hell, make it take place in a completely different galaxy and have a different fraction of force users besides sith and jedi. 



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tripenfall said:
Faelco said:

Uproar because of an Asian girl? What are you talking about? 

 

I didn't dislike TLJ while watching it. But the more I thought about it afterward, the more it made me cringe. They could have made a good movie with it. But they took only bad decisions at the critical moments. 

 

Carrie Fisher is dead? Well, here is a great scene of her son refusing to kill her and seeing her killed by someone else. Nice hommage to the actress, nice character development moment for Kylo. Nope, the Force allows you to fly in space, how cool is that!.... Ridiculous. 

 

2 characters escape the rebels/empire war and could show us new protagonists and another perspective? Nope, rich people are bad and let's save some horses! 

 

Kylo kills Snoke and his guards and shows some great character development, he's going to the light, great! Nope, nevermind, let's bring him back to the monominded villain. And let's forget the entire backstory of Snoke and the Order while we're at it. 

 

Remember our bad ass female Stormtrooper captain that everyone thought was underused in the last movie? She's back! Oh, she's dead now. Nevermind.

 

One of the heroes who's been treated like a piece of sh*t during the entire movie finally has the opportunity to do something cool and has a plan to save everyone! Oh, no, he's definitely a POS who should have guessed that the woman in charge, who appeared out of nowhere by the way, already planned everything and was going to save everyone. Oh, and she's going to destroy an entire fleet by sacrificing only her own life, no rebel ever thought of that before, too bad!

 

Finn has a golden opportunity to sacrifice himself too and conclude in a great way his character arc, saving the rebels from his former comrades. Nope, the entirely shoehorned love interest will save him with some 5 years old "Killing is bad, saving is love" philosophy. Let's forget that the entire saga is about people fighting to the death for their beliefs. Hollywood obligatory love scene. And they're going to survive just the 2 of them in the middle of the battleground by the way, easy!

 

And while we're brainstorming on drugs about what the Force can do, let's make an illusion of Luke save everyone (because the First Order doesn't have any sensors able to see through an illusion, and Kylo can't sense sh*t). Oh, and the illusion will kill Luke afterward for some reason. Classy and heroic way to end the story of the most iconic and popular character of the saga.

 

You want to know what you should expect in the future? An unknown kid nobody cares about can move a broom with his mind! How crazy! Reserve your Star Wars IX tickets now to know what will happen to him!

 

I obviously forgot other things. Yep, you're right, the female Asian character (who is a terrible character for every reason other than her race) is the main reason people dislike the movie. 

I'm talking about all the people who somehow feel threatened because TLJ has a female lead, a "bad guy" that isn't super masculine, an Asian character in a lead role in a Star Wars movie for the first time who has a kiss with a black man. It blows my mind that we have to talk about this but for thousands of people this seemed to be the reason they hated the movie.

These are the same people (in this thread there's a few) who won't even watch Solo because Lando is a pan sexual. WTF? I've seen it twice and if there's a scene where that occurs I must have missed it. The movie goes to great lengths to describe him as a ladies man - think for yourselves people. The part where the droid talks about liking him is a scene to try and reinforce the fact droids were self aware and thinking for themselves....a trope used in countless shows like Westworld or movies like Terminator.

I'm not saying you should like this movie - but RELAX it's a movie. This xenophobia that runs rampant on these sites is a disgrace....

The Last Jedi has plenty of things horribly wrong with it that have nothing to do with race or gender.  I've mentioned them previously in this thread. 

I saw Solo over the weekend and I rather enjoyed it.  I could have done without L3 personally.  Her voice reminded me too much of Cate Blanchett (not because she's a woman, but just because Cate Blanchett annoys me in general).  Some of her dialogue tried to inject personality into her character, but came off as unnecessarily forced humor.  "I can't perform with you looking at me" while cutting her way into through the lock/fence.  It seems weird though to have that tremendous build-up of the Lando's attachment to L3, then dump her consciousness into the Millenium Falcon navicomputer, and Lando just gives the Falcon over to Han just like that?  Yeah, Lando got caught cheating, but now it's not just losing a ship, it should mean a great deal more to Lando on a personal level now that L3's consciousness is inside it.



I do agree that it’s pretty hard to see these new film as part of the canon that’s Episodes I-VI because the overarching story doesn’t really fit after VI. Again this is where Rogue One does things right because that one fits seemlessly with IV. The old Expanded Universe did a better job at portraying what happens after the Empire fell.



The Last Jedi was so hilariously bad that I want Disney to fail with all of the Star Wars movies.



The best thing Disney can do is move past the OT films. Do something set 200 years in the future with completely new characters, completely different conflicts, where you don't have to keep going back to old, tired plots or risk offending fanboys because you didn't do character XYZ justice.

Also the Obi-Wan and Boba Fett movies should be cancelled or at least put on hold for several years. These characters are not interesting or charismatic enough to carry a full movie and are limited in what you can do with them based on the film canon. Too many Star Wars movies oversaturates the brand too much. Finish IX and then focus on a new trilogy that has nothing to do with the OT/PT era, move forward several hundred years in a new part of the galaxy.



Nem said:

For the record, i hated TFA more than anything. That was the movie that ruined the franchise. TLJ was just the natural progression of it.

Rogue one was actually good though.

The reason why Disney Star wars is bad, is not the social justice talk, it's the complete disrespect of the source material and the fans. Supposed to swallow whatever new setting and events hardly connected or making sense from the previous movies. On top of that, lets completely change existing characters personalities and add no-one characters. Oh lets burn everything from the past as well, because the new Star Wars can afford to be arrogant.

They are just bad movies. The story sucks. They do not feel like Star wars, and the only way to recover is to reboot it. This mess isn't salvageable.

Oh, right, Rogue One ! 

 

The movie with a squad of Asian guys, an Arab guy, and a female lead raised by a black handicapped man. And basically all white guys are the villains or assholes. And everyone likes that movie. Sure, we hate TLJ because we're racists...