I'm pretty sure that's a fact.

You can very well enjoy TLJ, if you're just looking for a visual spectacle, and some cheap laughs. There was still some pacing issues, but ok, if you enjoyed it overall for those things….that's cool. You had a good time. Good for you. To say it was even remotely well written though…..I'm gonna have to look at you sideways.

Wouldn't say it was convoluted though, in fact, I'd say it was ridiculously basic. Like they could have maybe even gotten around the stupidity of certain plot elements if they'd bothered to convolute the shit out them lol

If he ends up watching a pirated version, fair enough, but considering how much he railed on people pirating video games it'd be pretty ironic.

The plot wasn't convoluted, but the screenwriting was, to facilitate the gotcha moments. It just didn't make sense to introduce so many...pointless plot elements. There's a good 30 minutes to 1 hour of casino nonsense that was just unnecessary. As far as actual convolutions in the plot are concerned, though, what was the point of keeping Poe in the dark? Also, how did the codebreaker know Holdo's secret plan, if the only reason he met Finn and Rose was that they didn't know it (because Poe didn't know it.). It would have been better, if it had been completely excised: just bad, bad, bad. Maybe that's not convoluted and just plan stupid and illogical, like the great Rey identity non-answer. 

What really killed me was the ending and how wholly unnecessary it was, all to facilitate several gotcha moments. Rey should wake up at the start of episode IX, which starts at the beginning of TLJ, and warn Luke of a future she saw; just retcon the whole damn thing and fill in gaps to facilitate IX's arc.

I think we all agree its okay to pirate games from big evil companies as long as they push liberal agendas.

Either way, people tend to protest things they don't care for by not contributing to it. You can essentially learn everything about the Solo movie by simply reading some reviews and summaries about it. So you can become informed before throwing money at it.

On a side note, the SJW nonsense injected into Spiderman: Homecoming was also pretty annoying. Disney has an agenda and they have to consider its going to push customers away.

I've been trying to think of a way they could just retcon the whole thing. I can't see them having the guts to do it, but that's the only way I can think of that I'd come back to the franchise.

The plot wasn't convoluted, but the screenwriting was, to facilitate the gotcha moments. It just didn't make sense to introduce so many...pointless plot elements. There's a good 30 minutes to 1 hour of casino nonsense that was just unnecessary. As far as actual convolutions in the plot are concerned, though, what was the point of keeping Poe in the dark? Also, how did the codebreaker know Holdo's secret plan, if the only reason he met Finn and Rose was that they didn't know it (because Poe didn't know it.). It would have been better, if it had been completely excised: just bad, bad, bad. Maybe that's not convoluted and just plan stupid and illogical, like the great Rey identity non-answer. 

What really killed me was the ending and how wholly unnecessary it was, all to facilitate several gotcha moments. Rey should wake up at the start of episode IX, which starts at the beginning of TLJ, and warn Luke of a future she saw; just retcon the whole damn thing and fill in gaps to facilitate IX's arc.

So, after all of this talking about how "SJW pandering" has ruined the film, you haven't even watched it yourself to see if it's actually a good film or not.

Why didn't you like TLJ? I thought the screenwriting was inexcusably bad, contrived, convoluted, and a waste of characters.

It felt like Johnson used gotcha moments the way Michael Bay uses explosions: shock the audience and loosely tie the set pieces together.

I went into TLJ a life-long fan and came out unsure if I ever wanted to see another SW film.

I sort of get what you're saying, but examples like that are actually my point, where they could have maybe somehow tried to justify the bad writing if it had been convoluted, because that there is just the thing…...there is never any real reason given for those occurrences. It's just like "Ha! Idiot! I had a plan all along, I just didn't tell you cus the script said this would make me look good!" A Gotcha moment as you said. Now, if you wanted that moment to mean something, you could have written it in some way, where for a myriad of reasons - be they legit or BS - withholding that information made sense, but they didn't. Everything is boiled down to very basic concepts, and they're all badly executed. Like the whole cause of the main plot with the fuel issues that cause everything to play out as it does lol. You could have written in some convoluted space technology mumbo jumbo, sci-fi BS to attempt to explain this universe's slowest chase sequence, but instead the writers were like "meh….low fuel and stuff." 

As you said, stupid and illogical for sure. Convoluted….I'd say the opposite.

It'd take less time to to explain what I actually liked about it; Finn's still in it. Poe has more screen time.

That's it.

It'd take less time to to explain what I actually liked about it; Finn's still in it. Poe has more screen time.

That's it.