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How Much Will Solo Make WW?

Under $700M 56 60.87%
 
$700M-$800M 18 19.57%
 
$801M-$900M 12 13.04%
 
$901M-$1B 3 3.26%
 
Over $1B 3 3.26%
 
Total:92

It's bewildering how mad people can get about SJWs and their "thought-policing," even when it isn't happening.

They're literally the thing they espouse to hate, and it's frankly hilarious: how does one get mad about people forcing something nonexistent upon them? What credibility do people have who attack something for not doing the thing they are accusing it of doing? No one is forcing or even attempting to force anything on anyone, and the obsession with victimhood helps no one.

If you're mad about Solo's "pansexual agenda," go watch the movie and prove yourself wrong. When you're done, maybe you'll be willing to listen to the long-time SW/superhero movie fans who are just fatigued by endless blockbusters. There have been three in a row, two of which are Disney's, and that's both time-consuming and expensive (Tickets cost ~$25 in NYC). Hollywood can get only so much blood from these stones.



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Azuren said:
Insidb said:

He also hasn't seen Solo, so he's 2-for-2 in jumping to conclusions without information.

Congratulations on having no concept on investigating things you like. Someone doesn't have to see a movie to know he or she doesn't agree with the forced message when the writer is confirming that forced message in tweets.

Congratulations on admitting that I'm correct and discrediting all of your own arguments.

You probably should have just lied and said that you saw it, because now everyone here knows you have no idea what happens in the actual film.

I actually saw the movie, and guess what...there's no forced sexual agenda, at all, pansexual or otherwise. The films explicitly state that Lando has literally not committed the only pansexual act one could allude to...

Please just go see the movie and make an informed judgment.



Even if it doesnt have a great opening weekend, i think it will do a decent box office. I think the main factor for the poor opening, is probably fatigue. i really dont know why they have this in may., i mean we just had episode 8 6 months ago. If they waited for november, at least giving us time to want to see another star wars, take more time to build up a better marketing campain...

Anyway, i think a lot of people didnt go on first weekend, because they wanted to see what other people think of this movie. And you must agree that quite a lot of people that saw it said it was good. not great but good. second weekend will probably not have an crazy 50-60% drop like TLJ had. this one will have legs for a while...



Insidb said:
Azuren said:

Congratulations on having no concept on investigating things you like. Someone doesn't have to see a movie to know he or she doesn't agree with the forced message when the writer is confirming that forced message in tweets.

Congratulations on admitting that I'm correct and discrediting all of your own arguments.

You probably should have just lied and said that you saw it, because now everyone here knows you have no idea what happens in the actual film.

I actually saw the movie, and guess what...there's no forced sexual agenda, at all, pansexual or otherwise. The films explicitly state that Lando has literally not committed the only pansexual act one could allude to...

Please just go see the movie and make an informed judgment.

Nah, I don't lie. I know that as an SJW apologist, that always seems like the easier option to you, but I prefer to lay out facts.

 

And also, thanks for showing your complete lack of reading comprehension for everyone. I don't want to watch a forced ideology. The writer for Solo has already confirmed that forced ideology's presence in a tweet, and thus I won't watch it. The very presence of that backwards, regressive ideology is the reason I don't want to watch the movie. I don't care if Landon is pan or if it p lays a role in the movie, because I don't want to watch a movie filled to the brim with ideas I consider to be entirely disgusting? What about that is difficult to understand? Is it the part where I don't care for identity politics?

 

Because I don't care about your identity politics.

 

How can I spell this out for you more plainly than "I don't want to watch identity politics in movie form"? 

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Carl said:

thismeintiel said: 

Yes.  Its been poorly managed.  Why?  Because of those exact political agendas I talk about.  They are putting those first, as well as attacking those who disagree, then worrying about making the films. 

Consumers are used to 2-3 MCU movies?  Yea, but did it start out like that?  No.  Between late '08 and mid '11, we got just one Marvel film.  People are fine with it because they enjoy those films.  If they were bad, you can guarantee they would not be pumping them out like that.  SW could enjoy the same thing.

And competition?  Another poor excuse.  POTC:AWE made more money than Solo, and that was up against Shrek 3's 2nd week, which made more than Deadpool 2's 2nd weekend, and Spider-Man 3's 4th week, which made only a little less than IW.  And POTC is not SW. 

I know you like to imagine that the people who are boycotting the film, and disagree with Kathleen Kennedy and crew's political agenda, makes up, what?  5% of the fanbase.  But you're wrong.  It's much larger than that.  And they are joined by people who probably mostly agree with her, but they don't want that crap in their SW, especially so poorly implemented. 

Nobody is saying there's been no backlash from people towards political agendas. The more you push it as being the only reason for Solo doing poorly though, makes you look silly.

Yeah, it started out like that. Don't try to dismiss the facts. 2008 had 2 films and 2011 had 2 films. The 2nd films to release in those years were both considered flops by the way. Incredible Hulk and Captain America weren't received well then everything blew up after Avengers and Iron Man 3. We're talking about over 10 years of consumer conditioning. It plays a big factor. Phase One was sporadic, Phase Two hammered home two movies per year and now Phase Three is starting to hit with 3 per year.

That is a well managed franchise. They had a plan, they supported the directors and they got movies out on time. Each movie was unique enough to make it stand out from the others in the franchise, each movie was something fresh yet they still built up the "universe" and had an overarching core story they were moving towards. World-building. Star Wars hasn't been well managed in this regard, whether you like it or not. This isn't down to a political agenda. This is down to their reliance on nostalgia and fan-service to push these movies instead of trusting the consumer to accept and adapt to new stories and characters. 

Nobody really asked for a Han Solo origin movie and the reaction to it since the announcement has been lukewarm at best. The actor they chose to play Harrison Ford, while I think Alden did an okay job,  he simply doesn't have the charisma, the look or the pull to come anywhere near Harrison. The marketing for the movie has been poor at best. The production for the movie has been horrific. The date set for release was a bad decision, moving away from the safe December slot to sit in the middle of the big hitters. The "shock" moment for the movie, Maul, is a story that's already been covered through Clone Wars, Rebels and the books. None of these factors has anything to do with Kathleen Kennedy's political beliefs and everything to do with her poor management of the movie (and franchise) itself.

Competition wasn't an "excuse", it was a reason. I'm not giving excuses to Disney for Solo's poor performance, stop painting it that way, I'm giving reasons why it performed poorly and Star Wars seems to be in a spot of bother. This isn't simply down to political leanings. Move your mind beyond that. Look at the bigger picture. Stop closing your eyes to the core problems surrounding Solo and the franchise.

No one has said that the politics are the only reason, but those who try to dismiss it with ridiculous claims or that it is an extremely small minority who are not watching it because of that are the ones who look silly.

The fact that the Incredible Hulk flopped proves my point.  It wasn't of the same quality as Iron Man, so didn't do as well.  It also released just one month after Iron Man.  A movie a month can lead to fatigue.  6 months does not.  In fact, Marvel is putting them out 3 movies a year, now, and still having hit after hit.  The films just have to be good.  And it also helps not to just outright bash the fanbase for not agreeing with you.  BTW, Captain America was not a flop.

And, yes, their poor management has to do with their agenda.  They are worried about pushing it first, then worried about the films.  They don't keep any kind of control on the crew, letting them to use their films as a way to push their agenda, even if it isn't quite so blatant in the actual film.  It's why they are banking purely on nostalgia to get them through, figuring those fanboys will come no matter what.  Looks like they are being proven wrong.

They are just excuses.  POTC is big, but it is defintely not SW big.  Yet, you would think it was when it was able to pull in more money than a SW film against equal competition.  There's a reason Disney released it at this time.  They know it wasn't going to do well, but wanted the press to be filled with "Solo Breaks Memorial Day Weekend Record," figuring that was an easy hurdle to leap. It didn't even come close.  Things are even worse WW.  It's fate would not be any different in Dec.  So, to use competition as an excuse is just that, an excuse.



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areason said:
Cobretti2 said:

you are assuming some of this won't be answered in the next movie or in a spin off. The nobodies was clearly a lie.

And you're assuming that it will.

Nice game mate 

NO i am staying rational and calm till the last movie, then I will be dissapointed



 

 

NightlyPoe said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

The domestic is like half of what they were originally thinking. Star wars relies more on US than most movies 

$100 million over a 4-day weekend really isn't a terrible figure for a side movie project.  Expectations may be higher, but perhaps expectations were unreasonable.  If we stipulate a $250 million domestic run, that might make Disney sigh and fuel some internet hate, but it's realistically around the level of a mid-tier Marvel release.  And we'd never say the MCU was in trouble.

No, it's the international figure of only $65 million with only Japan left to open that is eye-popping.  Star Wars has, indeed, relied on domestic more than most movies.  However, it has never performed poorly internationally.  It just isn't up there as a phenomenon like it is here.  I would have expected the international box office to behave like a regular 'sploions heavy movie and soak in a few hundred million with ease.  But it's not doing that.  I don't think it's going to make as much internationally as silly nothing movies like Tomb Raider, Maze Runner, Pacific Rim, or Rampage.

We can talk about our silly domestic concerns about political agendas and such, but that has little to do with how the international figure happened.  And I guarantee you, it's the international figures that are causing fingers to reach for the panic button at Disney.

You do realize not everyone is on the Left outside of the US, right?  There are people who disagree with Kathleen Kennedy's agenda in other countries, as well.  And probably a few more who may agree, but hate that stuff being shoehorned into the SW universe. 

And $100M is piss poor for a SW movie starring one of its most popular characters.  Especially when the last spinoff did $172.7M+ in the first 4 days, without a popular character being the main focus.  Same goes for a $250M total DBO take.  This film needs $500M just to break even on the production budget.  Probably $700M when you include the marketing budget.



Full Memorial Weekend estimates are up. Solo made ~$103M in its first 4 days at the DBO. For comparison, RO made $172.7M for the same time frame. FBO doesn't include Day 4, but WW Solo sits at $168M. This compares to $307.7M RO made WW in its first 4 days, minus Mon's FBO. This makes Solo 45.4% down on RO. If this holds, Solo will only make $576.6M.



thismeintiel said:
Full Memorial Weekend estimates are up. Solo made ~$103M in its first 4 days at the DBO. For comparison, RO made $172.7M for the same time frame. FBO doesn't include Day 4, but WW Solo sits at $168M. This compares to $307.7M RO made WW in its first 4 days, minus Mon's FBO. This makes Solo 45.4% down on RO. If this holds, Solo will only make $576.6M.

So, that combined with merchandise sales, home video, streaming, etc. makes it look like it'll at least break even, so no big loss for them that would necessitate them changing course it seems.



VGPolyglot said:
thismeintiel said:
Full Memorial Weekend estimates are up. Solo made ~$103M in its first 4 days at the DBO. For comparison, RO made $172.7M for the same time frame. FBO doesn't include Day 4, but WW Solo sits at $168M. This compares to $307.7M RO made WW in its first 4 days, minus Mon's FBO. This makes Solo 45.4% down on RO. If this holds, Solo will only make $576.6M.

So, that combined with merchandise sales, home video, streaming, etc. makes it look like it'll at least break even, so no big loss for them that would necessitate them changing course it seems.

Sure.  Well...except for the fact that merch sales have been down since TLJ and I highly doubt a BO bomb is going to rejuvenate them.  And streaming services will have to pay much less to get a flop on their service, if they even want it on there.  Nice try, though.