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How Much Will Solo Make WW?

Under $700M 56 60.87%
 
$700M-$800M 18 19.57%
 
$801M-$900M 12 13.04%
 
$901M-$1B 3 3.26%
 
Over $1B 3 3.26%
 
Total:92
Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

And the last one was super divisive, with this current one outright bombing. Can you please stop with the same debunked argument over and over?

And yeah, if the Switch were to start drastically underperform and labo was a bomb he could have very well faced replacement.

Do you just no understand how business works?

I've worked in the film business, it doesn't work how you think it does. If it did, James Cameron would never work again after The Abyss, Steven Spielberg wouldn't have worked again after Always, M.Night Shyamalan wouldn't have worked after like 5 bombs in a row. 

One hit movie in Hollywood alone buys you a lot of leeway, two hits and you will working for a long ass time, a track record of multiple billion+ pictures means you get to do what you want, it doesn't matter what some kid on the internet thinks. 

I don't like Michael Bay, the last Transformers movie underperformed, but Michael Bay is going to be able to make whatever he wants for the next 20 years. And if you think you're better/smarter, then great go write your own movie and get it made, otherwise lets pipe down on pretending to be experts when I doubt most of the people complaining have even ever worked 1 day on a movie set. 

I'm gonna just come out and say you're a liar, because if it did you would have already said something to the effect of "but if she turns it around, everything will be fine". Since you haven't, I'm sorry; I just don't believe you, and you're about as credible at this point as InfoWars. And the issue I take with your comparisons is Kennedy isn't Cameron. She's not Spielberg. Shyamalan was about to be laughed out of everything until Split released. Kennedy is the person who took the single most prominent franchise in film history and made it a joke. Quit pretending that people can rest on their laurels forever and understand that Disney don't care about your pedigree if you aren't delivering.



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Soundwave said: 

 

 

The main casualty here is likely to be the Obi-Wan or Boba Fett movies, I think for now Disney will opt to put those on ice, if a Star Wars "one-off" movie gets produced from now on, the script/concept is likely going to have to be a slam dunk, not just "well this is pretty good and there's some fun here". So for people who wanted to see Ewan McGregor back as Obi-Wan ... this might be tough shit for you guys. 

What they should do is combine the Boba Fett/Obi Wan projects into one movie. They have a little bit of a history that you could easily flesh out into something more interesting that fans would want to see.



Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

I've worked in the film business, it doesn't work how you think it does. If it did, James Cameron would never work again after The Abyss, Steven Spielberg wouldn't have worked again after Always, M.Night Shyamalan wouldn't have worked after like 5 bombs in a row. 

One hit movie in Hollywood alone buys you a lot of leeway, two hits and you will working for a long ass time, a track record of multiple billion+ pictures means you get to do what you want, it doesn't matter what some kid on the internet thinks. 

I don't like Michael Bay, the last Transformers movie underperformed, but Michael Bay is going to be able to make whatever he wants for the next 20 years. And if you think you're better/smarter, then great go write your own movie and get it made, otherwise lets pipe down on pretending to be experts when I doubt most of the people complaining have even ever worked 1 day on a movie set. 

I'm gonna just come out and say you're a liar, because if it did you would have already said something to the effect of "but if she turns it around, everything will be fine". Since you haven't, I'm sorry; I just don't believe you, and you're about as credible at this point as InfoWars. And the issue I take with your comparisons is Kennedy isn't Cameron. She's not Spielberg. Shyamalan was about to be laughed out of everything until Split released. Kennedy is the person who took the single most prominent franchise in film history and made it a joke. Quit pretending that people can rest on their laurels forever and understand that Disney don't care about your pedigree if you aren't delivering.

In producing terms she absolutely is the Cameron/Spielberg of the business, she is one of the most powerful people in the industry. You're being naive if you want to argue against that. 

No one gives a fuck either that some kids on the internet laughed at M. Night Shymalan, bottom line is more studio heads would be more comfortable giving him $50+ million a picture because he made The Sixth Sense over someone new or unproven. That's just how it works. 

3/4 Star Wars films making a billion+ is not resting on laurels. The main thing Disney has to realize is they can't make tons of Star Wars movies. People don't give a crap about Solo: Teenage Years, Obi-Wan: My Life On A Shitty Desert Rock, Boba Fett: That Dude That Nerds Like In a Western ... that stuff that Disney was thinking of doing they're going to have to tone down. 

Marvel is unique and different because it's a universe that isn't bound by one genre, as such you can have radically different movies ranging from sci-fi to fantasy to urban crime to even horror, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter you can't do all this stuff. 



Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

I'm gonna just come out and say you're a liar, because if it did you would have already said something to the effect of "but if she turns it around, everything will be fine". Since you haven't, I'm sorry; I just don't believe you, and you're about as credible at this point as InfoWars. And the issue I take with your comparisons is Kennedy isn't Cameron. She's not Spielberg. Shyamalan was about to be laughed out of everything until Split released. Kennedy is the person who took the single most prominent franchise in film history and made it a joke. Quit pretending that people can rest on their laurels forever and understand that Disney don't care about your pedigree if you aren't delivering.

In producing terms she absolutely is the Cameron/Spielberg of the business, she is one of the most powerful people in the industry. You're being naive if you want to argue against that. 

No one gives a fuck either that some kids on the internet laughed at M. Night Shymalan, bottom line is more studio heads would be more comfortable giving him $50+ million a picture because he made The Sixth Sense over someone new or unproven. That's just how it works. 

3/4 Star Wars films making a billion+ is not resting on laurels. The main thing Disney has to realize is they can't make tons of Star Wars movies. People don't give a crap about Solo: Teenage Years, Obi-Wan: My Life On A Shitty Desert Rock, Boba Fett: That Dude That Nerds Like In a Western ... that stuff that Disney was thinking of doing they're going to have to tone down. 

Marvel is unique and different because it's a universe that isn't bound by one genre, as such you can have radically different movies ranging from sci-fi to fantasy to urban crime to even horror, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter you can't do all this stuff. 

Not even reading what you have to say anymore, since you clearly don't want to have an intellectual discussion. "You don't have to perform well to keep your job if you did a few good movies"? Sorry, I don't debate with people who repeat the same debunked points over and over.

 

EDIT: And in case it wasn't obvious, this is me dipping out of the circular argument you're having.



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Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

In producing terms she absolutely is the Cameron/Spielberg of the business, she is one of the most powerful people in the industry. You're being naive if you want to argue against that. 

No one gives a fuck either that some kids on the internet laughed at M. Night Shymalan, bottom line is more studio heads would be more comfortable giving him $50+ million a picture because he made The Sixth Sense over someone new or unproven. That's just how it works. 

3/4 Star Wars films making a billion+ is not resting on laurels. The main thing Disney has to realize is they can't make tons of Star Wars movies. People don't give a crap about Solo: Teenage Years, Obi-Wan: My Life On A Shitty Desert Rock, Boba Fett: That Dude That Nerds Like In a Western ... that stuff that Disney was thinking of doing they're going to have to tone down. 

Marvel is unique and different because it's a universe that isn't bound by one genre, as such you can have radically different movies ranging from sci-fi to fantasy to urban crime to even horror, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter you can't do all this stuff. 

Not even reading what you have to say anymore, since you clearly don't want to have an intellectual discussion. "You don't have to perform well to keep your job if you did a few good movies"? Sorry, I don't debate with people who repeat the same debunked points over and over.

Because you don't have any facts to really back up any of what you're saying. 

Here's clear facts

3/4 Disney Star Wars films have made $1 billion +, soon will be 4/5 no matter how much salt is on the internet. 

2/19 Disney Pixar films have made $1 billion ... are you claiming Pixar is in danger? No? Why not? 

5/19 Marvel films have made $1 billion ... so 75% of the time they fail to hit a billion. Is that a problem too? 



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Angelus said:
Azuren said:

Cool beans, yeah I noted earlier how Lucas managed to do it with quite a bit of subtlety as opposed to the "LOOK AT OUR STRONG FEMALE LEAD; WE HAVE A BLACK STORMTROOPER; *Poe is gay?* UH, I MEAN YEAH, HE IS; LANDO IS ALSO PANSEXUAL BECAUSE WHY NOT; HOW FUCKING DARE YOU QUESTION REY, YOU MISOGYNISTIC , NECK-BEARED BASEMENT DWELLER!"

Funny how you are quite willing to use examples of things that have never actually materialized in any sort recognizable way on screen, and only actually been said by people away from the context of the movies, yet you're willing to write off George Lucas' statements away from the context of the movie. Listen man, there's plenty to not like about these new Star Wars movies, but the truth is you're going out of your way to find more things to hate. 

This thread is the first time in my life where I heard about characters being gay and pansexual and who knows what else. Does Finn ever acknowledge being black or is it ever mentioned in any way (ala Black Panther main villain)?  Is the fact Rey is a girl ever mentioned? I really don't recall.

Hell, I'm personally against pushing agendas for the sake of it, but all of these SJW conspiracy is really stretching it, to say the least.



Soundwave, you're acting like if the only other option is to fire her and get a newbie to do the job. Why?

Is it really inconceivable for you that they could give another of their big franchises to Kennedy and get another big producer (is she the only one in Hollywood?) to take Star Wars? The fans are happy, her image is safe, Disney can hope for a better trend... Minimal harm in this scenario.

Just like "Don Mattrick got hired by Zinga, so we put his number two at his place". Perfectly normal in any kind of industry.



Faelco said:
Soundwave, you're acting like if the only other option is to fire her and get a newbie to do the job. Why?

Is it really inconceivable for you that they could give another of their big franchises to Kennedy and get another big producer (is she the only one in Hollywood?) to take Star Wars? The fans are happy, her image is safe, Disney can hope for a better trend... Minimal harm in this scenario.

Just like "Don Mattrick got hired by Zinga, so we put his number two at his place". Perfectly normal in any kind of industry.

It's not going to happen because anyone who really has any real understanding of how that industry works knows full well how that goes. Past that a lot of this is nonsense, 3 $1 billion grossing films out of 4 (soon to be 4/5) is remarkable business for any franchise, one misstep with Solo that wasn't even Disney's idea is not going to cause a change anywhere. If anything Solo not doing great business just shows they shouldn't use any of Lucas' ideas and were right to scrap his trilogy in favor of going with JJ Abrams.

As posted above Pixar in their entire 20+ years history with Disney only has 2 movies total that have hit a billion. Marvel only has 5, despite having almost 20 films produced. 

The reality is it's far more likely that Obi-Wan movie that the fanboys were oogling about actually now gets iced for a few years in favor of focusing back on the big money trilogy films. 



Angelus said:
It's really interesting to me how aggressively a lot of people are pushing the narrative that the Star Wars fanbase is rebelling against Kennedy's direction of the franchise because she's pushing an ideology. First off, Star Wars has always pushed an ideology. Maybe you didn't notice, but George Lucas had a lot to say, and he wasn't subtle either. That aside though, to me this is really a lot simpler than that. These movies are leaving a bad taste, because;

1. They are very, very poorly written. Both in the overarching plot, and the moment to moment action.
2. They are unwilling to be creative, and chart new territory, yet simultaneously disrespect key lore elements and characters.
3. Kennedy has shown extreme disregard towards anything critical the fans have to say.

The first point on its own, fans would likely be willing to forgive. After all, they did so for the prequels to various degrees. Combined with 2, and 3 though….you're asking for trouble. Chances are, Kennedy never really liked Star Wars. She doesn't get what people gravitate to about it, so all she seems to distill it down to is the visual elements. Once you get past that surface level stuff, she doesn't have a clue, and if you sat down with her and talked to her off the record with some truth serum, I bet she'd admit it too.

It's not the entire fanbase, but a very good chunk of it.  95% of people don't fall on the far Left, as some on this board wish to think.  There are a lot of people who are center-right, right, and even center-left, who are tired of the agendas, especially when pushed so heavily by filmmakers.  And that doesn't just include on screen.  When you are actively ridiculing a fanbase, just because they don't support all of your political ideals, that turns a lot of people off of you and your film.  Including those who probably agree with you more than they do some of the fanbase. 

And a lot of the things you talk about in 1-3 are direct results of them following that agenda. 

arcaneguyver said:
After TLJ my only interest in Disney Star Wars is watching it crumble.



shikamaru317 said:
Faelco said:
Soundwave, you're acting like if the only other option is to fire her and get a newbie to do the job. Why?

Is it really inconceivable for you that they could give another of their big franchises to Kennedy and get another big producer (is she the only one in Hollywood?) to take Star Wars? The fans are happy, her image is safe, Disney can hope for a better trend... Minimal harm in this scenario.

Just like "Don Mattrick got hired by Zinga, so we put his number two at his place". Perfectly normal in any kind of industry.

There are already rumors floating around of potential replacements that Disney are considering for Kathleen as President of LucasFilm. Among them are:

-Jon Favreau (director and producer of Iron Man 1 and 2, Jungle Book live action, and Lion King live action)

-Dave Filoni (head of LucasFilm Animation)

-Kevin Feige (President of Marvel Studios)

Show a link to a credible Hollywood industry site saying that, not some nerds on the internet. I suggest you start with Variety and then try Hollywood Reporter. Good luck.