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How Much Will Solo Make WW?

Under $700M 56 60.87%
 
$700M-$800M 18 19.57%
 
$801M-$900M 12 13.04%
 
$901M-$1B 3 3.26%
 
Over $1B 3 3.26%
 
Total:92
thismeintiel said:

Nope. Marvel proves that it can be done. The movies just have to be good. Marvel also has messages most can agree with. I think they also keep a tighter control on those making the film. Basically, don't insult the fans of your series. At the very least, don't point to our films as agreeing with or pushing your political leanings. 

I've always disliked the MCU comparison with Star Wars.

The consumer is used to 2 or 3 MCU movies per year. They're all each different enough due to the very nature of comic book heroes. They all have different powers, they all have different goals and stories, different antagonists. Star Wars doesn't have that luxury in the way that it's being managed right now. It's the good guys vs the Empire. It's lightsabers and blasters vs lightsabers and blasters. It's Star Destroyers, the Millennium Falcon, X-Wings and Tie Fighters.

While the MCU is bringing fresh content to the consumer, Star Wars is *still* relying on nostalgia to push the franchise.

I think the main problem with Star Wars is that it's not really "fresh". They had the opportunity to show the mass market some of the more crazy shit that can happen in that universe and they've dropped the ball. It's essentially just more of the same in each movie. Sure, there's a market for that, but it's no where near as big as they expect it to be after the initial "bump" that came from bringing it back.

On top of that, they put a very average movie (that honestly, nobody really asked for) in a very busy release schedule. Infinity War, Deadpool 2 and Jurassic World 2 are all major movies and all 3 have had a consistent stream of positive advertisement and media attention. The previous 3 Star Wars movies have had the advantage of being the "must see" movie upon release, while Solo has a ridiculous amount of competition.

There's many reasons for Solo failing beyond the apparent political agendas you're concerned about. It's been poorly managed.



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Marvel can't be replicated, give a rest with "yeah but Marvel". Marvel is a wish-fulfillment galaxy where everything from Santa Claus, Count Dracula, Star Lord, Punisher, Deadpool, Mistress Death, Sue Richards, Black Panther, Thor, Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, to Iron Man can exist (yes, Santa and Dracula are actually official entities in the Marvel universe). You could have a story in the Marvel universe with all those characters and it would be valid. 

There is no genre limit to Marvel, so give it a rest with the "Marvel does it" nonsense, Star Wars is not comparable. It's a single genre with basically a single conflict. It's more analogous to the Lord of the Rings universe.

Marvel films are wildly different in the genres they can inhabit, Star Wars isn't like that. 

In terms of "quality" I doubt Iron Man 2/3, Captain America 1, Thor 2 are that much better than any of Disney's SW films ... Marvel has had missteps too, people just don't care and move on with their lives.  

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If Solo doesn't have legs, that would be a shame. It's easily one of Disney's better Star Wars films. I think Ron Howard did a great job. I wish he would have done the other Disney Star Wars films. Apparently, George Lucas wanted him to direct the Phantom Menace back in the day but he either couldn't do it or wouldn't do it. That's a shame.

What we're seeing with Disney Star Wars proves something else. Star Wars just isn't the same without George Lucas. He wasn't the best director, but he did a much better job managing the franchise. But hey, the fans wanted him gone and for once in his life, he gave the fans exactly what they wanted.



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Jon-Erich said:
If Solo doesn't have legs, that would be a shame. It's easily one of Disney's better Star Wars films. I think Ron Howard did a great job. I wish he would have done the other Disney Star Wars films. Apparently, George Lucas wanted him to direct the Phantom Menace back in the day but he either couldn't do it or wouldn't do it. That's a shame.

What we're seeing with Disney Star Wars proves something else. Star Wars just isn't the same without George Lucas. He wasn't the best director, but he did a much better job managing the franchise. But hey, the fans wanted him gone and for once in his life, he gave the fans exactly what they wanted.

Solo movie was apparently George Lucas' idea. He was working on it before the sale to Disney with Lawrence Kasdan, seems like Kasdan forced Disney into making this film in exchange for co-writing The Force Awakens. 

http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-han-solo-movie/

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Azuren said:
KLAMarine said:
Good job Kathleen... Doing an excellent job sinking the Star Wars IP.

Yeah. People wanted to argue with Last Jedi bring bad, but this seems to be the definitive answer to "Should Kathleen be replaced?"

 

The answer is a resounding yes. 

If she's at fault, most certainly.



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KLAMarine said:
Azuren said:

Yeah. People wanted to argue with Last Jedi bring bad, but this seems to be the definitive answer to "Should Kathleen be replaced?"

 

The answer is a resounding yes. 

If she's at fault, most certainly.

Doubt she goes anywhere. TFA + Rogue One + TLJ (whether people like it or not) all made Disney a shit ton of money and are 3/4 highest grossing Star Wars films outside of the OT which was ages ago. She's not gonna get canned because 1 spin-off movie that had a trouble production and was forced on Disney by Lawrence Kasdan/George Lucas is not doing that well. 

If that's how Hollywood actually worked, everyone would be out of a job the moment they had their first failure. James Cameron never would've worked after The Abyss was a dud, M. Night Shyamalan's career would've ended like 10 times, there wouldn't have been a Captain America Winter Soldier because the first one didn't make a lot of money, etc. etc. etc.

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My prediction that it will make less then $600 million world wide is looking pretty good. Heck it might even have a hard time making it past the $500 million mark.



This might be hard to hear for die-hard fans of the star wars franchise. But the reason the movie isn't breaking records, in my opinion is because, like every other star wars movies, they're counting on people seeing it just because "IT'S A STAR WARS MOVIE!! THERE'S THE MILLENNIUM FALCON! HAN SOLO! OMG" but for the rest of us, that preview did nothing to make the movie or it's story look interesting, on the merit that the story is one you'd want to see.



thismeintiel said:
HomokHarcos said:

It's not just the agenda or politics of the films. I think them turning the series into an annual Call of Duty-like cash cow kills the hype.

Nope. Marvel proves that it can be done. The movies just have to be good. Marvel also has messages most can agree with. I think they also keep a tighter control on those making the film. Basically, don't insult the fans of your series. At the very least, don't point to our films as agreeing with or pushing your political leanings. 

What was the domestic OW?



Soundwave said:
KLAMarine said:

If she's at fault, most certainly.

Doubt she goes anywhere. TFA + Rogue One + TLJ (whether people like it or not) all made Disney a shit ton of money and are 3/4 highest grossing Star Wars films outside of the OT which was ages ago. She's not gonna get canned because 1 spin-off movie that had a trouble production and was forced on Disney by Lawrence Kasdan/George Lucas is not doing that well. 

If that's how Hollywood actually worked, everyone would be out of a job the moment they had their first failure. James Cameron never would've worked after The Abyss was a dud, M. Night Shyamalan's career would've ended like 10 times, there wouldn't have been a Captain America Winter Soldier because the first one didn't make a lot of money, etc. etc. etc.

And TLJ alienated a number of its fans, shown by Solo's numbers. Next you'll probably refer to "Star Wars fatigue", and claim there wasn't enough marketing to counter "the small but outspoken" fanbase of neckbearded basement dwellers.

 

Face it: Star Wars has been ruined by ideology, and the failure of Solo will see consequences in upper management.



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