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How Much Will Solo Make WW?

Under $700M 56 60.87%
 
$700M-$800M 18 19.57%
 
$801M-$900M 12 13.04%
 
$901M-$1B 3 3.26%
 
Over $1B 3 3.26%
 
Total:92

Solo did $14. 1M in Thu night previews. The good? This is $900K more than POTC:AWE, which opened with $114.7M for the 3 day weekend. The bad? This is $15M less than what RO did for Thu night previews. It also made $11.4M for 2 days from 43 countries.

We'll have to see how this weekend plays out, but it looks Solo is going to end up on the lower end of expectations. Maybe a little worse than expectations at the FBO. Legs will also be interesting, considering Deadpool 2 and IW will still be pulling in some people, and in 3 weeks Incredibles 2 hits theaters.



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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-thursday-previews-1114854

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Plus the actor playing young han is so ugly. He looks nothing like a young Harrison Ford.



UltimateGamer1982 said:
Plus the actor playing young han is so ugly. He looks nothing like a young Harrison Ford.

Bit ridiculous, and uncalled for, saying he's ugly. Obviously he's no Harrison Ford, but lets not take gratuitous shots at the guy.



Just saw it. I enjoyed it. Better than The Last Jedi, in my opinion. Probably same level as Force Awakens, still 1-2 notches below Rogue One.

As for Box Office, I'm predicting around 850-950 million. Might not be a huge success, but a success nonetheless. I think a big part of why it won't quite reach Rogue One numbers is because back when Rogue One came out, there was still a considerable amount of craze, hype, and excitement that was still fresh. Most people were still very thrilled to FINALLY get new Star Wars movies after the 10 year gap between Revenge of the Sith and Force Awakens. Fast forward to today, we have gotten 4 new movies within 2 1/2 years, with Solo releasing just 5 1/2 months after The Last Jedi. Flashback to the prequels and original trilogy, fans had to wait 3 years for just 1. So it's understandable if the hype and excitement has died down considerably. I think it has more to do with franchise fatigue than any damage The Last Jedi did to the franchise. 

Also, when you look at the complete picture, The Last Jedi doing less than the Force Awakens, really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Really, all it does is follow the trend of every 2nd movie in a trilogy after the 1st movie. 

To understand just where exactly is the hype level for Star Wars, let's take a look at the box office totals adjusted for inflation (Follow me closely on this one:) In 2018, all the films in the franchise would have done this in box office.

Original Trilogy:
A New Hope (1977): $3,209,591,789
Empire Strikes Back (1980): $1,668,177,655
Return of the Jedi (1983): $1,196,709,316
Trilogy Average: $2,024,826,253

Prequel Trilogy:
The Phantom Menace (1999): $1,546,809,393
Attack of the Clones (2002): $905,728,106.70
Revenge of the Sith (2005): $1,090,324,804
Trilogy Average: $1,180,954,101

Sequel Trilogy:
The Force Awakens (2015): $2,189,100,470
The Last Jedi (2017): $1,364,650,131
Trilogy Average so far: $1,776,875,301

Spinoff Films:
Rogue One (2016): $1,103,876,602

Based on these adjusted numbers, the 2nd film (The Last Jedi) dropping from the 1st film (The Force Awakens) was not a first time thing, in fact, history shows that it's the norm when it comes to Star Wars. Because Attack of Clones did less then The Phantom Menace and Empire Strikes Back did significantly less then A New Hope. The Last Jedi actually had the smallest drop out of the three 2nd movies based on percentages. (Empire Strikes Back -> ~48% drop from A New Hope; Attack of the Clones -> ~41% drop from The Phantom Menace; The Last Jedi -> ~38% drop from The Force Awakens.)
Seems to me like the Star Wars franchise is as strong as it has always been.

Last edited by PAOerfulone - on 26 May 2018

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Disney has seemingly adjusted their predictions from a ~$150M 4 day opening to ~$115M. It's also performing poorly overseas. Looks like we may have our first SW flop.



One positive coming from a potential flop is that it points towards the Star Wars audience wanting more female/minority leads.



                            

Carl said:
One positive coming from a potential flop is that it points towards the Star Wars audience wanting more female/minority leads.

I think it points more towards being uninterested in revisiting beloved characters at butchering them. 



Marach said:
ah, internet... where a few thousand people in a forum think that every one think like them.

TLJ is a flop ? wow, i would that 1.3 billion dollars flop any day... you cannot compare TLJ with TFA box office wise. TFA was a lightning in a bottle, something that cannot be reproduce. it was the first star wars in a decade, the first one not directed by lucas, the first of the new triology...

I actually liked TLJ, and i think a lot of people does, actually probably most people have liked it, but you dont hear from them.

Solo seems ok, not great, but not a flop. i guess it will do less than rogue one. i think it have a bad timming. it would have a greater impact in december like the others. now it's way to close to TLJ to have a good impact.

but all the toxic side of the fandom will rage about it no matter if it's good or not. so let the dogs bark....

Who said TLJ was a flop? It's wasn't, but it was a BIG disappointment. Not only to a lot of fans, but for Disney. It made 100s of millions less than they were expecting, which was ~$1.7B-$1.8B as the safe bet. Even after the big 2nd weekend drop-off, which they tried to say had to do with Christmas Eve, and not some "fake" fan backlash, the predictions were altered to $1.6B WW. It made 100s of millions less than even that. When a standalone Marvel film easily passes a main SW film, you know something is very wrong.

And toxic? Id say they are the better, less fanboyish side of the fan base, who don't just accept SW in any form, as long as SW is in the title.

PAOerfulone said: 

Just saw it. I enjoyed it. Definitely better than The Last Jedi, in my opinion. Though still 2-3 notches below Force Awakens and Rogue One.

As for Box Office, I'm predicting around 850-950 million. Might not be a huge success, but a success nonetheless. I think a big part of why it won't quite reach Rogue One numbers is because back when Rogue One came out, there was still a considerable amount of craze, hype, and excitement that was still fresh. Most people were still very thrilled to FINALLY get new Star Wars movies after the 10 year gap between Revenge of the Sith and Force Awakens. Fast forward to today, we have gotten 4 new movies within 2 1/2 years, with Solo releasing just 5 1/2 months after The Last Jedi. Flashback to the prequels and original trilogy, fans had to wait 3 years for just 1. So it's understandable if the hype and excitement has died down considerably. I think it has more to do with franchise fatigue than any damage The Last Jedi did to the franchise. 

Also, when you look at the complete picture, The Last Jedi doing less than the Force Awakens, really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Really, all it does is follow the trend of every 2nd movie in a trilogy after the 1st movie. 

To understand just where exactly is the hype level for Star Wars, let's take a look at the box office totals adjusted for inflation (Follow me closely on this one:) In 2018, all the films in the franchise would have done this in box office.

Original Trilogy:
A New Hope (1977): $3,209,591,789
Empire Strikes Back (1980): $1,668,177,655
Return of the Jedi (1983): $1,196,709,316
Trilogy Average: $2,024,826,253

Prequel Trilogy:
The Phantom Menace (1999): $1,546,809,393
Attack of the Clones (2002): $905,728,106.70
Revenge of the Sith (2005): $1,090,324,804
Trilogy Average: $1,180,954,101

Sequel Trilogy:
The Force Awakens (2015): $2,189,100,470
The Last Jedi (2017): $1,364,650,131
Trilogy Average so far: $1,776,875,301

Spinoff Films:
Rogue One (2016): $1,103,876,602

Based on these adjusted numbers, the 2nd film (The Last Jedi) dropping from the 1st film (The Force Awakens) was not a first time thing, in fact, history shows that it's the norm when it comes to Star Wars. Because Attack of Clones did less then The Phantom Menace and Empire Strikes Back did significantly less then A New Hope. The Last Jedi actually had the smallest drop out of the three 2nd movies based on percentages. (Empire Strikes Back -> ~48% drop from A New Hope; Attack of the Clones -> ~41% drop from The Phantom Menace; The Last Jedi -> ~38% drop from The Force Awakens.)
Seems to me like the Star Wars franchise is as strong as it has always been.


As I've said previously, the camparison with Ep1 to Ep2 is valid, but from Ep4 to Ep5 is not. Ep2 did so much worse because it was was a poor film and hype from Ep1 was wearing away, as people were beginning to accept it wasn't a good film, either. Ep5, however, had the misfortune of launching right smack in the middle of a Hollywood/society shift.

Ep 4 launched very poorly for today's standards, with ~$8.4M (adjusted.) In fact, it would have been called a flop. But, back in '77, movies didn't open big and were pretty much done a month to three months later. They launched low, but stayed in theaters for ages. Ep4' s initial run was 1 1/2 years long. By 1980, things were started to shift. Theaters weren't carrying films for more than a year, as Hollywood was pumping out more films. People didn't want to watch films that had been out for longer than a year. In fact, Ep5 wasn't in theaters for an entire year, with ET being the only film since Ep4 that lasted an entire year at the box office, but a year was it.

Like I said, Ep 5 got stuck in the middle. So, while it's opening weekend was better than Ep4's, with ~$24.7M (adjusted), it still wasn't great by today's standards. Though, just 3 years later, the shift was almost completed, as Ep6 opened with ~$97. 9M (adjusted) it's opening weekend. Not good for a SW movie today, but something any other medium-sized blockbuster would be happy to open with. Ep5 also didn't receive the benefit of 6+ extra months in theaters to slowly add to its final numbers. 



Carl said:
One positive coming from a potential flop is that it points towards the Star Wars audience wanting more female/minority leads.

I don't really think it means that at all. Not that I would mind one way or the other if they do have more female/minority leads, but I just don't see the correlation. If Solo flops, it's because the "Star Wars audience" was/is incredibly angry with the horrendous writing of The Last Jedi, and the way that Disney/Kathleen Kennedy responded to that, which was basically "meh…..you'll go see the next one anyway, so fuck off." You got a lot of people, rightly or wrongly (because I highly doubt it will have the intended effect), pretty much using this movie as a protest against the way Kennedy is running Star Wars.