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Another historic failure by Trump but that was expected.

Now we can just hope that South Korea won't fuck it up. If they're smart, they will keep out the US of any NK talks.



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Pemalite said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:
This thread is just one example of many of how bad the left actually are. Make stuff up. Ignore facts. Claim they don't act like the right

The Left and the Right are as bad as each other, you would be a fool to assume otherwise.
Rather, hows about you stop delving into ad hominem and debate the topics that are presented instead?

Kaneman! said:

To the second point of your statement, why does the US demand denuclearization of North Korea, but not Israel or Pakistan?


This is a damn good question.
I bet if Australia were to build Nuclear Weapon no one on the planet would actually give a shit. - In-fact, I am pretty sure a statement from the US years ago said they would allow it.

I think the issue comes down to a countries interests though, if your interests have historically, culturally and politically aligned with the USA, then chances are... They will turn a blind eye.

 

If you notice, I'm the only one presenting sources instead of making baseless political rant posts



Kaneman! said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

Lose the logical fallacies. They don't help your case 

What fallacy is that? The same ad hominem that you've been using through the whole thread to discredit other posters?

And what is "my case"? That you haven't proven a single point yet? Then your cowardly tactics in avoiding my points speak for themselves.

You might want to look up the definition of ad hominem, bud. And turn a blind eye to the facts if you want. Doesn't mean they aren't there. 



Pemalite said:

Kaneman! said:

To the second point of your statement, why does the US demand denuclearization of North Korea, but not Israel or Pakistan?


This is a damn good question.
I bet if Australia were to build Nuclear Weapon no one on the planet would actually give a shit. - In-fact, I am pretty sure a statement from the US years ago said they would allow it.

I think the issue comes down to a countries interests though, if your interests have historically, culturally and politically aligned with the USA, then chances are... They will turn a blind eye.

 

I actually agree with that, but if a neutral country (say South Sudan, because they're the only other non-signatory) attempted nuclear proliferation and would not subject to US terms, they would be demanding the same towards them as they do with North Korea, but don't with Israel. Same reason why the USA are sharing their nuclear arsenal with NATO countries. Nuclear demilitarization would need to be priority, no matter what the country's political stance towards the USA is.

Maxosaurus-rex said:

You might want to look up the definition of ad hominem, bud. And turn a blind eye to the facts if you want. Doesn't mean they aren't there. 

Whatever. You can keep avoiding questions and give non-answers as much as you want, it doesn't make your word a fact.



Ljink96 said:
HollyGamer said:

Well the summit can happen again in the near future, and Trump never said he want the nobel price it's just if Obama can get Nobel price without any effort , why wouldn't Trump? 

Well I'd say Obama has put more effort into his presidency than trump ever has, gotta count for something. And uh, I wouldn't necessarily call this  term a peaceful one. Trump did in fact think that everybody thinks the deserved the peace prize, and you'd be foolish not to believe he didn't either, just based on a already shaky summit. I feel more at ease if Obama got a prize for no effort rather than Trump getting it for no effort and he's a habitual liar and hypocrite, among many other things. 

Well u cannot say Trump asking for Nobel Price when he never asked. And also this summit is Kim Jong un calling not Trump. There are no peace negotiation to begin with, US asked NK to denuclearize since Nixon but only in Trump era NK start to open and show a willingness to denuclearize. And Trump with his Fire and Furry style threaten NK and it worked.  This drama is just part of his style in negotiation. Trump might be hypocrite or bad in the eyes of many , but for now it seems he done well to make NK open up and make the first move. He might be crazy but as crazy it gets i think he is the leader that USA need at this moment. 



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HollyGamer said:
Ljink96 said:

Well I'd say Obama has put more effort into his presidency than trump ever has, gotta count for something. And uh, I wouldn't necessarily call this  term a peaceful one. Trump did in fact think that everybody thinks the deserved the peace prize, and you'd be foolish not to believe he didn't either, just based on a already shaky summit. I feel more at ease if Obama got a prize for no effort rather than Trump getting it for no effort and he's a habitual liar and hypocrite, among many other things. 

Well u cannot say Trump asking for Nobel Price when he never asked. And also this summit is Kim Jong un calling not Trump. There are no peace negotiation to begin with, US asked NK to denuclearize since Nixon but only in Trump era NK start to open and show a willingness to denuclearize. And Trump with his Fire and Furry style threaten NK and it worked.  This drama is just part of his style in negotiation. Trump might be hypocrite or bad in the eyes of many , but for now it seems he done well to make NK open up and make the first move. He might be crazy but as crazy it gets i think he is the leader that USA need at this moment. 

wit wwould make this whole conversation much easier if people learned the basic history of the issues surroundingKorea instead of knee jerk reactionary posts that are quick to call it a failure. o



Maxosaurus-rex said:
Bofferbrauer2 said: 

Seriously, you think that pointing out terrible sources is flaming? That's the only way people in this thread could possibly come to their conclusions. This shit has been covered for over two decades now that we have a clear understanding of how NK operates 

You probably missed that I marked some exert of your post: You could check your sources bias... Which is probably occupy democrats Facebook

That part is what I considered Flaming, not any of the rest you posted



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

Seriously, you think that pointing out terrible sources is flaming? That's the only way people in this thread could possibly come to their conclusions. This shit has been covered for over two decades now that we have a clear understanding of how NK operates 

You probably missed that I marked some exert of your post: You could check your sources bias... Which is probably occupy democrats Facebook

That part is what I considered Flaming, not any of the rest you posted

Sure, it's flaming occupy democrats Facebook page. That page is a cess pool. But that is exactly where you find the type of skewed rhetoric in this thread



Maxosaurus-rex said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

You probably missed that I marked some exert of your post: You could check your sources bias... Which is probably occupy democrats Facebook

That part is what I considered Flaming, not any of the rest you posted

Sure, it's flaming occupy democrats Facebook page. That page is a cess pool

Possible (in fact, I never knew about that facebook page before, so I wont agree or deny on it), but saying that most of those who ain't thinking the same way you do got that from that page is an insult, especially after you said it's a cesspool.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

Sure, it's flaming occupy democrats Facebook page. That page is a cess pool

Possible (in fact, I never knew about that facebook page before, so I wont agree or deny on it), but saying that most of those who ain't thinking the same way you do got that from that page is an insult, especially after you said it's a cesspool.

No. It's not an insult. That's like saying I'm insulting you by call it faux news. And it's not that they aren't thinking the same way. It's that they are spewing verifiable false rhetoric