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Ljink96 said:
HollyGamer said:

Well the summit can happen again in the near future, and Trump never said he want the nobel price it's just if Obama can get Nobel price without any effort , why wouldn't Trump? 

Well I'd say Obama has put more effort into his presidency than trump ever has, gotta count for something. And uh, I wouldn't necessarily call this  term a peaceful one. Trump did in fact think that everybody thinks the deserved the peace prize, and you'd be foolish not to believe he didn't either, just based on a already shaky summit. I feel more at ease if Obama got a prize for no effort rather than Trump getting it for no effort and he's a habitual liar and hypocrite, among many other things. 

Well u cannot say Trump asking for Nobel Price when he never asked. And also this summit is Kim Jong un calling not Trump. There are no peace negotiation to begin with, US asked NK to denuclearize since Nixon but only in Trump era NK start to open and show a willingness to denuclearize. And Trump with his Fire and Furry style threaten NK and it worked.  This drama is just part of his style in negotiation. Trump might be hypocrite or bad in the eyes of many , but for now it seems he done well to make NK open up and make the first move. He might be crazy but as crazy it gets i think he is the leader that USA need at this moment. 



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HollyGamer said:
Ljink96 said:

Well I'd say Obama has put more effort into his presidency than trump ever has, gotta count for something. And uh, I wouldn't necessarily call this  term a peaceful one. Trump did in fact think that everybody thinks the deserved the peace prize, and you'd be foolish not to believe he didn't either, just based on a already shaky summit. I feel more at ease if Obama got a prize for no effort rather than Trump getting it for no effort and he's a habitual liar and hypocrite, among many other things. 

Well u cannot say Trump asking for Nobel Price when he never asked. And also this summit is Kim Jong un calling not Trump. There are no peace negotiation to begin with, US asked NK to denuclearize since Nixon but only in Trump era NK start to open and show a willingness to denuclearize. And Trump with his Fire and Furry style threaten NK and it worked.  This drama is just part of his style in negotiation. Trump might be hypocrite or bad in the eyes of many , but for now it seems he done well to make NK open up and make the first move. He might be crazy but as crazy it gets i think he is the leader that USA need at this moment. 

wit wwould make this whole conversation much easier if people learned the basic history of the issues surroundingKorea instead of knee jerk reactionary posts that are quick to call it a failure. o



Maxosaurus-rex said:
Bofferbrauer2 said: 

Seriously, you think that pointing out terrible sources is flaming? That's the only way people in this thread could possibly come to their conclusions. This shit has been covered for over two decades now that we have a clear understanding of how NK operates 

You probably missed that I marked some exert of your post: You could check your sources bias... Which is probably occupy democrats Facebook

That part is what I considered Flaming, not any of the rest you posted



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

Seriously, you think that pointing out terrible sources is flaming? That's the only way people in this thread could possibly come to their conclusions. This shit has been covered for over two decades now that we have a clear understanding of how NK operates 

You probably missed that I marked some exert of your post: You could check your sources bias... Which is probably occupy democrats Facebook

That part is what I considered Flaming, not any of the rest you posted

Sure, it's flaming occupy democrats Facebook page. That page is a cess pool. But that is exactly where you find the type of skewed rhetoric in this thread



Maxosaurus-rex said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

You probably missed that I marked some exert of your post: You could check your sources bias... Which is probably occupy democrats Facebook

That part is what I considered Flaming, not any of the rest you posted

Sure, it's flaming occupy democrats Facebook page. That page is a cess pool

Possible (in fact, I never knew about that facebook page before, so I wont agree or deny on it), but saying that most of those who ain't thinking the same way you do got that from that page is an insult, especially after you said it's a cesspool.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

Sure, it's flaming occupy democrats Facebook page. That page is a cess pool

Possible (in fact, I never knew about that facebook page before, so I wont agree or deny on it), but saying that most of those who ain't thinking the same way you do got that from that page is an insult, especially after you said it's a cesspool.

No. It's not an insult. That's like saying I'm insulting you by call it faux news. And it's not that they aren't thinking the same way. It's that they are spewing verifiable false rhetoric 



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

Sure, it's flaming occupy democrats Facebook page. That page is a cess pool

Possible (in fact, I never knew about that facebook page before, so I wont agree or deny on it), but saying that most of those who ain't thinking the same way you do got that from that page is an insult, especially after you said it's a cesspool.

Yeah political discussion/debates on the internet mostly end when feelings get hurt .

I do think alot of people with political knowledge ,democrat or other does not put alot of weight into info from facebook .



Immersiveunreality said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Possible (in fact, I never knew about that facebook page before, so I wont agree or deny on it), but saying that most of those who ain't thinking the same way you do got that from that page is an insult, especially after you said it's a cesspool.

Yeah political discussion/debates on the internet mostly end when feelings get hurt .

I do think alot of people with political knowledge ,democrat or other does not put alot of weight into info from facebook .

Hence where the insulting part comes from.



Maxosaurus-rex said:

If you notice, I'm the only one presenting sources instead of making baseless political rant posts

I am not saying you haven't. Just asking you not to delve into logical fallacies as that can and will erode your argument.

Maxosaurus-rex said:

You might want to look up the definition of ad hominem, bud. And turn a blind eye to the facts if you want. Doesn't mean they aren't there. 

Ad Hominem is where you attack someones character, motive, or other attribute (I.E. Political stance) in order to undermine their position or evade the discussion, which is most certainly pertinent to you with some of your prior statements.

I tend to call people out on logical fallacies so that the discussion can move onto something more constructive.


Kaneman! said:

Nuclear demilitarization would need to be priority, no matter what the country's political stance towards the USA is.


I agree. But the world tends to be politically complex, which prevents such an ideal scenario from occurring.
I am actually hoping that Australia will go the Nuclear Power route at some point, but we seem to be Nuclearphobes.

 



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Pemalite said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

If you notice, I'm the only one presenting sources instead of making baseless political rant posts

I am not saying you haven't. Just asking you not to delve into logical fallacies as that can and will erode your argument.

Maxosaurus-rex said:

You might want to look up the definition of ad hominem, bud. And turn a blind eye to the facts if you want. Doesn't mean they aren't there. 

Ad Hominem is where you attack someones character, motive, or other attribute (I.E. Political stance) in order to undermine their position or evade the discussion, which is most certainly pertinent to you with some of your prior statements.

I tend to call people out on logical fallacies so that the discussion can move onto something more constructive.


Kaneman! said:

Nuclear demilitarization would need to be priority, no matter what the country's political stance towards the USA is.


I agree. But the world tends to be politically complex, which prevents such an ideal scenario from occurring.
I am actually hoping that Australia will go the Nuclear Power route at some point, but we seem to be Nuclearphobes.

 

Someone's sources =/= their character or individuality. And yes, sources are on the table for criticism of bias and credibility