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Can you add more to the OP please, a tweeted image doesn't suffice.



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Kaneman! said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

Except, I have. The person I quoted was borderline conspiracy theorist grounded in half truths and lies. Really, common knowledge doesn't need to be sourced. It is common knowledge NK pulls through is shit regularly which is why no US president has met with them. It's common knowledge that the US demands commitment from NK in denuclearization before meetings which started long before Trump.

 

I'm pretty confident that guy is basing his post off of thinkprogress or occupy democrats. The lefts equal to Alex Jones

I disagree, the only thing that doesn't need to be sourced are opinions. You can't present your perspective towards something as common knowledge. Secondly, of course the conflict goes deeper than "NK pulls through is shit" - there's multiple reasons why there hasn't been any meeting.

To the second point of your statement, why does the US demand denuclearization of North Korea, but not Israel or Pakistan?

Actually, it's pretty much a widely accepted rule that common knowledge doesn't need to be sourced. Disagree all you want about that. It's a fact.

 

Because Isreal is an ally... Did you seriously just ask that?? You might have well asked why the US doesn't put sanctions on UK



Maxosaurus-rex said:

Actually, it's pretty much a widely accepted rule that common knowledge doesn't need to be sourced. Disagree all you want about that. It's a fact.

 

Because Isreal is an ally... Did you seriously just ask that?? You might have well asked why the US doesn't put sanctions on UK

Again, if people disagree with you, then saying "I am right, and you are wrong" is not the way to go about. Want to show that you're right? Prove it.

Israel doesn't even confirm that they have nuclear weapons, and they are NOT signatories of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty, so it is definitely NOT the same as putting sanctions on the UK, it's preventing them to amass a nuclear stockpile. And you ignored Pakistan. How about India, then?



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

How about the fact that the test site was already destroyed before they put on theatrics. Or how about the fact that hey, north korea has done this nonsense before and threatened to cancel the meeting themselves like many predicted they would after setting up the meeting

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43894394

Still speculation. For instance, it could be just one part that collapsed and the rest is perfectly fine for some additional tests. But now that the entrances and mines are destroyed, it's gone for good.

But I give you that this potentially has made the decision easier for NK to destroy them for good after those collapses.

Or how about the fact that the military drills are planned months in advance, North Korea said they wouldn't protest this year, and the US didn't deploy their usual but instead scaled down. 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/talks-north-korea-stop-annual-us-south-korea/story?id=53608746

Planned in advance also means they can be called off in advance. The fact that Trump only slightly downscaled instead of cancelling it amids the talks about the summit can be seen as a provocation, especially after killing the deal with Iran. But I agree in sofar that NK is overreacting about it.

But sure, let's go with your "facts" or... You could check your sources bias... Which is probably occupy democrats Facebook 

Now that I would consider flaming,  please keep that out of the discussion

Sure, it's speculation... Which is why NK needed to build another tunnel right before they announced they would collapse it. The last test was on a spectacular scale.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-hydrogen-bomb-test-evidence-2017-9

 

Let's also not pretend the NK has used these types of theatrics before.

 

They were canceled/postponed in advanced. Then they resumed. Which then had the OK from NK.

 

Seriously, you think that pointing out terrible sources is flaming? That's the only way people in this thread could possibly come to their conclusions. This shit has been covered for over two decades now that we have a clear understanding of how NK operates 



Kaneman! said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

Actually, it's pretty much a widely accepted rule that common knowledge doesn't need to be sourced. Disagree all you want about that. It's a fact.

 

Because Isreal is an ally... Did you seriously just ask that?? You might have well asked why the US doesn't put sanctions on UK

Again, if people disagree with you, then saying "I am right, and you are wrong" is not the way to go about. Want to show that you're right? Prove it.

Israel doesn't even confirm that they have nuclear weapons, and they are NOT signatories of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty, so it is definitely NOT the same as putting sanctions on the UK, it's preventing them to amass a nuclear stockpile. And you ignored Pakistan. How about India, then?

India threatens genocide and to nuke Japan, SK, US and the world on a regular basis while capturing visitors, brainwashing its population, and committing unspeakable crimes against humanity on their own population?? These aren't even comparable.



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Maxosaurus-rex said:

India threatens genocide and to nuke Japan, SK, US and the world on a regular basis while capturing visitors, brainwashing its population, and committing unspeakable crimes against humanity on their own population?? These aren't even comparable.


When did India threaten to nuke Japan and South Korea?

Are you confusing India with North Korea? I mean, that's a pretty big mistake for someone with such vast common knowledge experience.



Kaneman! said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

India threatens genocide and to nuke Japan, SK, US and the world on a regular basis while capturing visitors, brainwashing its population, and committing unspeakable crimes against humanity on their own population?? These aren't even comparable.


When did India threaten to nuke Japan and South Korea?

Are you confusing India with North Korea? I mean, that's a pretty big mistake for someone with such vast common knowledge experience.

Lose the logical fallacies. They don't help your case 



Maxosaurus-rex said:
Kaneman! said:


When did India threaten to nuke Japan and South Korea?

Are you confusing India with North Korea? I mean, that's a pretty big mistake for someone with such vast common knowledge experience.

Lose the logical fallacies. They don't help your case 

What fallacy is that? The same ad hominem that you've been using through the whole thread to discredit other posters?

And what is "my case"? That you haven't proven a single point yet? Then your cowardly tactics in avoiding my points speak for themselves.



HollyGamer said:
Ljink96 said:

Well...Trump did say he deserved a Nobel Peace Prize for the summit...but now I guess he doesn't deserve it, lol

Well the summit can happen again in the near future, and Trump never said he want the nobel price it's just if Obama can get Nobel price without any effort , why wouldn't Trump? 

Well I'd say Obama has put more effort into his presidency than trump ever has, gotta count for something. And uh, I wouldn't necessarily call this  term a peaceful one. Trump did in fact think that everybody thinks the deserved the peace prize, and you'd be foolish not to believe he didn't either, just based on a already shaky summit. I feel more at ease if Obama got a prize for no effort rather than Trump getting it for no effort and he's a habitual liar and hypocrite, among many other things. 



Maxosaurus-rex said:
This thread is just one example of many of how bad the left actually are. Make stuff up. Ignore facts. Claim they don't act like the right

The Left and the Right are as bad as each other, you would be a fool to assume otherwise.
Rather, hows about you stop delving into ad hominem and debate the topics that are presented instead?

Kaneman! said:

To the second point of your statement, why does the US demand denuclearization of North Korea, but not Israel or Pakistan?


This is a damn good question.
I bet if Australia were to build Nuclear Weapon no one on the planet would actually give a shit. - In-fact, I am pretty sure a statement from the US years ago said they would allow it.

I think the issue comes down to a countries interests though, if your interests have historically, culturally and politically aligned with the USA, then chances are... They will turn a blind eye.

 



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