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2021 is definitely happening for the console, but I do speculate that this one will sport nice performance enhancements from the previous one. They're not gonna ditch the current architecture; they're very comfortable with it.

They could oomph the RAM up to 32GB GDDR5. This looks too high, but all for futureproofing.

HDD capacity is really important by this point. If digital is becoming a thing right now, then higher capacity HDDs are essential. Maybe 2TB HDDs would suffice, accompanied by more expensive SKUs with 4TB.

Despite digital media taking over, I still do think Blu-ray is going to stay for a little while. Higher capacity discs? Probably. Faster BD drive? Probably not. But anything to install those huge games quickly.

I'm guessing the chipsets would not change that much. Maybe an enhanced graphics card in comparison to the PS4. I do think the leap in graphics won't be massive, but enough to surpass the X1X.

In the end, this new system will most likely come with changes that would deem it slightly conservative when compared to the previous one. This is pure speculation.



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KingofTrolls said:
KBG29 said:

1.I doubt Sony will go all in on an expensive, but extreamly capable PS5. Remember what happened with PS3.

2.Ultimately I would love it if next gen could start with multiple teirs and form factors. Seeing a $400 1080p entry level PS5 Home Console, a $600 PS5 Phone, and an $800 PS5 4K model would would be awesome.

PS3 was another story. It was multiplatform-wise and games wise in general ...  it looked worse than 360 despite huuuuge price difference. Early PS3 games were PS2 games with bumped graphics, now compare it to Gears of War, online system etc. Thats the point. Also PS2 alone was a huge competitor.

The audience - in early days - saw Cell and Blu ray as misinvestment. Early PS3 user feel no difference with his hard disk, because 360 games were insta play. Simple as that.

2. No no no. PS4 Phone is a thing nobody wants, also nobody wants to feel like 2nd class consumer when he opens his/her brandly new console. Hard to explain it to me, just look at Indian cars Tata. They got awesome price/quality offering, but were mostly viewed as " car for poorers". That kill the sales.

Console gamers are not PC gamers. Any kind of segretation is very dangerous and create rightfylly backslash. I saw ur post here from time to time and I can say u are a minority enthustiast, that's all.

I mostly agree as I said in the rest of my post. Even if PS5 solved all of those early PS3 stumbles, I don't see anything changing peoples mind on the value of consoles. Sony and Microsoft have been trying to push the value of consoles for two generations, but people just don't want it. For some reason people just like spending a fortune buying gadgets. Instead of a $600 console that can handle everything, they will spend thousands on a console, a Blu-ray Player, a Roku, a Phone, a Handheld, a Tablet, an E-reader, a Smartwatch, an AI assistant speaker, and whatever other redundent product they come up wth next. That is just the reality we live in, and why Sony needs to keep the PS5 price as compact as possible.

As cool as it would be, to me, having multiple tiers on day one is most likely a dangerous direction. Like you said, someone is going to be hurt, (or say they feel hurt to cause a stir), if they have a base and premium model. If they want to do other form factors or higher performance models, it has to be later once the platform is established, and the core complainers, can't mislead the masses with their agenda.    

VGPolyglot said:
KBG29 said:

I doubt Sony will go all in on an expensive, but extreamly capable PS5. Remember what happened with PS3. I would love to believe times have changed, and people would embrace a console that delivers an unprecedented power to price ratio. But, after Sony tried giving us an $800 PS3 for $500, and seeing it nearly destroy their brand, I just don't have faith in consumers.

It's not the consumers' faults, the corporation has to convince people that their product is worth getting.

It is always the consumers fault when they get ripped off, or buy bad products. We have had the ability to do our own research on every purchase we make for decades. You know you want something, you reach out to professional(s), you read form(s), you check book(s), and browse search engine(s), you gather a list of potential product(s) for whatever your need is. Then you reasearch each product, and see if it is good for you. People should be smart enough to find obscure products, see through both positive and negative reviews, and make a strong decision. 

I know most people just buy, and it is unrealistic to expect people actually think about the way they spend their money. At the end of the day, we all have the ability to find the best products, and it should not be a matter of propaganda and persuasion that determines what we buy. This is for everything, not just consoles or elctronics. 



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KBG29 said:

1.I mostly agree as I said in the rest of my post. Even if PS5 solved all of those early PS3 stumbles, I don't see anything changing peoples mind on the value of consoles.

2.As cool as it would be, to me, having multiple tiers on day one is most likely a dangerous direction. Like you said, someone is going to be hurt, (or say they feel hurt to cause a stir), if they have a base and premium model. If they want to do other form factors or higher performance models, it has to be later once the platform is established, and the core complainers, can't mislead the masses with their agenda.    

1. I think otherwise. RAW power now is more a thing than it ever was, also I dont see PS5 launching with that poor games library as PS4 or even PS3. My bet is awesome backward compat with improved graphics/FPS and Horizon 2, maybe GoW5,  Cyberpunk with really improved graphics at launch window. Ultimately Sony can sell PS5 wilth sligh loss at launch, just like they did before.

See, I am a huge fan of true generational leap.

2.Complainers ? Listen, base and premium model is like pointing somebody " hey, u dirty peasant, not having 800$ ? Go buy premium LOL" This is a PC thing and it have to stay there. These folks simply dont care.

I think these mid gen upgrades talk will bite both MS and Sony in the ass with next gen consoles launch. If there will be a clear space for future upgrade in mind, Digital Foundry and others will notice it immediately. 



KBG29 said:

VGPolyglot said:

It's not the consumers' faults, the corporation has to convince people that their product is worth getting.

It is always the consumers fault when they get ripped off, or buy bad products. We have had the ability to do our own research on every purchase we make for decades. You know you want something, you reach out to professional(s), you read form(s), you check book(s), and browse search engine(s), you gather a list of potential product(s) for whatever your need is. Then you reasearch each product, and see if it is good for you. People should be smart enough to find obscure products, see through both positive and negative reviews, and make a strong decision. 

I know most people just buy, and it is unrealistic to expect people actually think about the way they spend their money. At the end of the day, we all have the ability to find the best products, and it should not be a matter of propaganda and persuasion that determines what we buy. This is for everything, not just consoles or elctronics. 

I don't understand your argument here, you said it's always the consumers' fault when they get ripped off/buy bad products, but then critique consumers for not buying the launch PS3. Maybe they decided that $599 USD was a rip-off? It doesn't matter is Sony loses money on each unit, it's still an expensive price that was just not justifiable/affordable for most people. They then waited until the PS3 was cheaper and more acceptable price-wise. I'm sorry, but you're essentially the only person I see who keeps on clamouring for a PS phone, I haven't seen a single other person who supports such an idea.



VGPolyglot said:
KBG29 said:

It is always the consumers fault when they get ripped off, or buy bad products. We have had the ability to do our own research on every purchase we make for decades. You know you want something, you reach out to professional(s), you read form(s), you check book(s), and browse search engine(s), you gather a list of potential product(s) for whatever your need is. Then you reasearch each product, and see if it is good for you. People should be smart enough to find obscure products, see through both positive and negative reviews, and make a strong decision. 

I know most people just buy, and it is unrealistic to expect people actually think about the way they spend their money. At the end of the day, we all have the ability to find the best products, and it should not be a matter of propaganda and persuasion that determines what we buy. This is for everything, not just consoles or elctronics. 

I don't understand your argument here, you said it's always the consumers' fault when they get ripped off/buy bad products, but then critique consumers for not buying the launch PS3. Maybe they decided that $599 USD was a rip-off? It doesn't matter is Sony loses money on each unit, it's still an expensive price that was just not justifiable/affordable for most people. They then waited until the PS3 was cheaper and more acceptable price-wise. I'm sorry, but you're essentially the only person I see who keeps on clamouring for a PS phone, I haven't seen a single other person who supports such an idea.

Althought I see the value on PS3 even to cost 800 at launch I completely understand people not buying it. Although I can't understand people that pay 800 for an iPhone.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

I don't understand your argument here, you said it's always the consumers' fault when they get ripped off/buy bad products, but then critique consumers for not buying the launch PS3. Maybe they decided that $599 USD was a rip-off? It doesn't matter is Sony loses money on each unit, it's still an expensive price that was just not justifiable/affordable for most people. They then waited until the PS3 was cheaper and more acceptable price-wise. I'm sorry, but you're essentially the only person I see who keeps on clamouring for a PS phone, I haven't seen a single other person who supports such an idea.

Althought I see the value on PS3 even to cost 800 at launch I completely understand people not buying it. Although I can't understand people that pay 800 for an iPhone.

I think phones are more of a status symbol than game consoles are, so the desire to get one is higher.



VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

Althought I see the value on PS3 even to cost 800 at launch I completely understand people not buying it. Although I can't understand people that pay 800 for an iPhone.

I think phones are more of a status symbol than game consoles are, so the desire to get one is higher.

When I said "I can't understand" was in figurative way, as in it doesn't makes sense to me.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

Althought I see the value on PS3 even to cost 800 at launch I completely understand people not buying it. Although I can't understand people that pay 800 for an iPhone.

Others people money is not an issue for "understanding" imo. I think a brand power is a strong factor here.

Just like people who buy 1k $ Swiss watch dont necessarily seek a.. watch, more like ... prestige.



KingofTrolls said:
DonFerrari said:

Althought I see the value on PS3 even to cost 800 at launch I completely understand people not buying it. Although I can't understand people that pay 800 for an iPhone.

Others people money is not an issue for "understanding" imo. I think a brand power is a strong factor here.

Just like people who buy 1k $ Swiss watch dont necessarily seek a.. watch, more like ... prestige.

Poor people buy prestige =p



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

VGPolyglot said:
KBG29 said:

It is always the consumers fault when they get ripped off, or buy bad products. We have had the ability to do our own research on every purchase we make for decades. You know you want something, you reach out to professional(s), you read form(s), you check book(s), and browse search engine(s), you gather a list of potential product(s) for whatever your need is. Then you reasearch each product, and see if it is good for you. People should be smart enough to find obscure products, see through both positive and negative reviews, and make a strong decision. 

I know most people just buy, and it is unrealistic to expect people actually think about the way they spend their money. At the end of the day, we all have the ability to find the best products, and it should not be a matter of propaganda and persuasion that determines what we buy. This is for everything, not just consoles or elctronics. 

I don't understand your argument here, you said it's always the consumers' fault when they get ripped off/buy bad products, but then critique consumers for not buying the launch PS3. Maybe they decided that $599 USD was a rip-off? It doesn't matter is Sony loses money on each unit, it's still an expensive price that was just not justifiable/affordable for most people. They then waited until the PS3 was cheaper and more acceptable price-wise. I'm sorry, but you're essentially the only person I see who keeps on clamouring for a PS phone, I haven't seen a single other person who supports such an idea.

It comes down to people buying crap products, because they watch commercials, or listen to others instead of doing their own research, and thinking about their own needs. As I said, it happens well beyond electronics and consoles. 

My biggest thing with the launch PS3, was the amount of people that bought Wii, 360, and a Blu-ray player, and complained about all the money they spent, and the dissappointment in the products. I know it is just the couple 100 people I knew at the time, but you can only here people say how they bought this Wii that the kids never touch anymore, the 360 that ended up broke, and the Blu-ray player that doesn't support movies, before you just can't stop shaking your head. It is especially irritating when people come and ask what would give me this list these features? You say well such, and such device does all of that. Then they turn around and buy a different device, and then ask what device should I get for this feature since the thing I bought doesn't have it. Then you say, well this device would be the best and the cheapest. Then they go buy a more expensive, and less cabaple device, and the cycle continues over and over. People always buying things that don't do what they want, then complaining well I spent this much and this POS still won't do what I want.

As for the PS Phone thing, I know it is not a hot idea here, and hell based on what I was just saying, it probably would end up being the same situation. However, I constantly here people saying how awesome it would be if they could play X multiplayer game on the go. I know personally, I would also like to play X Multiplayer game or X Single Player game on the go, and the best solution would be a Phone that is always connected for the online gaming, and also shares the library of games I have already bought on my console, while also sharing the same online network and and user profile. I just listen to what people say they want, and either offer products that alredy deliver that, or give ideas for products that could deliver that. But, as I said above, even if the product exsists, and I show people it checks all of their wants and needs, it still doesn't translate into people actually buying it.

DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

I don't understand your argument here, you said it's always the consumers' fault when they get ripped off/buy bad products, but then critique consumers for not buying the launch PS3. Maybe they decided that $599 USD was a rip-off? It doesn't matter is Sony loses money on each unit, it's still an expensive price that was just not justifiable/affordable for most people. They then waited until the PS3 was cheaper and more acceptable price-wise. I'm sorry, but you're essentially the only person I see who keeps on clamouring for a PS phone, I haven't seen a single other person who supports such an idea.

Althought I see the value on PS3 even to cost 800 at launch I completely understand people not buying it. Although I can't understand people that pay 800 for an iPhone.

I feel the same. As in the example above. I knew many people that spent $250 on a Wii, $400 on a 360, over $1000 on a blu-ray player, and an unknown range on a PC. I was getting everything all of those products offered for $600, and when people had to replace their 360, Blu-ray player, and PC, because they broke, didn't support newer media, or became to slow, I was still using my same $600 PS3. 

On the phone side of things, I just can't wrap my head around people paying anywhere from $400 - $1000 a year for a phone that costs $200 - $300 to make. Then they buy accessories, because the thing is so brittle, yet they still break it, and end up getting a replacement, or upgrading again. The biggest kicker, is they do this and go, "all I use this for is calling texting, and a little web browsing and GPS", why do these things cost me $600 a year. Again, just shaking my head.



Stop hate, let others live the life they were given. Everyone has their problems, and no one should have to feel ashamed for the way they were born. Be proud of who you are, encourage others to be proud of themselves. Learn, research, absorb everything around you. Nothing is meaningless, a purpose is placed on everything no matter how you perceive it. Discover how to love, and share that love with everything that you encounter. Help make existence a beautiful thing.

Kevyn B Grams
10/03/2010 

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