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Pemalite said:

Then console gamers will miss out on Elder Scrolls, Battlefield, Call of Duty, Quake, Unreal, PUBG, Half Life, Portal, Left 4 Dead, The Sims, Minecraft... List goes on as they were all PC Exclusive at one point.

It's a good thing they are multiplatform, it exposes more gamers to amazing games... And ultimately that is what our "hobby" is about, playing fun games.

Exclusives only benefit the platform holder, not the consumer.

With that in mind... Because I am primarily a PC gamer who also owns consoles... And because something like the Xbox One X has zero exclusives... I have no reason to use it, so it's a double edged sword. - But on the bright side, at-least I get to play my favorite games on my preferred platform.

From this list the only one I cared to play was the Sims in PC back in early 2000. So I wouldn't miss those not making to console.

Pemalite said:
Azuren said:

Since most of those are first person and the other two don't interest me... I could live with that.

JRPG's are pretty much the main genre that never had much PC exclusivity.

But it also means games like Neverwinter Nights, Baldurs Gate, Command and Conquer, Diablo, StarCraft, The Witcher, Civilization, Warhammer, Age of Empires, Supreme Commander and so on would have also never made it to console.

I could probably keep listing games... But you get my point. PC isn't just FPS.

From this list only C&C, Civilization and AoE I have played and also on PC. Again wouldn't miss not coming to console.

Otter said:
Zoombael said:

If you cant even answer to the first half of your initial question yourself. The most prestigious and anticipated games of this generation are exclusives and it doesnt come to your mind that their above average quality has anything to do with their exclusive status.

You re just confirming my view on the games community. A place inhabited by to much irrational to discuss rationally.

 

Then let me ask, how are platform holders are supposed to compete against one another...

I'm really choking at the irony of every point you try and make. Critical thinking and comprehension is key, use it to avoid falling into the same category of irrational person you're looking down on. Instead of answering a question with another question, try and extrapolate over the correlation you made. Exclusives aren't magically better than non exclusive games, if so why? The benefits afforded to being exclusive are easier optimisation and somewhat reduced development times, but this really doesn't shape the diversity of a game, or make it vastly different experience. What you're correlating in terms of the most anticipated games and exclusives is specific to 1st party exclusives, a distinction which obviously needs to be made. 

First party exclusives benefit from the ambitions of the platform holders/publishers (sony/microsoft/nintendo) not operating primarily as a software business. Their concern is producing system selling software, shifting hardware in the process and catering to a wide userbase. As a result developers generally get given more freedom and strive for the highest quality, but this of course doesn't garauntee quality. However what the OP is talking about is all games (3rd party) being made for one platform in mind. Which is why I posed, what is to gain? EA  publishing and developing  Battlefront II for the PS4 wouldn't have made it any less of a cash grab. FFXIII being made exclusively for PS3 wouldn't have made it any less linear. Titanfall 2 and Rise of the Tomb Raider managed to surpass their (timed) exclusive predecessors on metacritic. Meanwhile being exclusive didn't save The Order/Rise, or magically make Knack next the Mario. 

By all means, maybe you have a point that I've missed but you're going to have to make it. And more than a loose correlation this time.

I guess you missed the part that the platform holder helping to finance the game would overlook the process to see if the quality is satisfactory as they do with their internal games.

Seventizz said:
Well, there is one benefit that actually helps all gamers. Take Rise of the Tomb Raider. Square publicly had sworn off the franchise after the reboot before it didn’t meet inititial financial expectations. MS stepped in and helped fund Rise in lieu of marketing and timed exclusivity. Eventually the game launched on the ps4 opening the audience. So, would it be better had the game not been made at all?

Considering how much sales were lost because of the timed exclusivity I'm not sure if that was the best option for RoTR, even more because it was already at development and near finishing when MS offered the timed exclusivity.

Azzanation said:
CGI-Quality said:

As are many console fans, despite the bickering. And it doesn't matter if consoles support cross-play or not, the "fighting and arguing" will always exist. To think otherwise is extremely naive.

The point you missed is it happens far more in the console market. Aslong as consoles exists there will always be petty arguments. This is a small thing in the PC industry.

I go to work and see many new faces, i talk about games to my staff and i see PC gamers accepting eachother all the time, where as i see people getting neglected because they game on the wrong console. Thats what i personally see everyday, i am sure there are examples where there are console gamers who get along however there are also those who dislike eachother because they like B better than A consoles. Thats my point, weather it goes away wont happen aslong as we have consoles and exclusives.

DonFerrari said:

If you have this massive library, why are you here arguing them?

Whos arguing? I am sure not, just stating my opinion while at work, what can i say its a quiet day for me. ;)

So console gamer are arguing because of lack of good games, but you are just giving opinion while at work... you certainly have made a big research to come to those premises.



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DonFerrari said: 
Azzanation said:

The point you missed is it happens far more in the console market. Aslong as consoles exists there will always be petty arguments. This is a small thing in the PC industry.

I go to work and see many new faces, i talk about games to my staff and i see PC gamers accepting eachother all the time, where as i see people getting neglected because they game on the wrong console. Thats what i personally see everyday, i am sure there are examples where there are console gamers who get along however there are also those who dislike eachother because they like B better than A consoles. Thats my point, weather it goes away wont happen aslong as we have consoles and exclusives.

Whos arguing? I am sure not, just stating my opinion while at work, what can i say its a quiet day for me. ;)

So console gamer are arguing because of lack of good games, but you are just giving opinion while at work... you certainly have made a big research to come to those premises.

No, console gamers argue all the time. Its an obvious thing to see. I personally see it everywhere, i can name many places but i am not here to make huge lists or to prove my point when its around you the whole time. I state what i see. Its my opinion afterall.

CGI-Quality said:
Azzanation said:

The point you missed is it happens far more in the console market. Aslong as consoles exists there will always be petty arguments. This is a small thing in the PC industry.

I go to work and see many new faces, i talk about games to my staff and i see PC gamers accepting eachother all the time, where as i see people getting neglected because they game on the wrong console. Thats what i personally see everyday, i am sure there are examples where there are console gamers who get along however there are also those who dislike eachother because they like B better than A consoles. Thats my point, weather it goes away wont happen aslong as we have consoles and exclusives.

Eh, I didn't miss any points. I just say you're wrong. Petty arguments will exist regardless of the criteria. Your anecdote about your work life is just that. A sudden loss of exclusives won't remove humans from being humans. If there is something to have an opinion about, there will always be differing of views. 

I can easily say your wrong aswell. And ill tell you why, PC gamers dont bicker about exclusives because on PC there accessable to everyone. Where as the console market there is a ton of bickering.

Id agree humans will be humans if you give them the chance to be humans. PC solved its problem by making everything universal (unlike Apple) aslong as console manufacturers keep creating consoles and making exclusives there will always be petty arguments. You see it all the time on these sites and how many times have you banned PC gamers for arguing at each other over exclusive games on PC? Hence my point.



Azzanation said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Do you not see how hypocritical this post is? Even just in the fact that you are suggesting that console gamers are "in fighting" if they're having a disagreement between Xbox or PS4, there is as much connection between a gamer who likes the PS4 over the X1 as there is the Ps4 over the PC, don't think of gaming industry as Consoles Vs PC, doesn't work like that in the slightest, just because it isn't your camp of choice that doesn't mean that every other perceived enemy of yours automatically should love each other as a console ally, it's actually insane a way to think.

Would pretty much be the same if anyone who owned a Ps4 considered it "in fighting" if Switch/X1 and PC gamers were fighting among themselves. Stop creating a Them Vs Us battle in your head , that's not how things work in reality.

Wouldn't take 5 mins to find one of total biscuits sad rants about some game not being ported to the PC from consoles or crying because a game is also going to be on the consoles btw, would link one but his channel doesn't deserve the google metric.

Haha the point isnt consoles vs PCs, its console fans vs console fans. PC fans dont argue with eachother about games and exclusives, you are bringing up console vs PC wars. Thats an entirly different issue. 

Iv made it pretty simple that PC gamers dont fight amongst themselves due to the fact majority of PC gamers have access to the same games. Where as console gamers fight between eachother on which platform and games are better. Its pretty clear to see it, just go on any topic and read or watch the bickering. 

Hope you understand my point now, i cannot make it any simpler.

Please know this statement of yours is just opinion rather than fact though, there is internal bickering of what games appear on what platform, I've heard a ton of upset gamers on the battle.net client because of the activision games being put onto it, first Destiny 2 and now Black Cops IIIIIIII, people who enjoy WoW/Overwatch/Heartstone don't want their service cluttered with that rubbish on there.

At the same time the fact that Quantum break was "exclusively" available to Win10 store obviously caused grief in gamers as it now has been ported over to steam to allow all PC gamers play it given that there is obvious disdain for games for windows live 2.0, same goes with Killer Instinct coming over to Steam, it wouldn't have been a big thing if that was a game which in fact was open to all PC gamers beforehand simply because certain gamers will not go near certain stores because of their ownership or history.

Just read comments on one of the articles regarding it to see... but you can't really have missed it for however long you've been alive so you can just go back to thinking that every PC gamer is in a happy Zen state with all others.

https://www.pcgamer.com/killer-instinct-on-steam-will-support-cross-play-with-windows-10-and-xbox-one/#comment-jump



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Pemalite said:
Azuren said:

Since most of those are first person and the other two don't interest me... I could live with that.

JRPG's are pretty much the main genre that never had much PC exclusivity.

But it also means games like Neverwinter Nights, Baldurs Gate, Command and Conquer, Diablo, StarCraft, The Witcher, Civilization, Warhammer, Age of Empires, Supreme Commander and so on would have also never made it to console.

I could probably keep listing games... But you get my point. PC isn't just FPS.

Right. It's also a lot of RTS.



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Ganoncrotch said:
Azzanation said:

Haha the point isnt consoles vs PCs, its console fans vs console fans. PC fans dont argue with eachother about games and exclusives, you are bringing up console vs PC wars. Thats an entirly different issue. 

Iv made it pretty simple that PC gamers dont fight amongst themselves due to the fact majority of PC gamers have access to the same games. Where as console gamers fight between eachother on which platform and games are better. Its pretty clear to see it, just go on any topic and read or watch the bickering. 

Hope you understand my point now, i cannot make it any simpler.

Please know this statement of yours is just opinion rather than fact though, there is internal bickering of what games appear on what platform, I've heard a ton of upset gamers on the battle.net client because of the activision games being put onto it, first Destiny 2 and now Black Cops IIIIIIII, people who enjoy WoW/Overwatch/Heartstone don't want their service cluttered with that rubbish on there.

At the same time the fact that Quantum break was "exclusively" available to Win10 store obviously caused grief in gamers as it now has been ported over to steam to allow all PC gamers play it given that there is obvious disdain for games for windows live 2.0, same goes with Killer Instinct coming over to Steam, it wouldn't have been a big thing if that was a game which in fact was open to all PC gamers beforehand simply because certain gamers will not go near certain stores because of their ownership or history.

Just read comments on one of the articles regarding it to see... but you can't really have missed it for however long you've been alive so you can just go back to thinking that every PC gamer is in a happy Zen state with all others.

https://www.pcgamer.com/killer-instinct-on-steam-will-support-cross-play-with-windows-10-and-xbox-one/#comment-jump

I understand what you are saying but you are still bringing up another issue. PC gamers can be critical on what serves them best in terms of apps etc however PC gamers don't normally argue about games on PC within each other. Its almost none existent in the PC community because they can still play the game regardless if they like the apps they use or not. In the console market place, its an entire battlefield in comparisons, where it actually leads to bullying and insulting remarks to one another because Gamer (A) likes Console (B) while Gamer (B) loves console (A) exclusives etc. 

I criticize PC all the time, lately iv been hitting on Steam, a program iv had for more than 12 years with over 1000 paid games and one of my most used apps on my PC, that's a personal issue with me and Steam and not a community issue.. and when it comes to the games its like everyone is at peace within each other because we all respect the fact we can play the same games. Adding Exclusives so others cannot play them is one of the main issues why console gamers fight within each other. Sure PC has exclusives within the market place but those exclusives are based on free software which is accessible to everyone, those PC gamers that don't want to use a app because they don't like it is under there own decision and choice, no one is forcing there hand to buy another platform to play a game.



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Azuren said:
Pemalite said:

JRPG's are pretty much the main genre that never had much PC exclusivity.

But it also means games like Neverwinter Nights, Baldurs Gate, Command and Conquer, Diablo, StarCraft, The Witcher, Civilization, Warhammer, Age of Empires, Supreme Commander and so on would have also never made it to console.

I could probably keep listing games... But you get my point. PC isn't just FPS.

Right. It's also a lot of RTS.

And RPG. And TBS. And MMO. And MOBA.



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Pemalite said:
Azuren said:

Right. It's also a lot of RTS.

And RPG. And TBS. And MMO. And MOBA.

And point&click adventures.



Azzanation said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Please know this statement of yours is just opinion rather than fact though, there is internal bickering of what games appear on what platform, I've heard a ton of upset gamers on the battle.net client because of the activision games being put onto it, first Destiny 2 and now Black Cops IIIIIIII, people who enjoy WoW/Overwatch/Heartstone don't want their service cluttered with that rubbish on there.

At the same time the fact that Quantum break was "exclusively" available to Win10 store obviously caused grief in gamers as it now has been ported over to steam to allow all PC gamers play it given that there is obvious disdain for games for windows live 2.0, same goes with Killer Instinct coming over to Steam, it wouldn't have been a big thing if that was a game which in fact was open to all PC gamers beforehand simply because certain gamers will not go near certain stores because of their ownership or history.

Just read comments on one of the articles regarding it to see... but you can't really have missed it for however long you've been alive so you can just go back to thinking that every PC gamer is in a happy Zen state with all others.

https://www.pcgamer.com/killer-instinct-on-steam-will-support-cross-play-with-windows-10-and-xbox-one/#comment-jump

I understand what you are saying but you are still bringing up another issue. PC gamers can be critical on what serves them best in terms of apps etc however PC gamers don't normally argue about games on PC within each other. Its almost none existent in the PC community because they can still play the game regardless if they like the apps they use or not. In the console market place, its an entire battlefield in comparisons, where it actually leads to bullying and insulting remarks to one another because Gamer (A) likes Console (B) while Gamer (B) loves console (A) exclusives etc. 

I criticize PC all the time, lately iv been hitting on Steam, a program iv had for more than 12 years with over 1000 paid games and one of my most used apps on my PC, that's a personal issue with me and Steam and not a community issue.. and when it comes to the games its like everyone is at peace within each other because we all respect the fact we can play the same games. Adding Exclusives so others cannot play them is one of the main issues why console gamers fight within each other. Sure PC has exclusives within the market place but those exclusives are based on free software which is accessible to everyone, those PC gamers that don't want to use a app because they don't like it is under there own decision and choice, no one is forcing there hand to buy another platform to play a game.

Yet PC gamers are all the time complaining about not getting ports of console peasantry right?



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Conina said:
Pemalite said:

And RPG. And TBS. And MMO. And MOBA.

And point&click adventures.

And Simulators.



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DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:

I understand what you are saying but you are still bringing up another issue. PC gamers can be critical on what serves them best in terms of apps etc however PC gamers don't normally argue about games on PC within each other. Its almost none existent in the PC community because they can still play the game regardless if they like the apps they use or not. In the console market place, its an entire battlefield in comparisons, where it actually leads to bullying and insulting remarks to one another because Gamer (A) likes Console (B) while Gamer (B) loves console (A) exclusives etc. 

I criticize PC all the time, lately iv been hitting on Steam, a program iv had for more than 12 years with over 1000 paid games and one of my most used apps on my PC, that's a personal issue with me and Steam and not a community issue.. and when it comes to the games its like everyone is at peace within each other because we all respect the fact we can play the same games. Adding Exclusives so others cannot play them is one of the main issues why console gamers fight within each other. Sure PC has exclusives within the market place but those exclusives are based on free software which is accessible to everyone, those PC gamers that don't want to use a app because they don't like it is under there own decision and choice, no one is forcing there hand to buy another platform to play a game.

Yet PC gamers are all the time complaining about not getting ports of console peasantry right?

All the time?.

What about when the opposite happens with console gamers complaining of not getting those PC ports?.

 

It's not a one way street.



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