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Teeqoz on 21 May 2018
Snoopy said:
the-pi-guy said:

I'm wondering how on Earth, the Death Note movie has anything to do with this thread.  

 

Movie was a tragedy, and L was almost a highlight.  

The character "L" seemed force for diversity reason imo. Completly different from the anime show.

I haven't seen the anime show, the fact that L was black didn't really seem anymore forced than if he was white or whatever. It was just a colour. The only thing that may seem forced about it was that it differs from the source material, but based on what I've heard, there is so much else in the movie that differs from the source material, so why you'd get hung up on the skin colour of L, I do not comprehend.

 

@OP, your argument would be aided a lot if you gave specific examples of movies or games or whatever where diversity came at the expense of the story. In most cases, it doesn't really matter. It's not like if you write a random character, the default of that character is white, heterosexual, and if (s)he's black or gay or whatever, then that's a change. Characters start out as a blank slate.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2018&p=.htm

Those are the top grossing movies of 2018. What movies there had a detrimentally diverse cast in your opinion?



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DonFerrari on 21 May 2018
MrWayne said:
DonFerrari said:

Hiring someone that is less qualified isn't a good policy and government demanding that from companies are making invasions on free market where they should be kept out.

But you essentially answered another person that defied anyone to prove that it was a thing to hire a less qualified female just to hit a quota.

how can you let qualification determine everything, if not all have the same chance of qualifying?
The managers of the largest companies have a huge impact on our society and politics. So it is fair to have a balanced representation there.

This quota could have a negative impact in the short term, but in the long term, companies will ensure that their female employees are given equivalent training to their male colleagues.

Companies need to have a single objective, follow the profit. Anything else is bad for business. If the money come from hiring more female leaders to give a different vision to the company that is good, they decided. If the government demands someone hire more woman and the company need to hire less qualified to fill a quota the company will be less efficient, cost more and lose money.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

epicurean on 21 May 2018
DonFerrari said:
epicurean said:
Im somewhere in the middle I guess. I'm for more female leads, because, obviously, females are 50% of the population, so it would make sense for them to be around 50% of the leads. I do feel like there's over-representation of non gender norms, though - there seems to be way more than the 3% or so that the general population matches.

It's a fine line, it's obvious and over the top in some movies (The Last Jedi), and well done and unnoticeable in others (Rogue One). I read one of the books leading up to The Last Jedi about Princess Leia - pretty good book - but there was a random character brought up 2/3s through the book, immediately noted he was gay, got teased for it, and then wasn't in the book again. It was the most obvious shoehorn I'd ever read. Literally 1 or 2 pages on him in the entire book, all about him being gay. I feel pretty sure that it was mandated.

It's obvious that in the past that straight white males were over represented, that there's a market now for some diversity (Black Panther), and generally its good to have characters that people who identify with can look up to. It's also terribly story breaking when it's obvious and poorly done, and by doing it too much causes more issues than it fixes.

Anyone complained about lack of white people on Black Panther?

Personally, I thought the one white guy in it was shoehorned in and think the movie would've been better without him.



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areason on 21 May 2018
DonFerrari said:
epicurean said:
Im somewhere in the middle I guess. I'm for more female leads, because, obviously, females are 50% of the population, so it would make sense for them to be around 50% of the leads. I do feel like there's over-representation of non gender norms, though - there seems to be way more than the 3% or so that the general population matches.

It's a fine line, it's obvious and over the top in some movies (The Last Jedi), and well done and unnoticeable in others (Rogue One). I read one of the books leading up to The Last Jedi about Princess Leia - pretty good book - but there was a random character brought up 2/3s through the book, immediately noted he was gay, got teased for it, and then wasn't in the book again. It was the most obvious shoehorn I'd ever read. Literally 1 or 2 pages on him in the entire book, all about him being gay. I feel pretty sure that it was mandated.

It's obvious that in the past that straight white males were over represented, that there's a market now for some diversity (Black Panther), and generally its good to have characters that people who identify with can look up to. It's also terribly story breaking when it's obvious and poorly done, and by doing it too much causes more issues than it fixes.

Anyone complained about lack of white people on Black Panther?

No gay characters as well! 



DonFerrari on 21 May 2018
epicurean said:
DonFerrari said:

Anyone complained about lack of white people on Black Panther?

Personally, I thought the one white guy in it was shoehorned in and think the movie would've been better without him.

I'm still to watch it, probably will think the same. But we won't have protests, because more equality and representation is actually only sought at as more privileges for my group.

areason said:
DonFerrari said:

Anyone complained about lack of white people on Black Panther?

No gay characters as well! 

Unacceptable.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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areason on 21 May 2018
MrWayne said:

how can you let qualification determine everything, if not everyone have the same chance to get that qualification?
The managers of the largest companies have a huge impact on our society and politics. So it is fair to have a balanced representation there.

This quota could have a negative impact in the short term, but in the long term, companies will ensure that their female employees are given equivalent education to their male colleagues.

The way the free market works is that if you disregarding individuals because of biases you will lose out. 

Let's say a bank didn't accept black clients, another bank would take that marketshare. 

Their isn't a conspiracy theory that males are disregarding female managers and executives to keep each other are the top, if they did so they would lose business.

And even if they did the market would fix that on its own. 



MrWayne on 21 May 2018
DonFerrari said:
MrWayne said:

how can you let qualification determine everything, if not all have the same chance of qualifying?
The managers of the largest companies have a huge impact on our society and politics. So it is fair to have a balanced representation there.

This quota could have a negative impact in the short term, but in the long term, companies will ensure that their female employees are given equivalent training to their male colleagues.

Companies need to have a single objective, follow the profit. Anything else is bad for business. If the money come from hiring more female leaders to give a different vision to the company that is good, they decided. If the government demands someone hire more woman and the company need to hire less qualified to fill a quota the company will be less efficient, cost more and lose money.

Companies are regulated by the government in many ways. A complete free market is as utopic as communism, it just don't work in reality.



areason on 21 May 2018
MrWayne said:
DonFerrari said:

Companies need to have a single objective, follow the profit. Anything else is bad for business. If the money come from hiring more female leaders to give a different vision to the company that is good, they decided. If the government demands someone hire more woman and the company need to hire less qualified to fill a quota the company will be less efficient, cost more and lose money.

Companies are regulated by the government in many ways. A complete free market is as utopic as communism, it just don't work in reality.

That doesn't mean that a free market can't exist.



DonFerrari on 21 May 2018

 

MrWayne said:
DonFerrari said:

Companies need to have a single objective, follow the profit. Anything else is bad for business. If the money come from hiring more female leaders to give a different vision to the company that is good, they decided. If the government demands someone hire more woman and the company need to hire less qualified to fill a quota the company will be less efficient, cost more and lose money.

Companies are regulated by the government in many ways. A complete free market is as utopic as communism, it just don't work in reality.

That doesn't mean I have to agree with it.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

MrWayne on 21 May 2018
areason said:
MrWayne said:

Companies are regulated by the government in many ways. A complete free market is as utopic as communism, it just don't work in reality.

That doesn't mean that a free market can't exist.

A full free market does not exist right now, has never existed in the past, and I do not see any government seriously trying to get one in the future. That's proof enough for me.