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DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

Batman is a title, same with Tomb Raider, that's not the same of specific people such as Bruce Wayne and Lara Croft. Since Batman is just a title anyone can inherit/claim/steal/etc. it, same with the Tomb Raider.

Still in decades it didn't need to change to keep relevance.

Um, yeah it does, there's a reason why Tomb Raider has had 2 reboots, because change was needed.



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DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

Batman is a title, same with Tomb Raider, that's not the same of specific people such as Bruce Wayne and Lara Croft. Since Batman is just a title anyone can inherit/claim/steal/etc. it, same with the Tomb Raider.

Still in decades it didn't need to change to keep relevance.

The characters have changed. Bruce Wayne has had different characterizations and the Lara Croft of the recent reboot is different than the earlier versions.



VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

Still in decades it didn't need to change to keep relevance.

Um, yeah it does, there's a reason why Tomb Raider has had 2 reboots, because change was needed.

And they didn't change the core of her being a white rich british woman. The reboots made weren't because of the char itself but gameplay, stagnation of the gameplay, multiple bad games in succession, etc.

HomokHarcos said:
DonFerrari said:

Still in decades it didn't need to change to keep relevance.

The characters have changed. Bruce Wayne has had different characterizations and the Lara Croft of the recent reboot is different than the earlier versions.

In any of them did BW stopped being a rich white man that suffered the loss of both parents at young age or LC a rich white british woman that lost the father during teens or early adulthood? They changed very little to both. He said Batman and Tomb Raider are titles and they could be filled by someone not BW or LC, neither happened.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

Um, yeah it does, there's a reason why Tomb Raider has had 2 reboots, because change was needed.

And they didn't change the core of her being a white rich british woman. The reboots made weren't because of the char itself but gameplay, stagnation of the gameplay, multiple bad games in succession, etc.

HomokHarcos said:

The characters have changed. Bruce Wayne has had different characterizations and the Lara Croft of the recent reboot is different than the earlier versions.

In any of them did BW stopped being a rich white man that suffered the loss of both parents at young age or LC a rich white british woman that lost the father during teens or early adulthood? They changed very little to both. He said Batman and Tomb Raider are titles and they could be filled by someone not BW or LC, neither happened.

And there we go, you obviously don't know Lara Croft's original backstory because in the original series her parents don't die when she's young, that was added in the reboot.



VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

And they didn't change the core of her being a white rich british woman. The reboots made weren't because of the char itself but gameplay, stagnation of the gameplay, multiple bad games in succession, etc.

In any of them did BW stopped being a rich white man that suffered the loss of both parents at young age or LC a rich white british woman that lost the father during teens or early adulthood? They changed very little to both. He said Batman and Tomb Raider are titles and they could be filled by someone not BW or LC, neither happened.

And there we go, you obviously don't know Lara Croft's original backstory because in the original series her parents don't die when she's young, that was added in the reboot.

I guess you are right, I don't remember ever seeing LC parents on the first 2 games of the original series, she was alone with the butler on the manor... and in the 2000 and 2013 reboots she was orphan.

Still white rich british woman (also in neither game she being orphan was much of a starting point for her as char, at most it's used on the Rise to put the stepmother as plot element).

Also the relevant point is that you said Batman and TR are titles that others could inherit... both are still pertaining to same BW and LC.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

And there we go, you obviously don't know Lara Croft's original backstory because in the original series her parents don't die when she's young, that was added in the reboot.

I guess you are right, I don't remember ever seeing LC parents on the first 2 games of the original series, she was alone with the butler on the manor... and in the 2000 and 2013 reboots she was orphan.

Still white rich british woman (also in neither game she being orphan was much of a starting point for her as char, at most it's used on the Rise to put the stepmother as plot element).

Also the relevant point is that you said Batman and TR are titles that others could inherit... both are still pertaining to same BW and LC.

Her parents disowned her in the original series, as they disapproved of her lifestyle. Again, you're wrong, there have been multiple Batmans, not just Bruce Wayne:

https://screenrant.com/batman-characters-not-bruce-wayne/



VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

I guess you are right, I don't remember ever seeing LC parents on the first 2 games of the original series, she was alone with the butler on the manor... and in the 2000 and 2013 reboots she was orphan.

Still white rich british woman (also in neither game she being orphan was much of a starting point for her as char, at most it's used on the Rise to put the stepmother as plot element).

Also the relevant point is that you said Batman and TR are titles that others could inherit... both are still pertaining to same BW and LC.

Her parents disowned her in the original series, as they disapproved of her lifestyle. Again, you're wrong, there have been multiple Batmans, not just Bruce Wayne:

https://screenrant.com/batman-characters-not-bruce-wayne/

Have you read your own source to see how those were small archs and situations, but none of them truly became batman?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

Her parents disowned her in the original series, as they disapproved of her lifestyle. Again, you're wrong, there have been multiple Batmans, not just Bruce Wayne:

https://screenrant.com/batman-characters-not-bruce-wayne/

Have you read your own source to see how those were small archs and situations, but none of them truly became batman?

Oh great, now we're going into ways to discredit my evidence because you made a statement about there being no other Batmans despite that not being the case.



VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

Have you read your own source to see how those were small archs and situations, but none of them truly became batman?

Oh great, now we're going into ways to discredit my evidence because you made a statement about there being no other Batmans despite that not being the case.

Small archs, alternative storylines and other minor deviations hardly sustain as evidence.

This is like saying the Speaker of the House of the Representatives is the president because in some situations with President and Vice-President unavailable he have "the power". Should we also hang his picture on the white house and number him as one president? I'm sure if we were to consider all the ones that temporarily assumed the president position the walls would be unseen due to so many presidential pictures.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

Oh great, now we're going into ways to discredit my evidence because you made a statement about there being no other Batmans despite that not being the case.

Small archs, alternative storylines and other minor deviations hardly sustain as evidence.

This is like saying the Speaker of the House of the Representatives is the president because in some situations with President and Vice-President unavailable he have "the power". Should we also hang his picture on the white house and number him as one president? I'm sure if we were to consider all the ones that temporarily assumed the president position the walls would be unseen due to so many presidential pictures.

Did the Speakers of the House ever call themselves the President? If not, your comparison is invalid.