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RuiOrey on 09 June 2018
bugrimmar said:
The aforementioned battlefield 5 trailer has around 300k likes and 400k dislikes. Glad that a lot of people aren't taking this BS lying down.

Ok man, lets say there is an over emaphasis on inclusion. In some sense, yes is a fashion tematic nowdays.

But..
some years ago, when there was no worries about inclusion at all and the inverse happened - an over emphasis on white male protagonist spilling into our entertainment -  did it caused that uproar statistic of 300k or 400k dislikes?
A lot of people deny global warming and belive in reptilians, join isis, love kim kardashian, etc, etc.
Statistical dominance is just popularity, does not make something truth or right(well of course truth becomes what we all belive in a certain point of view)

My question :
Was not also - the over emphasis on white male protagonist spilling into our entertainment - a reason for people to be tired and 500k dislikes in the past?
Did they happened at the time?  
Why?

Cheers!

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EnricoPallazzo on 09 June 2018

DonFerrari I really admire your patience on dealing with those "arguments".
I really dont know how you can have such a patience. Reading all these comments all I can think is that famous Mark Twain quote.



DonFerrari on 09 June 2018
RuiOrey said:
DonFerrari said:

Your search would be as good as mine on this glory site =p

I don't keep close attention to it, but someone just made the Boxart of a prostetic woman fighting in WW2 I believe for Battlefield.

Ok, so I've watched trailers for battlefield 3 and 4. For me it seemed like a Michael Bay ultra-americanized "reality".
So not properly accurate in terms of reality.
Is that the problem with the new also? Lack of sincrony with reality?

And one more thing: ok I understand this is about Battlefield V boxart and trailer. Are there more examples of games with an "over" - I call it "more than usual" -  emphasis on diversitivy?

Most of the complains about forced diversity is when it's done in cases like these.

Which also answer your other question, even more because 10 years ago several of the means people use to complain today didn't exist so you wouldn't have uphoars on those. But you can be sure if they decided to make catwoman a man in the 90's it would still be bad, just you wouldn't heard much.

EnricoPallazzo said:
DonFerrari I really admire your patience on dealing with those "arguments".
I really dont know how you can have such a patience. Reading all these comments all I can think is that famous Mark Twain quote.

I try to be patient and I like to discuss.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

RuiOrey on 09 June 2018
DonFerrari said:
RuiOrey said:

Ok, so I've watched trailers for battlefield 3 and 4. For me it seemed like a Michael Bay ultra-americanized "reality".
So not properly accurate in terms of reality.
Is that the problem with the new also? Lack of sincrony with reality?

And one more thing: ok I understand this is about Battlefield V boxart and trailer. Are there more examples of games with an "over" - I call it "more than usual" -  emphasis on diversitivy?

Most of the complains about forced diversity is when it's done in cases like these.

Which also answer your other question, even more because 10 years ago several of the means people use to complain today didn't exist so you wouldn't have uphoars on those. But you can be sure if they decided to make catwoman a man in the 90's it would still be bad, just you wouldn't heard much.

EnricoPallazzo said:
DonFerrari I really admire your patience on dealing with those "arguments".
I really dont know how you can have such a patience. Reading all these comments all I can think is that famous Mark Twain quote.

I try to be patient and I like to discuss.

Ok. From what I see for example about new games on E3 I see battlefield and tomb raider having a female character.. much less than male characters. But let's see what you get on E3 if is that extraordinary emphasis. In my view is too much exaggerated and a distraction for people to be divided. Bet let's see.

 

About patience, man if you are tolerating me I can stop. I'm just trying to discuss and it is interesting for me.. That is the reason for foruns to exist I believe. 

Cheers;r!



lightningfunk on 09 June 2018

i totally agree with you



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GOWTLOZ on 09 June 2018
VGPolyglot said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Women need to be logical but don't require the reasoning abilities needed in stuff like stem fields. Everyone needs practical intelligence, that goes without saying. This is my interpretation based on what I've experienced in school, college, events, gatherings and talking to people from all walks of life.

Study: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/02/sorry-girls-but-the-smartest-people-in-the-world-are-all-men/

I'm not saying IQ is everything but there is a reason it is used as a metric in so many areas.

Read the title of that article. Is that something that you think should be taken seriously? It also sources Daily Mail, along with itself, which makes it harder to believe. Also, IQ is used as a metric in so many areas because it's a convenient way to attempt to show intelligence without digging deeper into what it is.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-flawed-and-using-them-alone-to-measure-intelligence-is-a-fallacy-study-8425911.html

https://www.storypick.com/iq-test/

https://www.livestrong.com/article/127284-disadvantages-iq-tests/

Jordan Peterson has talked on this in his classes. You should look it up.



Azuren on 09 June 2018

We need more roles filled like how they filled Ripley's role in Alien:

Write a unisex role. If a love interest is necessary, make that love interest unisex as well. Fill the role with the best actor for the part (best pairing if a love interest is necessary), and that's it. Don't write a strong female for the purpose of having a strong female, because that character will likely suck.



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DonFerrari on 09 June 2018
RuiOrey said:
DonFerrari said:

Most of the complains about forced diversity is when it's done in cases like these.

Which also answer your other question, even more because 10 years ago several of the means people use to complain today didn't exist so you wouldn't have uphoars on those. But you can be sure if they decided to make catwoman a man in the 90's it would still be bad, just you wouldn't heard much.

I try to be patient and I like to discuss.

Ok. From what I see for example about new games on E3 I see battlefield and tomb raider having a female character.. much less than male characters. But let's see what you get on E3 if is that extraordinary emphasis. In my view is too much exaggerated and a distraction for people to be divided. Bet let's see.

 

About patience, man if you are tolerating me I can stop. I'm just trying to discuss and it is interesting for me.. That is the reason for foruns to exist I believe. 

Cheers;r!

Nope, not having to tolerate you. I think he was talking more on all the talks here with ad hominem, fallacies and other non-sense.

TR uses suspension of disbelief as does UC or CoD. But certain historical elements being disregarded is a problem.

Also on the forced diversity we have for example Thor with black and Asian asgardians.

Azuren said:
We need more roles filled like how they filled Ripley's role in Alien:

Write a unisex role. If a love interest is necessary, make that love interest unisex as well. Fill the role with the best actor for the part (best pairing if a love interest is necessary), and that's it. Don't write a strong female for the purpose of having a strong female, because that character will likely suck.

Yep Ripley was an excellent and believable char



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Podings on 09 June 2018

OP, imma be honest with you. You're the one that sounds self entitled.

Creators can appeal to whoever they goddamn please, and you can just NOT buy the games you don't like. It's exactly the same for you as it is the for the people that used to complain about not being represented.



EnricoPallazzo on 09 June 2018
RolStoppable said:
Azuren said:
We need more roles filled like how they filled Ripley's role in Alien:

Write a unisex role. If a love interest is necessary, make that love interest unisex as well. Fill the role with the best actor for the part (best pairing if a love interest is necessary), and that's it. Don't write a strong female for the purpose of having a strong female, because that character will likely suck.

Supergirl doesn't suck.

I think she sucks, you just need to search for the right movie...