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the-pi-guy said:
Aeolus451 said:

studies that seem more like polls....

The first article discusses a study where they showed that a woman leading the testing led to a higher rate of questions answered.  These weren't opinion questions, they were asked math questions.  

The second article is actually this one.

http://www.subjectpool.com/ed_teach/y4general_paper/2009/fulltext-1.pdf

Where they looked at gpa before and after.  

Neither of these are polls.

The point here is that giving women role models (Which is in the group of nurture, not nature), makes them perform better and it makes them more comfort to do these subjects.

Aeolus451 said:

I gave a link earlier with multiple sources, statistics and a break down of the info and the monkey study. You provided polls of women's feelings about stem

The issue I have with this is that you seem to think monkeys are a better indicator of women having specific job preferences than actually asking the women themselves.  

The first one doesn't really mean anything because society is not obligated to provide female professors so they perform better because of biased feelings involving sexes. The writer's conclusion is idiotic.

 With the second one, they would have to ask people questions about themselves to figure out if they "under psychological threat", a "negatively stereotyped" person, etc. School tests are based on performance and can't be biased. If a person doesn't try as hard because of their own self doubt, that's on them. With any field that's competitive, there's gonna be alot of pressure and some people just don't do well in that environment. 

The monkey study is just a part of what I linked and it's meant to be in context with the rest. You're ignoring the rest which is alot stronger evidence in showing that women and men have natural preferences that play the biggest role in choosing professions.



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Aeolus451 said:

The first one doesn't really mean anything because society is not obligated to provide female professors so they perform better because of biased feelings involving sexes. The writer's conclusion is idiotic.

 

Whether or not society is obligated to do something is not justification for ignoring a study.

Aeolus451 said:

The monkey study is just a part of what I linked and it's meant to be in context with the rest. You're ignoring the rest which is alot stronger evidence in showing that women and men have natural preferences that play the biggest role in choosing professions.

On the other hand, you're literally ignoring what women actually say they want.  

Ignoring either the biological components or the cultural components of the problem is incorrect.  They both matter.  



the-pi-guy said:
Aeolus451 said:

The first one doesn't really mean anything because society is not obligated to provide female professors so they perform better because of biased feelings involving sexes. The writer's conclusion is idiotic.

 

Whether or not society is obligated to do something is not justification for ignoring a study.

Aeolus451 said:

The monkey study is just a part of what I linked and it's meant to be in context with the rest. You're ignoring the rest which is alot stronger evidence in showing that women and men have natural preferences that play the biggest role in choosing professions.

On the other hand, you're literally ignoring what women actually say they want.  

Ignoring either the biological components or the cultural components of the problem is incorrect.  They both matter.  

The majority of women don't want x otherwise they'd be doing it. There's no boundaries for them to get any career they want. Even if we made everything as suited as much to women in schooling/training, they'd still prefer certain careers over others. I don't care if there's "not enough" women in certain careers because it's due to natural occurring preferences and not some conspiracy theory plot by men to stop women from having any good jobs. It's not the job of any government to get so involved in people's lives that they're interested in socially engineering people to correct them. If women want to work in certain fields, let 'em.



Aeolus451 said:

The majority of women don't want x otherwise they'd be doing it. There's no boundaries for them to get any career they want. 

Just because people aren't doing something, doesn't mean they don't want to.  I'm not currently doing the job I want to.  

There are certain jobs I would like to do, but probably won't.  

I have personal experience of women not being sure they wanted to go into Computer Science, because it's a male-dominated field. So yes, these things do happen.  Even if there are biological factors that would drive women into different fields, I have personal experience that shows there are also cultural factors. 

Aeolus451 said:

Even if we made everything as suited as much to women in schooling/training, they'd still prefer certain careers over others. I don't care if there's "not enough" women in certain careers because it's due to natural occurring preferences and not some conspiracy theory plot by men to stop women from having any good jobs. 

Literally no one has said this is some kind of conspiracy.

What is being said, is that women have a perception of certain fields being more for men.  And having female role models in those positions makes it more likely for women to consider those positions.  

Aeolus451 said:

It's not the job of any government to get so involved in people's lives that they're interested in socially engineering people to correct them. If women want to work in certain fields, let 'em.

Except the government isn't doing anything.  The people who are doing the most to get people involved in certain fields are private companies, and universities.  Companies like Google, Intel and Facebook, they're the ones that are working on hiring more.  It's not the US government that is doing anything to get women into fields.  



the-pi-guy said:
Aeolus451 said:

The first one doesn't really mean anything because society is not obligated to provide female professors so they perform better because of biased feelings involving sexes. The writer's conclusion is idiotic.

 

Whether or not society is obligated to do something is not justification for ignoring a study.

Aeolus451 said:

The monkey study is just a part of what I linked and it's meant to be in context with the rest. You're ignoring the rest which is alot stronger evidence in showing that women and men have natural preferences that play the biggest role in choosing professions.

On the other hand, you're literally ignoring what women actually say they want.  

Ignoring either the biological components or the cultural components of the problem is incorrect.  They both matter.  

Its real. Women aren't interested in science in the same numbers as men. They aren't into entrepreneurship as men are because they'd rather do a safe and secure job with timely hours. You'll see women talking about themselves as a gender not getting equal oppurtunities but ask them their personal preferences and the differences are visible.



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GOWTLOZ said:
the-pi-guy said:

Whether or not society is obligated to do something is not justification for ignoring a study.

On the other hand, you're literally ignoring what women actually say they want.  

Ignoring either the biological components or the cultural components of the problem is incorrect.  They both matter.  

Its real. Women aren't interested in science in the same numbers as men. They aren't into entrepreneurship as men are because they'd rather do a safe and secure job with timely hours. You'll see women talking about themselves as a gender not getting equal oppurtunities but ask them their personal preferences and the differences are visible.

But why is that the case? We can't just say it's the case and leave it at that, we have to figure out if it's biologically-related or socially-related.



VGPolyglot said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Its real. Women aren't interested in science in the same numbers as men. They aren't into entrepreneurship as men are because they'd rather do a safe and secure job with timely hours. You'll see women talking about themselves as a gender not getting equal oppurtunities but ask them their personal preferences and the differences are visible.

But why is that the case? We can't just say it's the case and leave it at that, we have to figure out if it's biologically-related or socially-related.

Anecdotal but it may have to do with both. Men have to be successful financially to get a partner so they are inclined towards entrepreneurship to get success, fame and women. Women aren't expected to do such things and they don't need to be successful in their career to get a partner. Men are expected to be funny while looking good to attract a mate so they develop their sense of humour. Women are expected to be motherly and don't need to be logical so they see little gains from going into the sciences. It is socially structured as a result of biology and nature itself suggests so.

A study showed that women have IQ's close to a 100 with little deviation towards the high and low end while men's IQ is spread across the spectrum. This is why most business people and astrophysicists are men while most people in mental asylums are men as well. It makes sense, men are throwaway by nature as 1 man can impregnate many women for the growth of the populace but every woman is needed to give birth to children so nature is experimental with men.



GOWTLOZ said:
VGPolyglot said:

But why is that the case? We can't just say it's the case and leave it at that, we have to figure out if it's biologically-related or socially-related.

Anecdotal but it may have to do with both. Men have to be successful financially to get a partner so they are inclined towards entrepreneurship to get success, fame and women. Women aren't expected to do such things and they don't need to be successful in their career to get a partner. Men are expected to be funny while looking good to attract a mate so they develop their sense of humour. Women are expected to be motherly and don't need to be logical so they see little gains from going into the sciences. It is socially structured as a result of biology and nature itself suggests so.

A study showed that women have IQ's close to a 100 with little deviation towards the high and low end while men's IQ is spread across the spectrum. This is why most business people and astrophysicists are men while most people in mental asylums are men as well. It makes sense, men are throwaway by nature as 1 man can impregnate many women for the growth of the populace but every woman is needed to give birth to children so nature is experimental with men.

Yeah, you lost me here. What study are you talking about? Even if that's the case, there are still extreme flaws with measuring by one's IQ. Women don't need to be logical? In fact, it's the exact opposite, women need to be logical because would you want an illogical person raising a child?



VGPolyglot said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Anecdotal but it may have to do with both. Men have to be successful financially to get a partner so they are inclined towards entrepreneurship to get success, fame and women. Women aren't expected to do such things and they don't need to be successful in their career to get a partner. Men are expected to be funny while looking good to attract a mate so they develop their sense of humour. Women are expected to be motherly and don't need to be logical so they see little gains from going into the sciences. It is socially structured as a result of biology and nature itself suggests so.

A study showed that women have IQ's close to a 100 with little deviation towards the high and low end while men's IQ is spread across the spectrum. This is why most business people and astrophysicists are men while most people in mental asylums are men as well. It makes sense, men are throwaway by nature as 1 man can impregnate many women for the growth of the populace but every woman is needed to give birth to children so nature is experimental with men.

Yeah, you lost me here. What study are you talking about? Even if that's the case, there are still extreme flaws with measuring by one's IQ. Women don't need to be logical? In fact, it's the exact opposite, women need to be logical because would you want an illogical person raising a child?

Women need to be logical but don't require the reasoning abilities needed in stuff like stem fields. Everyone needs practical intelligence, that goes without saying. This is my interpretation based on what I've experienced in school, college, events, gatherings and talking to people from all walks of life.

Study: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/02/sorry-girls-but-the-smartest-people-in-the-world-are-all-men/

I'm not saying IQ is everything but there is a reason it is used as a metric in so many areas.



GOWTLOZ said:

Anecdotal but it may have to do with both. 

Which is literally what I said in the post you quoted a few posts ago.  

Both culture and biology impact these types of things.