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massimus said:
What’s your solution, H.E.R? Yes, people targeting schools and soft targets with large unarmed crowds are a problem. What realistic laws would have stopped this? It’s terrorism. You know that the 2nd amendment won’t be repealed any time soon. Confiscation is unrealistic and won’t work. What would you do? I personally think we should hire vets or retired police to guard schools. Not useless security guards but trained people ready and willing to die for these kids protection, it’s unfortunate but it’s the only realistic way to deal with this imo.

Security guards aren't enough. The one in Parkland ran away and the one in Santa Fe was shot. I've stated before in this very thread I'm actually a 2nd Amendment supporter even if it doesn't seem like it right away. I do believe an American citizen has a right to defend his home and anyone trespassing should be at risk of getting shot. That militia crap though? Unless you're arming citizens with missiles and assault rifles, you're not taking down any army anytime soon nor do I believe any American citizen should be armed enough to do so.

So what do I propose so far? Stricter FEDERAL laws. More risk for illegal sellers ups their prices and hopefully slows down sales. Definitely more thorough background checks for any firearms purchases. REALLY don't understand Trump making it legal for people with mental disorders to purchase guns. Lesser magazine sizes for all states. I'd also introduce a nice sizable bullet tax for everyone except hunters who hunt solely for food. I'd also make it mandatory to buy a safe for anyone with a firearm that must be checked annually. I'd also begin charging the last legal owner of guns of mass shootings with manslaughter if those guns were stolen. Is it really too much to ask gun owners to be more responsible with their firearms?



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o_O.Q said:

lol it is you that is being illogical here not me

Would people kill with more guns if there were a considerable less amount of guns in America? Hello, logic.

o_O.Q said: 

and yet china has had a mass stabbing every month for this year...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/world/asia/china-attack-school-knife.html

the implication i'm assuming is that a society would be safe and have no mass killings if guns could be removed... but that's nonsense

By some counts, we're averaging a school shooting a week in 2018.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/may/18/whats-true-whats-not-about-santa-fe-texas-school-s/

That doesn't even count Noblesville this week. I'm not saying shootings would be eliminated altogether. It's impossible to do that in America, but the goal should be to lessen the amount and frequency of these shootings. By the way, those statistics are for school shootings, not all homicides or crimes with a gun.

o_O.Q said: 

there are 6 guns to every american in the country, lets say you completely stop new guns from being distributed... what are you going to do about all the guns already circulating around?

Read my post above this one.

o_O.Q said: 

murder is an existential problem... i'd think anyone past the age of 10 understands that and funny enough the statistics show that its a problem that has been reducing with time


School shootings are still at high amounts.

https://www.cato.org/blog/are-mass-shootings-becoming-more-frequent

 

o_O.Q said: 

you haven't gotten an answer because its a hilariously stupid question... shouldn't that be obvious?


If it's a problem, please introduce any of your thoughts to fixing them.

Last edited by H.E.R. - on 27 May 2018

H.E.R. said:
massimus said:
What’s your solution, H.E.R? Yes, people targeting schools and soft targets with large unarmed crowds are a problem. What realistic laws would have stopped this? It’s terrorism. You know that the 2nd amendment won’t be repealed any time soon. Confiscation is unrealistic and won’t work. What would you do? I personally think we should hire vets or retired police to guard schools. Not useless security guards but trained people ready and willing to die for these kids protection, it’s unfortunate but it’s the only realistic way to deal with this imo.

Security guards aren't enough. The one in Parkland ran away and the one in Santa Fe was shot. I've stated before in this very thread I'm actually a 2nd Amendment supporter even if it doesn't seem like it right away. I do believe an American citizen has a right to defend his home and anyone trespassing should be at risk of getting shot. That militia crap though? Unless you're arming citizens with missiles and assault rifles, you're not taking down any army anytime soon nor do I believe any American citizen should be armed enough to do so.

So what do I propose so far? Stricter FEDERAL laws. More risk for illegal sellers ups their prices and hopefully slows down sales. Definitely more thorough background checks for any firearms purchases. REALLY don't understand Trump making it legal for people with mental disorders to purchase guns. Lesser magazine sizes for all states. I'd also introduce a nice sizable bullet tax for everyone except hunters who hunt solely for food. I'd also make it mandatory to buy a safe for anyone with a firearm that must be checked annually. I'd also begin charging the last legal owner of guns of mass shootings with manslaughter if those guns were stolen. Is it really too much to ask gun owners to be more responsible with their firearms?

" I've stated before in this very thread I'm actually a 2nd Amendment supporter even if it doesn't seem like it right away. I do believe an American citizen has a right to defend his home and anyone trespassing should be at risk of getting shot. That militia crap though? Unless you're arming citizens with missiles and assault rifles, you're not taking down any army anytime soon nor do I believe any American citizen should be armed enough to do so."

then you do not understand the second amendment... the purpose of it was always to provide a means of defense for citizens from an oppressive tyrannical government... its how the country was formed to begin with after all

that you call the idea of a militia "crap" while at the same time claiming that you advocate for the 2nd amendment is frighteningly ignorant

 

  "Would people kill with more guns if there were a considerable less amount of guns in America? Hello, logic."

someone apparently needs to brush up on what saturation means

 

"By some counts, we're averaging a school shooting a week in 2018."

sure... counts including suicides right? because i suppose if someone had the resolve to blow their brains out they wouldn't just use some other method if they didn't have a gun

 

"If it's a problem, please introduce any of your thoughts to fixing them."

as i typed its an existential problem... asking me that is like asking me to solve the problem of death

its a stupid question

what is your solution to the mass stabbings in china? or does it suddenly not matter when its knives instead of guns?



o_O.Q said:

then you do not understand the second amendment... the purpose of it was always to provide a means of defense for citizens from an oppressive tyrannical government... its how the country was formed to begin with after all

that you call the idea of a militia "crap" while at the same time claiming that you advocate for the 2nd amendment is frighteningly ignorant

If the government sent a drone to your house to blow up your property, would you be able to stop it? Would you entrust EVERY American with the right to buy something like that? If your answers to both questions are "no", then I hate to break this to you, but no militia is stopping any oppressive tyrannical government anytime soon. They also have tanks, machine guns, RPGs, M16s, fighter aircrafts, and oh yeah thermonuclear weapons.

Some American laws can and have become simply outdated (slavery, Jim Crow). I would say it's up to present Americans to strive to be better and yes, even be better than our founding fathers.

o_O.Q said: 

someone apparently needs to brush up on what saturation means

More guns in more hands means more gun crimes. Dozens of school shootings still shouldn't happen just because of that. How does that help your argument again?

o_O.Q said: 

sure... counts including suicides right? because i suppose if someone had the resolve to blow their brains out they wouldn't just use some other method if they didn't have a gun

The link I provided counted strictly school shootings this year, not suicides. You would know that had you clicked the link...or read my previous reply properly.

o_O.Q said: 

as i typed its an existential problem... asking me that is like asking me to solve the problem of death

its a stupid question

So is the goal here to just let things ride and let more school shootings happen?

o_O.Q said: 

what is your solution to the mass stabbings in china? or does it suddenly not matter when its knives instead of guns?

I honestly don't know. But if I was a Chinese citizen living in China though, I would try to learn more about it and try to find a way to at the very least lessen the amount and frequency of them.



Militias refer to state militias. For example, in the civil war your state was your regiment. You would grab your rifle and meet up with your state. You were a Virginian or a New Yorker before you were American. These rules were set at the peak of states rights. It was not illegal for a state to have a strong defense.

It’s also weird to assume the military would follow the whims of a tyrannical federal government and start droning citizens. At most the military would split in a civil war but the US has an entirely volunteer military. They would be sooner to throw out a tyrant like Egypt than follow the ruling class into a spiral. They are sons, daughters and brothers not political robots.