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Kalkano said:
Sickening how people accuse us of "not caring" because we refuse to give up our rights. This is about FREEDOM, and the power to PRESERVE it! If our entire country gets killed by guns, so be it. We'll all die FREE.

There is no price too high to pay, to stave off a downward spiral into dictatorship.

Are there things we can do, or at least try? Sure, but hands off our guns.

Right to education is not only an American right, but an agreed international human right. I also personally am pro 2nd Amendment. People do and should continue to have a right to defend their homes. But in the case of school shootings becoming an American normal, is it really too much to ask gun owners to be more responsible with their firearms? I say safes forced on gun owners and a nice hefty bullet tax increase (people who hunt specifically for food would be exempted) might do that.



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SuaveSocialist said:
The Second Amendment strikes again.

And this is what usually happens. Gun laws automatically lead a side to believe we'll take all your guns away and then there are no votes in the Senate or the House to enact any change. Next mass shooting happens and it's the same cycle.



H.E.R. said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

LOL. I live in Chicago dude. I work for the state. And this is cringe worthy. Might want to check federal laws about this

It's not just Illinois. That link states it hits California and Maryland as well. There's no federal law that bans interstate travel with legally purchased firearms.

Just stop dude. It's illegal to purchase firearms from a different state resident. If bought legally from a FFL dealer then the dealer must ship it to the home state



Maxosaurus-rex said:
H.E.R. said:

It's not just Illinois. That link states it hits California and Maryland as well. There's no federal law that bans interstate travel with legally purchased firearms.

Just stop dude. It's illegal to purchase firearms from a different state resident. If bought legally from a FFL dealer then the dealer must ship it to the home state

It's not like someone with a nice inventory can't sell illegally in a different state, especially when payment is only in cash...or someone can't use a fake ID to buy a gun in a state with lax gun laws and then bring it back to a state with harsher gun laws. Fake IDs aren't a problem we have in our amazing country, right?

You're from Chicago, look if recovered guns in your city were from Illinois or legally obtained.



H.E.R. said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

Just stop dude. It's illegal to purchase firearms from a different state resident. If bought legally from a FFL dealer then the dealer must ship it to the home state

It's not like someone with a nice inventory can't sell illegally in a different state, especially when payment is only in cash...or someone can't use a fake ID to buy a gun in a state with lax gun laws and then bring it back to a state with harsher gun laws. Fake IDs aren't a problem we have in our amazing country, right?

You're from Chicago, look if recovered guns in your city were from Illinois or legally obtained.

So your point is that people will break federal laws so we should make more for them to break?

 

Fake id's pass background checks? 



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Maxosaurus-rex said:
H.E.R. said:

It's not like someone with a nice inventory can't sell illegally in a different state, especially when payment is only in cash...or someone can't use a fake ID to buy a gun in a state with lax gun laws and then bring it back to a state with harsher gun laws. Fake IDs aren't a problem we have in our amazing country, right?

You're from Chicago, look if recovered guns in your city were from Illinois or legally obtained.

So your point is that people will break federal laws so we should make more for them to break?

 

Fake id's pass background checks? 

What's a federal law to a student about to shoot his class? Could be a different point for a seller crossing state lines and at least curb a few sales if there's more risk.

And about the background checks? Hello, gun show loophole! Illinois's surrounding states (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri) don't require background checks for any purchases during gun shows. Only Iowa requires them for handguns.



H.E.R. said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

So your point is that people will break federal laws so we should make more for them to break?

 

Fake id's pass background checks? 

What's a federal law to a student about to shoot his class? Could be a different point for a seller crossing state lines and at least curb a few sales if there's more risk.

And about the background checks? Hello, gun show loophole! Illinois's surrounding states (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri) don't require background checks for any purchases during gun shows. Only Iowa requires them for handguns.

Bwahahahahaha. There is no gun show loophole. Just stop. 



Maxosaurus-rex said:
H.E.R. said:

What's a federal law to a student about to shoot his class? Could be a different point for a seller crossing state lines and at least curb a few sales if there's more risk.

And about the background checks? Hello, gun show loophole! Illinois's surrounding states (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri) don't require background checks for any purchases during gun shows. Only Iowa requires them for handguns.

Bwahahahahaha. There is no gun show loophole. Just stop. 

The Brady Bill only requires that federally licensed sellers perform background checks, which does not cover unlicensed party sellers, many of which you see at said gun shows. You could stop playing stupid now.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-107/pdf/STATUTE-107-Pg1536.pdf

Anyway, this all comes down to this question: Do you believe school shootings are a problem in the United States? If your answer is yes, please feel free to put up any type of solution. If your answer is no, then we're just like Congress and stuck in a stalemate, stay the course, and continue to send thoughts and prayers to the next victims of school shootings.



H.E.R. said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

Bwahahahahaha. There is no gun show loophole. Just stop. 

The Brady Bill only requires that federally licensed sellers perform background checks, which does not cover unlicensed party sellers, many of which you see at said gun shows. You could stop playing stupid now.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-107/pdf/STATUTE-107-Pg1536.pdf

Anyway, this all comes down to this question: Do you believe school shootings are a problem in the United States? If your answer is yes, please feel free to put up any type of solution. If your answer is no, then we're just like Congress and stuck in a stalemate, stay the course, and continue to send thoughts and prayers to the next victims of school shootings.

Do you also believe in the myth of the boyfriend loophole? 



Maxosaurus-rex said:
H.E.R. said:

The Brady Bill only requires that federally licensed sellers perform background checks, which does not cover unlicensed party sellers, many of which you see at said gun shows. You could stop playing stupid now.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-107/pdf/STATUTE-107-Pg1536.pdf

Anyway, this all comes down to this question: Do you believe school shootings are a problem in the United States? If your answer is yes, please feel free to put up any type of solution. If your answer is no, then we're just like Congress and stuck in a stalemate, stay the course, and continue to send thoughts and prayers to the next victims of school shootings.

Do you also believe in the myth of the boyfriend loophole? 

Deflecting when you don't like your answer. Very good. You could be a great politician.