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COD always released with a singplayer campaign and most of the times bitch about how it sucks and they only keep the game for the MP....Now they get rid of the SP and people feel entitled to have one.

It is just a human thing.






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Kerotan said:
CGI-Quality said:

Never mind other sites. This thread, alone, proves that to be false. Just because you may not care for the Campaign doesn't mean everyone feels the same.

Let's say this sells 30m. Surely a minimum of 30% will care about the campaign. Surely a pool of 10m or so players deserves the investment. Can't believe they didn't go the full hog. The game could of had series hype. 

30% is a lot!!!

The last COD campaign was only completed by 22% And they probably exist out of completionists/Achievement hunters etc, probably less than 10% really enjoyed it.

If we look at just the story completion statistics, the numbers are, of course, even more telling. Just 22% of all Xbox players finished the WWII story on any difficulty even as we heard about how excited players were to go back to that era.

https://www.trueachievements.com/n32450/exclusive-stats-show-how-rarely-game-campaigns-are-played






konnichiwa said:
COD always released with a singplayer campaign and most of the times bitch about how it sucks and they only keep the game for the MP....Now they get rid of the SP and people feel entitled to have one.

It is just a human thing.

There is a surprising amount of people that don't play the MP and visa versa. Some are just Zombies players.

 

There is a very simple solution to ALL of it. You want the entire game, SP, MP, Zombies, bullcrap tacked on BR modes? Play $60 for the lot.

You only want MP? $25. You only want SP, $25 etc. You can get the part you want without shelling out $60 for wasted content, buying all individually cost more so they try and entice you in with the combined package.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
konnichiwa said:
COD always released with a singplayer campaign and most of the times bitch about how it sucks and they only keep the game for the MP....Now they get rid of the SP and people feel entitled to have one.

It is just a human thing.

There is a surprising amount of people that don't play the MP and visa versa. Some are just Zombies players.

 

There is a very simple solution to ALL of it. You want the entire game, SP, MP, Zombies, bullcrap tacked on BR modes? Play $60 for the lot.

You only want MP? $25. You only want SP, $25 etc. You can get the part you want without shelling out $60 for wasted content, buying all individually cost more so they try and entice you in with the combined package.

Sure they are but they are a small minority that probably sits around 10% (you probably just missed my last post).

Black ops III on X360/PS3 also got a lot of hate comments because it had no campaign.






this game committed suicide as far as i am concerned. looks like a blops 3 season 2 add on for $60

complete trash.

So on to BF5. CoD releases for now on are dead to me.



 

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As others have said, there is no precedent being set here. There are lots of games these days that forgo the single player campaign. But, that hasn't killed single player games. Not even close.

So, while I would have preferred a single player campaign in BO4, I don't see this as a significant moment for gaming. It may not even be a significant moment for the CoD. To know that, we'll have to see where CoD goes from here.

And, with all of that said, I haven't purchased a CoD game in a decade or so. So, they shouldn't care what I think.



John2290 said:
Medisti said:

GoW is a great single-player game, yes. But, how is this third-person hack n' slash about Norse Mythology supposed to scratch the itch for the people who want a FPS campaign with guns? Completely different gameplay.

Doom, rage 2. 

iD will keep us in the light and I'm sure sales numbers or at least player retention for the MP only shooter will say more than anything else. I think BOP 4 was caught in the time frame they had realized that and so, the need for such a massive push to assure gamers, some of it very obvious as the cut out "advanced" moves. I'd bet my ass that battlefeild will push a single player campaign HARD for their next one as they did with the older war settings and COD will have to follow suit. Games like Battlefront and Titan fall introducing Campaigns is a sign that this was a move made three or four years ago and would be changed if they had the time. 

I don't know about Rage 2, but DOOM 2016 is an old school arcade-style FPS, which is a completely different experience from the cinematic war shooters like CoD. That's like telling people who liked Goldeneye 007 and Perfect Dark to go play Call of Duty instead. Very, very different gameplay, even if they're all shooters in a first-person perspective.



konnichiwa said:
Kerotan said:

Let's say this sells 30m. Surely a minimum of 30% will care about the campaign. Surely a pool of 10m or so players deserves the investment. Can't believe they didn't go the full hog. The game could of had series hype. 

30% is a lot!!!

The last COD campaign was only completed by 22% And they probably exist out of completionists/Achievement hunters etc, probably less than 10% really enjoyed it.

If we look at just the story completion statistics, the numbers are, of course, even more telling. Just 22% of all Xbox players finished the WWII story on any difficulty even as we heard about how excited players were to go back to that era.

https://www.trueachievements.com/n32450/exclusive-stats-show-how-rarely-game-campaigns-are-played

The PS4 completion % is 24.7%s o if we use that along with the 22% and from the 20m "ish" copies VGC has it tracked at when you include digital that's still ending up close to 5m people completing the SP campaign. 

I wouldn't really say that 22% is low as people in general don't finish up games these days, DOOM campaign completion only has 20% of the people completing it, Wolfenstein II at 29%, The Evil Within 2 at 27% and these only have SP or the MP isn't really used as in DOOM's case. Even such as Horizon Zero Dawn that many would say is a SP masterpiece only had 36% of people finishing the game.

Battlefield 1 as an example is way lower at only 9% of players completing the game.



WoodenPints said:
konnichiwa said:

30% is a lot!!!

The last COD campaign was only completed by 22% And they probably exist out of completionists/Achievement hunters etc, probably less than 10% really enjoyed it.

If we look at just the story completion statistics, the numbers are, of course, even more telling. Just 22% of all Xbox players finished the WWII story on any difficulty even as we heard about how excited players were to go back to that era.

https://www.trueachievements.com/n32450/exclusive-stats-show-how-rarely-game-campaigns-are-played

The PS4 completion % is 24.7%s o if we use that along with the 22% and from the 20m "ish" copies VGC has it tracked at when you include digital that's still ending up close to 5m people completing the SP campaign. 

I wouldn't really say that 22% is low as people in general don't finish up games these days, DOOM campaign completion only has 20% of the people completing it, Wolfenstein II at 29%, The Evil Within 2 at 27% and these only have SP or the MP isn't really used as in DOOM's case. Even such as Horizon Zero Dawn that many would say is a SP masterpiece only had 36% of people finishing the game.

Battlefield 1 as an example is way lower at only 9% of players completing the game.

No but people overestimate the completion % in general. I bet the MP participation even when you have to pay to play for online is way higher.






Barkley said:
It sends a message everyone already knew, the Call of Duty campaign was the least played and least important mode.

Not to get my 60 bucks...



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