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mZuzek said:
pikashoe said:

It happened to black panther as well. Not to the same extreme. RT and metacritic only have a few thousand reviews each for TLJ. Imdb has over 370 000 reviews. I don't thinks it's wrong to say that it is more indicative of the general audience perception of the film.

Did it, now? I see nothing about Black Panther's user reviews on either Metacritic or RT that isn't representative of what most of the internet thinks of the movie. Most people I've seen talk about it on the internet, across a wide variety of mediums, do consider it to be meh or underwhelming.

For the record, it's one of my favorite ever movies. I absolutely don't understand where all these people are coming from, but these people do exist and they do have that opinion.

The film was severely review bombed at release. The same group that review bombed TLJ, said they were planning to do the same for black panther. People were more aware of it this time so it didn't work as well as it did for last Jedi. BP has generally been very well received by fans. I'm not sure where on the internet you've been.



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mZuzek said:
Nozz-A-La said:

Does not mean much

Also this. 90% of decent blockbusters these days just get the same scores, because critics can't be bothered to actually give them a fair and proper rating - except when they have some political message, such as Black Panther or The Last Jedi, in which case they're instantly amazing.

To be fair, both The Last Jedi and Black Panther had stellar cinematography, but shouldn't be the only determining factor for how good a movie is and it certainly isn't for critics because many movies with great cinematography have much lower scores. Personally, one of these two is among my favorite ever films, and the other is one of the worst I've seen in recent memory, so... yeah, movie critics just don't matter at all.

I'd say if a movie has a metacritic below 50 or 55 at most, yeah, it's probably bad and I'd rather avoid it. But anything above 60 has the potential to be awful, average, good or amazing.

 

 

Edit: moreso, when it comes to Disney Star Wars films, the critic and fan reception has been inversely proportional. Critics say TLJ > TFA > RO, whereas fans say the exact opposite, myself included.

I think critics these days feel they have an obligation to give poor scores even if it was good. It just wouldn't be trendy for critics to walk out of a movie cinema or game with anything nice to say about it.  As an example, I thought Batman Vs Superman and Justice League were fun and enjoyable movies for the most part but critics just loved to pan these..



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The trailers looked worse than Rogue One, which I personally hated. I can’t imagine watching Solo or TLJ and I’ll probably just go see the final film just because.



my prediction as it stands: "Solo will be the highest rated Star Wars movie ever"

my opinion as a whole: "Star Wars was never good and its about time people realized this and got over it"



pikashoe said:
shikamaru317 said:

I'd like to remind everyone that the opinions of critics are most definitely not the end all be all of opinions. Critics loved The Last Jedi and gave it an 85 on Metacritic and a 91% on Rotten Tomatoes, but the user scores were only 4.6 on Metacritic and 47% on Rotten Tomatoes, indicating that roughly half of all Star Wars fans didn't like it.

Critics not liking Solo as much as The Last Jedi might not mean that it's a worse movie, in fact it might even be a good thing, because in my experience often it is the movies the critics don't like as much that end up being the biggest hits with general audiences. 

A lot of that is down to the film being review bombed. Imdb is a bit more indicative of what audiences actually thought.

You're joking right? Why would the Last Jedi be review bombed? Why would that film be singled out? Couldn't you say that about any other movie? 

Fact is, the movie was massively divisive among Star Wars fans. IMO the audience scores are more accurate that critics. 

BvS was trashed by critics, yet roughly 60% of fans enjoyed the film. 



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mZuzek said:
pikashoe said:

Shallow is definitely not the right word for TLJ. Even a lot of people that disliked it did admire that the film was thematically one of the deeper star wars films. I agree solo looks very bland and shallow. I wasn't fond of the idea to begin with.

If "deeper" means sending a message, then sending the complete opposite message 5 seconds after, maybe, yeah.

This.  If one would actually think about the TLJ for any point of time, it is pretty obvious it lacks depth.  There is no real thing it delved into.  The lore isn't built upon.  If anything it destroys what depth it could have by ignoring or devaluing story points set up by the TFA.  We just get some on the nose messages about the film makers political beliefs, and that is it.  Something that even some on the left/center left were annoyed by.

pikashoe said:
thismeintiel said:

The review bomb thing was disproven. They were legitimate users on RT. Besides, most movies get haters. But this time, half the fans were the "haters." The massive drop at the box office proved that. And there's a good chance that it hurts the franchise going forward. 

It was not disproven whatsoever, it was proven to have happened; people went through many of the reviews and found that many were copy pasted by accounts with very similar names. Also most of the negative reviews were written the day the accounts were made. 

Imdb has a much larger amount of reviews and the film has a more positive but still divisive score there. 

Unless you want to prove that RT a liar, you are wrong.  They stated that the user review rating on the site was legitimate.  There was no alt-right boogeyman lowering the review.  Unless you think that same boogeyman made hundreds of people make videos stating their hatred for TLJ, which actually saw small Youtubers get 10s of thousands, some 100s of thousands, of views, and were far more upvoted than downvoted.  Oh, and forced people from watching the movie multiple times. 

This movie was supposed to easily take the #2 or #3 spot on the all time DBO for decades to come.  Sit comfortably behind TFA at #4 on the all time WW BO.  And that was the safe bet.  Instead it never made it into the Top 5 DBO and was/will be pushed down to #8 by BP, a standalone superhero film, and Avengers: IW.  WW it again got easily passed by BP and IW, and was pushed out of the Top 10 recently.  JW2 may push it down even further. 

Even after the large 2nd weekend drop, insiders said it would most likely end at $1.6B WW.  Again, it couldn't even hit its adjusted goal, ending at $1.33B.  It even outdid, in a bad way, my pessimistic estimate of being ~$600M below TFA.  Instead ending a whopping ~$736M below it.  Merch sales also plummeted below even RO.  Speaking of RO, it actually lasted a full two weeks longer in the theaters.  It's final day haul, $2,112.  TLJ's, $854.

So, you can close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears, but the fact remains.  There was a fan backlash, plain and simple.

Last edited by thismeintiel - on 15 May 2018

It's going to be interesting to track this film, which I think I will do. 6.5 is the average critic rating on RT. And only 51% of users on the site want to see the film. Here's hoping it crashes and burns and Kathleen Kenedy gets fired, along with Rian Johnson with his own trilogy.

Edit:  Oh, and it has to take on Deadpool 2's 2nd weekend.  And right now, its looking like Deadpool 2 is opening big.  And then 3 weeks after release, there's Incredibles 2, which will probably kick its legs right out from under it.

Last edited by thismeintiel - on 19 May 2018

pikashoe said:
mZuzek said:

Yeah. But, no.

You should give the plinkett reviews a watch. They break down in great detail how almost nothing in the prequels work. One of my lecturers in college even recommended the reviews.

I love Plinkett and his reviews, and would counter Mauler's in depth review of Last Jedi.

https://youtu.be/vw7pcCj0ORk

Last edited by Nymeria - on 21 May 2018

Star Wars is dead to me now, but am still interested to see how Soylo does, critically, financially, and fan-wise.



I saw Solo at a midnight session last night (so, starting 10 hours ago).

I went in ready to be disappointed. What I got was the best Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back.

It was fun, it was epic, and yet very focused on the characters. The acting was awesome. The cheesy lines were endearing not annoying. Social justice was present without diverting the focus of the movie.

Honestly any issues I had would be nit-picking at this point.



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