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Aeolus451 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

the reason why the other presidents didn't do it is because they were smart enough to know that shit will hit the fan. They knew this type of reaction would happen..

More like they were just saying shit to get votes. Funny how a reality tv star was the one with enough balls and integrity when it mattered in following through with a campaign promise. They sounded so sincere too in those speeches.

The situation would have never gotten better with it being kept in limbo. The quicker the Palestinians and surrounding countries accept that Israel is there to stay and Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, the quicker they all can live in peace. There's no other viable alternative to the situation. 

 

So the countless other nations that is against the move and along with the UN, they were all saying shit?  Oh man, I wonder if they were all conspiring to prevent violence from escalating. LOL. you can believe whatever you want, I'm done here.

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Aeolus451 said:

There's alot of holes in that line of thinking. People as a race don't have collective thoughts nor are they monolithic. One person can't speak for a entire race. If you want to disagree on that then I'm part cherokee and I don't find that racist. Have fun wiggling through that.

I gave the context as to why that was said and Pocahontas itself is not racist. It's like calling Rachel Dolezal, Tiana (from The Princess and The Frog).

That land  belonged to the jews a long time ago. What matters is that they have it now and they successfully defended it from hostile neighbors repeatedly. 

Of course no group of people thinks in a monolithic way...but would you say that your opinion on this "Pocahontas" subject is the majority opinion among Cherokee people, or would you say that your view is in the minority?

Yes, the area that is currently called Israel belonged to Jewish people millennia ago. After they stole it from many other peoples (at least if you read your Bible anyway). But Palestinian people live in East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip now. And you are okay with their systematic expulsion? What's not to understand about that? This isn't a complicated subject.



The biggest fault Israel made was giving back land after multiple Arabian countries tried to invade Israel and found out they where a military powerhouse and invaded large parts of Egypt and expanded their their landmass. If they didn't give up that land Israel would probably had less border conflicts. Let's not forget those countries literally wanted to destroy Israel and every Israeli in it, Hamas still does. Neither is Hamas all that innocent themselves. Placing military equipment that shoots mortars towards Israel is hardly a noble thing. Not that Israel is very nice either, they are scumbags but I get where they come from. Last time I checked if US get shot at or are slightly triggered they blow up a country. Iraq or Afghanistan for example.


If I had to live in a Middle Eastern Nation I could do much worse than Israel. Also who in the UN evet tought the Gaza area wouldn't be a war zone for decades, when they drawer Israel on the map.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

snyps said:

Btw, anti-Semitic means you are against people from that region, including Palestinian. I'm not anti-jew. I'm pro-jew. Just anti-zionist. The new nazi's.



Jaicee said:
Aeolus451 said:

There's alot of holes in that line of thinking. People as a race don't have collective thoughts nor are they monolithic. One person can't speak for a entire race. If you want to disagree on that then I'm part cherokee and I don't find that racist. Have fun wiggling through that.

I gave the context as to why that was said and Pocahontas itself is not racist. It's like calling Rachel Dolezal, Tiana (from The Princess and The Frog).

That land  belonged to the jews a long time ago. What matters is that they have it now and they successfully defended it from hostile neighbors repeatedly. 

Of course no group of people thinks in a monolithic way...but would you say that your opinion on this "Pocahontas" subject is the majority opinion among Cherokee people, or would you say that your view is in the minority?

Yes, the area that is currently called Israel belonged to Jewish people millennia ago. After they stole it from many other peoples (at least if you read your Bible anyway). But Palestinian people live in East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip now. And you are okay with their systematic expulsion? What's not to understand about that? This isn't a complicated subject.

Well, I know that the name Pocahontas is not a racial slur to native americans.  She's a historical figure and she was presented in a positive light in that disney film.

Since there's no polls or surveys on that situation,  we don't know what the majority of native americans think of him saying it to Warren but they barely reacted to it. In this situation, I'll assume anyone who is willing to look at the context of the situation and think about it, will come to a similar conclusion as me. The context provides the reason why he said it and the word doesn't have any negative racial connotations to it.

If it was truly systematic, there would be no Palestinians in those areas at all. I support Israel because they are an ally, we have alot of time/energy/resources invested in them, they share our values and they are a good example of progress  as a country in that region. Women's rights, gay rights, decent economy, relative liberties/freedoms. They just want to be left alone and I'm fine with them defending their territory.

On the other side of this, Palestinians are the opposite and chose to elect Hamas which uses human shields, suicide bombs and other reprehensible tactics to wage war to wipe out Israel. Palestine in general is antithetical to our values and way of life. It's a very easy choice to make in who to side with.



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Aeolus451 said:
Jaicee said:

Of course no group of people thinks in a monolithic way...but would you say that your opinion on this "Pocahontas" subject is the majority opinion among Cherokee people, or would you say that your view is in the minority?

Yes, the area that is currently called Israel belonged to Jewish people millennia ago. After they stole it from many other peoples (at least if you read your Bible anyway). But Palestinian people live in East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip now. And you are okay with their systematic expulsion? What's not to understand about that? This isn't a complicated subject.

Well, I know that the name Pocahontas is not a racial slur to native americans.  She's a historical figure and she was presented in a positive light in that disney film.

Since there's no polls or surveys on that situation,  we don't know what the majority of native americans think of him saying it to Warren but they barely reacted to it. In this situation, I'll assume anyone who is willing to look at the context of the situation and think about it, will come to a similar conclusion as me. The context provides the reason why he said it and the word doesn't have any negative racial connotations to it.

If it was truly systematic, there would be no Palestinians in those areas at all. I support Israel because they are an ally, we have alot of time/energy/resources invested in them, they share our values and they are a good example of progress  as a country in that region. Women's rights, gay rights, decent economy, relative liberties/freedoms. They just want to be left alone and I'm fine with them defending their territory.

On the other side of this, Palestinians are the opposite and chose to elect Hamas which uses human shields, suicide bombs and other reprehensible tactics to wage war to wipe out Israel. Palestine in general is antithetical to our values and way of life. It's a very easy choice to make in who to side with.

I feel like im playing mass effect this is some high level indoctrination



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LiquorandGunFun said:
Another promised kept by president Trump. With all the horrible things said on this thread I know I am on the right side. It is just disgusting.

Sometimes I can't help but wonder if the only reason the left is always against Israel, is that the right is always on Israel's side.  They'd rather side with terrorists than agree with the right.



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kirby007 said:
Aeolus451 said:

Well, I know that the name Pocahontas is not a racial slur to native americans.  She's a historical figure and she was presented in a positive light in that disney film.

Since there's no polls or surveys on that situation,  we don't know what the majority of native americans think of him saying it to Warren but they barely reacted to it. In this situation, I'll assume anyone who is willing to look at the context of the situation and think about it, will come to a similar conclusion as me. The context provides the reason why he said it and the word doesn't have any negative racial connotations to it.

If it was truly systematic, there would be no Palestinians in those areas at all. I support Israel because they are an ally, we have alot of time/energy/resources invested in them, they share our values and they are a good example of progress  as a country in that region. Women's rights, gay rights, decent economy, relative liberties/freedoms. They just want to be left alone and I'm fine with them defending their territory.

On the other side of this, Palestinians are the opposite and chose to elect Hamas which uses human shields, suicide bombs and other reprehensible tactics to wage war to wipe out Israel. Palestine in general is antithetical to our values and way of life. It's a very easy choice to make in who to side with.

I feel like im playing mass effect this is some high level indoctrination

*shrugs Think what you want, Kirby. Do you think using kids as suicide bombers against soldiers and civilians is a morally acceptable tactic in war or conflicts? Would you support a side in a war or conflict that uses those tactics?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict

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Jaicee said:
Aeolus451 said:

There's alot of holes in that line of thinking. People as a race don't have collective thoughts nor are they monolithic. One person can't speak for a entire race. If you want to disagree on that then I'm part cherokee and I don't find that racist. Have fun wiggling through that.

I gave the context as to why that was said and Pocahontas itself is not racist. It's like calling Rachel Dolezal, Tiana (from The Princess and The Frog).

That land  belonged to the jews a long time ago. What matters is that they have it now and they successfully defended it from hostile neighbors repeatedly. 

Of course no group of people thinks in a monolithic way...but would you say that your opinion on this "Pocahontas" subject is the majority opinion among Cherokee people, or would you say that your view is in the minority?

Yes, the area that is currently called Israel belonged to Jewish people millennia ago. After they stole it from many other peoples (at least if you read your Bible anyway). But Palestinian people live in East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip now. And you are okay with their systematic expulsion? What's not to understand about that? This isn't a complicated subject.

Was “Pocahontas” used as a word historically used to opress and dehumanize an entire people during one darker parts of human history? If not, then the n-word and “Pocahontas” are not equal words. You need to prove that his words were meant to be racist without non sequitor logic. Actual proof. Not wild theories.



konnichiwa said:

Lastly, in an independent investigation from the UN would indeed clear so much up

ROFL!  The UN is just about as anti-semitic as it gets!  We know what the outcome of their "investigation" would be before it even started!  Just disband that useless organization.



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