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weraru_1 said:
GribbleGrunger said:

But why would Sony want to? Currently, their 5 years old console is outselling a 1 year old console WW. Clearly more people want their traditional console than want a hybrid. Perhaps Nintendo should make a traditional console. That makes more sense. 

That doesn't make sense. Switch is selling just as well or slightly better as PS4 with launches aligned. PS4 gained momentum. Consoles never have their best years at launch. This is a bad comment.

You shouldn't be counting chickens before they hatch. We don't know what kind of legs the ns will have. It could turn out to ha ve better legs than the ps2 or it could fizzle out quicker than expected. Sony doesn't need to risk any resources on something that's still experimental and might not work for them (if sony tried it) when they could use those resources on ps4 games and ps5 dev/games.



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nemo37 said:
Azuren said:

Taking a current gen game and dialing it back to last gen doesn't mean it's running current gen.

The problem is that the terms "current gen" and "last gen" are fairly arbitrary. In addition, using the scaling down of certain games to have it run and the inability of the hardware to run certain games does not mean it is "last gen". By the token of your argument, a game like Doom is not current-gen on a system like the base PS4 because it can run at much higher resolutions and with better graphical effects on a mid-to-high end gaming PC. Beyond this, what about the many games that are not really graphically intensive but released only on recent consoles? Are they last-gen as well?

Also, how could you be sure that Doom and Wolfenstein II would run on a last-gen system. The Switch's raw power in handheld mode might be comparable to that of a last-gen stationary system, but its GPU architecture is fairly modern and matches the features on the current-gen stationary systems. Engines that rely on software APIs base around the newer hardware features might not scale to PS3 and Xbox 360 but might do so on Switch because the GPU has the necessary features for the engine to run.

Subjective, sure, but only in the sense that their are people who see the perceived norm and decide they don't agree with it. Many of them have issue admitting that it's the norm and that their opinions are a deviation of the norm, though. But let's assume for a moment that this isn't a less popular notion, that generations have a graphical average:

 

The Switch is running games more closely akin to Sony and Microsoft's previous consoles rather than to their current consoles.



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Azuren said:
sc94597 said:

This statement (as it is) is false. 

If you modified your statement with one word, it might be true. 

Taking a current gen game and dialing it back to last gen doesn't mean it's running current gen.

Those games aren't "dialed back to last gen" though; they may run at a low resolution but their core visual feature set is still beyond anything PS3/360 ever produced technologically speaking.



 

KBG29 said:
shikamaru317 said:

I definitely believe it would be possible by late 2019. If I'm not mistaken, AMD is releasing the successor to Raven Ridge in 2019, their mobile APU line. You'd be looking at a low power APU (the current Raven Ridge APU's range between 12 and 25 watts) with Ryzen 2 CPU cores and Navi GPU cores. Then all Sony would have to do is underclock it or disable some cores to reduce power consumption so they could use desktop GDDR5 instead of LPDDR4, and make it larger than Switch so it could have a bigger battery, and they'd have a system comfortably able to play PS4's library (after patching) at reduced resolutions with good battery life.

That is what I see looking off into the Road maps, and what technologies will be available by the end of 2019. Will Sony or Microsoft take a stab at it? Probably not, but I really hope they do. I think the market would go absolutely crazy at the idea of having Call of Duty, Battlefield, Grand Theft Auto, Assasin's Creed, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, The Last of Us, Halo, Gears, and Fozra/Horion all available on the go, with no compromise. But, that's just my thought's. At any rate, I look forward to what 7nm fabrication brings us, and where things go with Sony and Microsoft, whether it is Home, Mobile, both, or otherwise. It's all about gaming first hardware, and that is what I love.

  



Aside from you obvious lack of understanding of hardware that makes your speculation of what Sony/AMD/whoever can make with existing hardware at an affordable price point hilariously out of touch, Sony has already made handheld game consoles featuring most of the franchises you listed, and people didn't go "absolutely crazy" for it. They made those "compromises" because as it turns out, making a handheld necessitates making compromises. Do you think Nintendo released a $299 Switch that struggles to play PS4 ports and only gets 3 hours battery life out of demanding titles for funsies? Sorry, there's no way in 2018 or 2019 to make a handheld for under $300 that can play Uncharted 4 "without compromise". The technology isn't there, and you're going to have to deal with it.

I also think it's hilarious that you claim to love "gaming first hardware" but still berate Nintendo for not releasing a Switch that's capable of connecting with cell phone networks and make phone calls. Which is it?



The thing that annoys me is talking that switch could receive a super dock, with extra memory and compute power.
No, it is technically impossible.



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curl-6 said: 
Azuren said: 

Taking a current gen game and dialing it back to last gen doesn't mean it's running current gen.

Those games aren't "dialed back to last gen" though; they may run at a low resolution but their core visual feature set is still beyond anything PS3/360 ever produced technologically speaking.

Azuren said: 

The Switch is running games more closely akin to Sony and Microsoft's previous consoles rather than to their current consoles.



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Aeolus451 said:
sc94597 said:

This statement (as it is) is false. 

If you modified your statement with one word, it might be true. 

It is true. Where are the majority of 3rd party games? No Far Cry 5? Where are the games? Down graded ports of a handful of games don't really count for much.

Fact that Switch not receiving some games doesn't mean that those games can be ported to Switch or that Switch cant run them. 

 

Aeolus451 said: 
weraru_1 said: 

That doesn't make sense. Switch is selling just as well or slightly better as PS4 with launches aligned. PS4 gained momentum. Consoles never have their best years at launch. This is a bad comment.

You shouldn't be counting chickens before they hatch. We don't know what kind of legs the ns will have. It could turn out to ha ve better legs than the ps2 or it could fizzle out quicker than expected. Sony doesn't need to risk any resources on something that's still experimental and might not work for them (if sony tried it) when they could use those resources on ps4 games and ps5 dev/games.

What you wrote don't have anything with what he wrote, he just wrote that comment is bad and he wrote why comment is bad, and he is totally right.



Azuren said:
curl-6 said: 

Those games aren't "dialed back to last gen" though; they may run at a low resolution but their core visual feature set is still beyond anything PS3/360 ever produced technologically speaking.

Azuren said: 

The Switch is running games more closely akin to Sony and Microsoft's previous consoles rather than to their current consoles.

It's still not at the same level as last gen though; it's notably superior to PS3 and 360 even if it's also notably weaker than PS4/Xbone.



potato_hamster said:

 

KBG29 said:

That is what I see looking off into the Road maps, and what technologies will be available by the end of 2019. Will Sony or Microsoft take a stab at it? Probably not, but I really hope they do. I think the market would go absolutely crazy at the idea of having Call of Duty, Battlefield, Grand Theft Auto, Assasin's Creed, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, The Last of Us, Halo, Gears, and Fozra/Horion all available on the go, with no compromise. But, that's just my thought's. At any rate, I look forward to what 7nm fabrication brings us, and where things go with Sony and Microsoft, whether it is Home, Mobile, both, or otherwise. It's all about gaming first hardware, and that is what I love.

  



Aside from you obvious lack of understanding of hardware that makes your speculation of what Sony/AMD/whoever can make with existing hardware at an affordable price point hilariously out of touch, Sony has already made handheld game consoles featuring most of the franchises you listed, and people didn't go "absolutely crazy" for it. They made those "compromises" because as it turns out, making a handheld necessitates making compromises. Do you think Nintendo released a $299 Switch that struggles to play PS4 ports and only gets 3 hours battery life out of demanding titles for funsies? Sorry, there's no way in 2018 or 2019 to make a handheld for under $300 that can play Uncharted 4 "without compromise". The technology isn't there, and you're going to have to deal with it.

I also think it's hilarious that you claim to love "gaming first hardware" but still berate Nintendo for not releasing a Switch that's capable of connecting with cell phone networks and make phone calls. Which is it?

I love gaming first hardware, and I want to see gaming first hardware devices expand their reach so they can be a more viable option for a wider range of consumers. Am I not allowed to want more from my gaming first hardware?

Looking at the games you listed, they where all spin offs. People have very little interest in spin-offs, there is very little interest in spin-offs in the main console space, let alone asking people to buy another device just for spin-offs. Having the ability to play the same game on your home PS4 and your Mobile PS4 would be a very different situation. 

 

As for hardware.

Look at the 20nm Tegra X1 and the 16nm Tegra X2 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra

 

Compare them with the 14nm Raven Ridge Mobile chips (anything with a U at the end)

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/cores/raven_ridge 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:AMD_Ryzen_Mobile

 

Now use a little foresight, and where do you land logically with a 7nm successor to Raven Ridge? Take into account that Performance Per Watt gains are a focus of AMD's Road Map.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_announces_plans_to_release_navi_and_zen_2_on_7nm/1

 Then remember, that Sony and AMD can work to make specific modifications that make the chip more power efficient and more capable than the stock chip, for use specifically in a Mobile PlayStation device as they did with the PS4 APU compared to stock AMD APU's of the time. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_accelerated_processing_unit_microprocessors

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:AMD_custom_APU

 

Looking at all of this, it looks pretty plausible that AMD will be capable of producing a chip on 7nm that is capable of surpassing the PS4 in CPU and GPU power at under 15 Watts. Raven Ridge is already capable of running circles around the PS4 CPU, and the advanced GPU tech, even at lower total flops is capable of outperforming PS4. The base 7nm Ryzen Mobile chips will only increase the power gap and reduce the power consumption. From there they can make modifications to support memory as needed, reduce power as needed, and increase performance as needed for a custom PlayStation Chip. 



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Azuren said:
I'd love to have a "PS4 Go" to go with my PS4 Pro.

But I won't be holding my breath.

I'm afraid DF said PS4 No



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