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Mcube on 24 May 2018
JRPGfan said:

PS4 is a worse system than NES? 64? Gamecube? Switch?
naaaah.... lol cant believe its so low on list, its got a much stronger library of games imo, than those systems.

PS4 doesnt have a better list of games then the 64 or Gamecube for me. Its all personal so why dont you mind your own fucking business. 



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potato_hamster on 24 May 2018

+PSP
-GBA
-GC

23 - PlayStation
23 - PlayStation 2
22- Super Nintendo (SNES)
19 - Nintendo Entertainment System (NES)
13 - PlayStation 4
13 - Nintendo 64
13 - Nintendo 3DS
13 - Nintendo Switch
11 - Nintendo DS
11 - Dreamcast
9 - GameCube
6- Sega Genesis
6- PlayStation 3
6 - PlayStation Portable
2- Game Boy Advance

ELIMINATED:
1) Phillips CD-i
2) Nokia N-Gage
3) Game.Com
4) Action Max
5) Wonderswan
6) Atari 5200
7) Virtual Boy
8) 3DO
9) Magnavox Odyssey
10) Atari Jaguar
11) Xbox
12) Atari Lynx
13) Sega Nomad
14) Xbox 360
15) Sega 32x
16) Xbox One
17) Atari 7800
18) Neo Geo CD
19) Wii U
20) Magnavox Odyssey2
21) ColecoVision
22) Intellivision
23) Game Gear
24) PlayStation Vita
25) Neo Geo
26) TurboGrafx-16
27) Sega Master System
28) Sega Saturn
29) Atari 2600
30) GameBoy/GameBoy Color
31) Wii



Mandalore76 on 24 May 2018
lebirri said:
Mandalore76 said:

Sorry, the 4 1/2 year old PS4 doesn't hold a candle to that legacy.  

I feel the urge to point out that this voting game is not only about legacy.

Otherwise the Odyssey for example would be somewhere else in this list...

 

Azuren said:
Mandalore76 said:

The NES saved video gaming in North America.  The NES had an at retail 20 year lifespan.  The NES saw the birth of Super Mario Bros, The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Castlevania, Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior (Dragon Quest), Ninja Gaiden, Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!….  

"In 2009, the Nintendo Entertainment System was named the single greatest video game console in history by IGN, in a list of 25."

"The NPD Group today released its report for April 2017,...Another interesting thing to note is that the NES Classic was the No. 2 best-seller in the US during April, outperforming Xbox One and PS4" 

Sorry, the 4 1/2 year old PS4 doesn't hold a candle to that legacy.  

 

Alby_da_Wolf said:

PS4 is probably better than 64 and GC, even considering each one in its epoch and context, and it's still better than NS, that still has to show its full potential, but NES in its era accomplished probably the second biggest goal ever in console gaming: after Atari 2600 (that shouldn't have been eliminated so early in this little contest of ours) truly launched the market, NES resurrected it after its first crisis, probably its worst ever, had left it almost dead.
Switch is still on the right path, and growing, to save, at least for another gen, portables from mobiles, it looks it can do it better than 3DS.
PS4 is becoming huge, it's thriving, but it's doing it starting on the shoulders of a previous excellent generation for home consoles, when even the losers enjoyed excellent sales, so its achievements, huge in absolute, are less impressive comparatively.

If that's your reasoning, then I urge you to reconsider as we are voting on best, not "most important". 

All of the games I listed on the NES, I (and many other people) still play 3 decades later.  I don't think as many people will be logging 3 decades worth of playtime into that many PS4 games.  So yeah, NES ranks higher than PS4 as a better console all-time console in my opinion.  If people are only basing their opinion on graphical power, than whatever the newest most powerful console out is always going to be on top of their "All-Time" list?  Pretty much defeats the purpose of voting in that case.  



Mandalore76 on 24 May 2018
potato_hamster said:
+PSP
-GBA
-GC

23 - PlayStation
23 - PlayStation 2
22- Super Nintendo (SNES)
19 - Nintendo Entertainment System (NES)
13 - Nintendo 64
13 - Nintendo 3DS
13 - Nintendo Switch
12 - PlayStation 4
11 - Nintendo DS
11 - Dreamcast
9 - GameCube
6- Sega Genesis
6- PlayStation 3
6 - PlayStation Portable
2- Game Boy Advance

ELIMINATED:
1) Phillips CD-i
2) Nokia N-Gage
3) Game.Com
4) Action Max
5) Wonderswan
6) Atari 5200
7) Virtual Boy
8) 3DO
9) Magnavox Odyssey
10) Atari Jaguar
11) Xbox
12) Atari Lynx
13) Sega Nomad
14) Xbox 360
15) Sega 32x
16) Xbox One
17) Atari 7800
18) Neo Geo CD
19) Wii U
20) Magnavox Odyssey2
21) ColecoVision
22) Intellivision
23) Game Gear
24) PlayStation Vita
25) Neo Geo
26) TurboGrafx-16
27) Sega Master System
28) Sega Saturn
29) Atari 2600
30) GameBoy/GameBoy Color
31) Wii

I left PS4 on my list twice when I voted it down earlier.  My - PS4 brought it down from 12 to 11.  The following poster voted + PS4 to bring it back to 12.  So, PS4 at 12 is the correct position.  Sorry about causing the error.  I have fixed it in the most recent vote above.



ThatDreamcastTho on 24 May 2018

+Dreamcast
-GBA
-Gamecube

23 - PlayStation
23 - PlayStation 2
22- Super Nintendo (SNES)
19 - Nintendo Entertainment System (NES)
13 - Nintendo 64
13 - Nintendo 3DS
13 - Nintendo Switch
12 - Dreamcast
12 - PlayStation 4
11 - Nintendo DS
8 - GameCube
6- Sega Genesis
6- PlayStation 3
6 - PlayStation Portable
1- Game Boy Advance

ELIMINATED:
1) Phillips CD-i
2) Nokia N-Gage
3) Game.Com
4) Action Max
5) Wonderswan
6) Atari 5200
7) Virtual Boy
8) 3DO
9) Magnavox Odyssey
10) Atari Jaguar
11) Xbox
12) Atari Lynx
13) Sega Nomad
14) Xbox 360
15) Sega 32x
16) Xbox One
17) Atari 7800
18) Neo Geo CD
19) Wii U
20) Magnavox Odyssey2
21) ColecoVision
22) Intellivision
23) Game Gear
24) PlayStation Vita
25) Neo Geo
26) TurboGrafx-16
27) Sega Master System
28) Sega Saturn
29) Atari 2600
30) GameBoy/GameBoy Color
31) Wii



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JRPGfan on 24 May 2018
The_Liquid_Laser said:
JRPGfan said:

PS4 is a worse system than NES? 64? Gamecube? Switch? 

Pretty much. 

Maybe with rose coloured glasses on, and nostaliga factored in.

By "then vs now", but by todays standards games are better than ever.
I stand by this, by today's standards, nes,64,gamecube should not be ahead of the PS4.

 

Alby_da_Wolf said:
JRPGfan said:

PS4 is a worse system than NES? 64? Gamecube? Switch?
naaaah.... lol cant believe its so low on list, its got a much stronger library of games imo, than those systems.

PS4 is probably better than 64 and GC, even considering each one in its epoch and context, and it's still better than NS, that still has to show its full potential, but NES in its era accomplished probably the second biggest goal ever in console gaming: after Atari 2600 (that shouldn't have been eliminated so early in this little contest of ours) truly launched the market, NES resurrected it after its first crisis, probably its worst ever, had left it almost dead.
Switch is still on the right path, and growing, to save, at least for another gen, portables from mobiles, it looks it can do it better than 3DS.
PS4 is becoming huge, it's thriving, but it's doing it starting on the shoulders of a previous excellent generation for home consoles, when even the losers enjoyed excellent sales, so its achievements, huge in absolute, are less impressive comparatively.

Edit. PS: But the contest rules clearly let voters use their favoured criteria, so deal with it. BTW I upvoted PS4 too feeling it deserves a better ranking than other machines, and I feel NS and DS should be above 3DS too, but I wouldn't do it compared to NES.

Ahh yes nostaliga, and buy ranking it for what it did for its time.
But if you rank them by todays standards, the NES should be waaaaay below the PS4.

How many old NES games do you want to go back and play today? maybe (and im being generous here) theres a handfull of games.
And realistically you might go on perfectly content never to touch a nes game again (their age shows).

In that sense I think nes is way overrated in this ranking.
With the SNES (i love the charm of certain rpgs from this era) Id agree it can be ranked high, but the NES? no.



The_Liquid_Laser on 24 May 2018
lebirri said:
Mandalore76 said:

Sorry, the 4 1/2 year old PS4 doesn't hold a candle to that legacy.  

I feel the urge to point out that this voting game is not only about legacy.

Otherwise the Odyssey for example would be somewhere else in this list...

Odyssey flopped in the market.  It doesn't have any legacy other than being an interesting footnote in game history.  Pong is what made the video game market really take off.  Odyssey did nothing for video games.



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The_Liquid_Laser on 24 May 2018
JRPGfan said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Pretty much. 

Maybe with rose coloured glasses on, and nostaliga factored in.

By "then vs now", but by todays standards games are better than ever.
I stand by this, by today's standards, nes,64,gamecube should not be ahead of the PS4.

Today's standards are too low.  Games used to be a lot better.  That is why the PS4 should be behind several other consoles.



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My Threads:
Master Thread, Game of the Year/Decade
Switch Will Be #1 All Time
Zelda Will Outsell Mario (Achieved)
How Much Will MH Rise sell?
My Bet With Metallox

JRPGfan on 24 May 2018
The_Liquid_Laser said:
JRPGfan said:

Maybe with rose coloured glasses on, and nostaliga factored in.

By "then vs now", but by todays standards games are better than ever.
I stand by this, by today's standards, nes,64,gamecube should not be ahead of the PS4.

Today's standards are too low.  Games used to be a lot better.  That is why the PS4 should be behind several other consoles.

Name 10 old NES games you would rather play than the new Spiderman/God of War/Ghost of tsushima/Last of US - Part 2 / Kingdom Hearts 3 / Dragon Quest XI?
And be honest.

Would you really rather play those games? when the others are out?



JRPGfan on 24 May 2018
The_Liquid_Laser said:
lebirri said:

I feel the urge to point out that this voting game is not only about legacy.

Otherwise the Odyssey for example would be somewhere else in this list...

Odyssey flopped in the market.  It doesn't have any legacy other than being an interesting footnote in game history.  Pong is what made the video game market really take off.  Odyssey did nothing for video games.

If I gave you a choice today.... right now..... spend the next 10 hours playing either game (you where forced to sit down and play).

Would you pick Pong? or Mario Odyssey?

Who in their right mind would pick Pong? common man.