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Who Responds Best to What Fans Want?

Microsoft 10 11.63%
 
Nintendo 12 13.95%
 
Sony 64 74.42%
 
Total:86

Nintendo

because often they do what fans never knew they wanted until Nintendo did it



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Vinther1991 said:
Listening to the fans is not always a good thing. For instance - the Switch wouldn't even exist if Nintendo listened to their fans. But now most seem to be very happy Nintendo went in that direction.

Huh? They basically copy/pasted the plans for the system from forums and rumors. Even if they done it on the sly, it's still listening to what fans wanted.



 

Lafiel said:

Nintendo

because often they do what fans never knew they wanted until Nintendo did it

People often don't truly know what they want. You can't 'respond' to a silent unknown.

Should the OT be "Which of the Big 3 respond best to what fans say they want?" or "Which of the Big 3 give fans what they actually want?"



John2290 said:
Vinther1991 said:
Listening to the fans is not always a good thing. For instance - the Switch wouldn't even exist if Nintendo listened to their fans. But now most seem to be very happy Nintendo went in that direction.

Huh? They basically copy/pasted the plans for the system from forums and rumors. Even if they done it on the sly, it's still listening to what fans wanted.

There might have been some that were asking for something like the Switch, but the vast majority wanted Nintendo to make a powerhouse console that could attract third parties.



Sony>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft

Nintendo does what they want , not even comparing them with sony or microsoft because they dont give 3 fucks about feedback.



 

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Vinther1991 said:
John2290 said:

Huh? They basically copy/pasted the plans for the system from forums and rumors. Even if they done it on the sly, it's still listening to what fans wanted.

There might have been some that were asking for something like the Switch, but the vast majority wanted Nintendo to make a powerhouse console that could attract third parties.

Hmm, It would be hard to judge but I remember as far back as the wiiU's release that gamers on forums were asking for a WiiU that actually held true to the idea, aka a switch like console. Maybe the majority were asking for a power house but the core audience were asking for a switch like console and whether Nintendo slyly took the idea or not they surely listened because there is no way in hell they managed to design the Switch perfectly as described by rumors and dedicated fans. Fans practically drew the initial plans for that console and Nintendo delivered. As much as I have problems with the Nintendo in some aspects and the switch itself I can surely hand it to them that they got what the core fans wanted, perfectly to the letter.



 

Signalstar said:

Microsoft

Listened:

-When fans hated the Xbox One always online and used game policy they got rid of it before launch.

I wouldn't attribute that to a situation where Microsoft listened. They got a lot of negative feedback from fans who had concerns with it. Some of which are in the armed service and liked to play Halo in their spare time, but won't have an internet connection. Dom Matrick's response was "Get a 360".

It wasn't until pre-order numbers for PS4 running circles around XBO went viral them that an MS excec put the hammer down and got rid of it.
So it was more a forced decision to survive rather than listening, imo.

Adding some more to this:

Sony listening:


In 2014 they had players vote for games they wanted localized on the Playstation Store in the west in something called "Building The List".
Yakuza 5 and Suikoden 2 were two of the games that got the highest amount of votes. I forget what the other game was, but this was a really nice thing to do and I hope they do it again. https://www.polygon.com/2014/12/6/7345297/yakuza-5-is-coming-to-ps4-in-north-america-and-europe

Nintendo listening:

Gamecube controller support for WiiU in correlation to the Smash 4 release.

Nintendo not listening:

Not including a charger with 3DS in many parts of the world. That's just stupid.


As for which company listens to the fans best, that's hard for me to determine. Pokemon fans enjoy playing virtually the same game over and over again for decades. And FIFA/Madden fans like so. And the console manufacturers push these games every year.
But from my own perspective, because of some of Nintendo's decisions I haven't had a Nintendo home console since N64. (I got 3DS though.) Switch is looking much better though so I might very well pick one up later when it has more games I want.
What I mainly loved about Nintendo's consoles aside from their own games was the incredibly strong third party support they had. That went over to Playstation instead, and they continue making consoles that attract third parties. (Aside from Cell being difficult to program for.)

As for Microsoft, I think I can easily rule them out because their sales numbers suggest that a lot of their fans from the 360 era are not getting what they want. Although I do think MS gives their current core base most of what they want, aside from some big AAA exclusives in the last few years.

Last edited by Hiku - on 05 May 2018

Hiku said:
Signalstar said:

Microsoft

Listened:

-When fans hated the Xbox One always online and used game policy they got rid of it before launch.

I wouldn't attribute that to a situation where Microsoft listened. They got a lot of negative feedback from fans who had concerns with it. Some of which are in the armed service and liked to play Halo in their spare time, but won't have an internet connection. Dom Matrick's response was "Get a 360".

It wasn't until pre-order numbers for PS4 running circles around XBO went viral them that an MS excec put the hammer down and got rid of it.
So it was more a forced decision to survive rather than listening, imo.

Adding some more to this:

Sony listening:


In 2014 they had players vote for games they wanted localized on the Playstation Store in the west in something called "Building The List".
Yakuza 5 and Suikoden 2 were two of the games that got the highest amount of votes. I forget what the other game was, but this was a really nice thing to do and I hope they do it again. https://www.polygon.com/2014/12/6/7345297/yakuza-5-is-coming-to-ps4-in-north-america-and-europe

Nintendo listening:

Gamecube controller support for WiiU in correlation to the Smash 4 release.

Nintendo not listening:

Not including a charger with 3DS in many parts of the world. That's just stupid.


As for which company listens to the fans best, that's hard for me to determine. Pokemon fans enjoy playing virtually the same game over and over again for decades. And FIFA/Madden fans like so. And the console manufacturers push these games every year.
But from my own perspective, because of some of Nintendo's decisions I haven't had a Nintendo home console since N64. (I got 3DS though.) Switch is looking much better though so I might very well pick one up later when it has more games I want.
What I mainly loved about Nintendo's consoles aside from their own games was the incredibly strong third party support they had. That went over to Playstation instead, and they continue making consoles that attract third parties. (Aside from Cell being difficult to program for.)

As for Microsoft, I think I can easily rule them out because their sales numbers suggest that a lot of their fans from the 360 era are not getting what they want. Although I do think MS gives their current core base most of what they want, aside from some big AAA exclusives in the last few years.

I could argue that many Xbox fans in the 360 era were just PS2 fans. When Sony started doing things right, they just went back home.

 

I have no evidence to back this up, though. It's just crazy that a console brand would go from 20 million to 80 million and then back to whatever the Xbox number is now.



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d21lewis said:
Hiku said:

I wouldn't attribute that to a situation where Microsoft listened. They got a lot of negative feedback from fans who had concerns with it. Some of which are in the armed service and liked to play Halo in their spare time, but won't have an internet connection. Dom Matrick's response was "Get a 360".

It wasn't until pre-order numbers for PS4 running circles around XBO went viral them that an MS excec put the hammer down and got rid of it.
So it was more a forced decision to survive rather than listening, imo.

Adding some more to this:

Sony listening:


In 2014 they had players vote for games they wanted localized on the Playstation Store in the west in something called "Building The List".
Yakuza 5 and Suikoden 2 were two of the games that got the highest amount of votes. I forget what the other game was, but this was a really nice thing to do and I hope they do it again. https://www.polygon.com/2014/12/6/7345297/yakuza-5-is-coming-to-ps4-in-north-america-and-europe

Nintendo listening:

Gamecube controller support for WiiU in correlation to the Smash 4 release.

Nintendo not listening:

Not including a charger with 3DS in many parts of the world. That's just stupid.


As for which company listens to the fans best, that's hard for me to determine. Pokemon fans enjoy playing virtually the same game over and over again for decades. And FIFA/Madden fans like so. And the console manufacturers push these games every year.
But from my own perspective, because of some of Nintendo's decisions I haven't had a Nintendo home console since N64. (I got 3DS though.) Switch is looking much better though so I might very well pick one up later when it has more games I want.
What I mainly loved about Nintendo's consoles aside from their own games was the incredibly strong third party support they had. That went over to Playstation instead, and they continue making consoles that attract third parties. (Aside from Cell being difficult to program for.)

As for Microsoft, I think I can easily rule them out because their sales numbers suggest that a lot of their fans from the 360 era are not getting what they want. Although I do think MS gives their current core base most of what they want, aside from some big AAA exclusives in the last few years.

I could argue that many Xbox fans in the 360 era were just PS2 fans. When Sony started doing things right, they just went back home.

 

I have no evidence to back this up, though. It's just crazy that a console brand would go from 20 million to 80 million and then back to whatever the Xbox number is now.

I think that's probably the assertion most people are making at this point.
Things like the red ring of death for 360 and the disc read errors of PS2 probably also inflated sales as they were very common, but yeah I think it's safe to say many PS2 fans became disgruntled with the PS3 at the start and bought a 360. Those people who are not not necessarily brand loyalists are more easily swayed to switch to another console for a new generation.

Last edited by Hiku - on 05 May 2018

Hello everyone,,
Right now it's Microsoft. They're basically just doing whatever gamers ask for. Sony is on top and doesn't give a fuck (PS Now instead of BC and... guess what... they don't care. Suck it) and Nintendo never does what you want... they do what they think you want.
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Microsoft was in that camp until Sony almost buried them at the start of this gen but since then, they've become the best consumer-friendly company by far imo. Will that change again if they get back on top? Yup. Then it will be Sony's turn to be good to us like they were during the PS3 days.
Why these guys don't figure out that being good to us WHILE being on top could KEEP them on top? I have no idea.

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