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I understand when its a halloween costume because that is just making fun or when some asshat wears Native American headdresses and bikinis to an outdoor concert. However, when someone wears a traditional outfit to a formal event, etc, that is more of a sign of respect.

If you read through the many replies, she gets a whole lot of support from those identifying themselves as Chinese.

This reminds me when a young pre-teen girl wanted a... I think it was Japanese birthday party because she loves the culture and imagery. Then someone took all offense to the picture she or her mom shared. Same BS.

We should be empowered to celebrate the many amazing cultural histories we have through this type celebration.



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1- She looks great

2- Every person has the right to user whatever the hell they want to.

It's simple as that. I'm over these salty bitches that moan about anything.



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Shouldn't people be a lot more concerned about the dudes in the back trying to be black?



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EricHiggin said:
LiquorandGunFun said:
this is stupid.

why is it anyone's business anyways? so what? its what she wants to wear.

Speaking of business, there are A LOT of cultures/religions/races that have adopted suits while doing business, weddings, social events, or even simply just going about their day. I guess everyone in the West should be appalled by this and should get on social media and demand they stop wearing them altogether. How dare they take someone's idea and modify it to fit their needs without being 100% true to the original idea!

I dont care what they want, its called freedom here in the USA.

 

If this was a gay guy this would not be an issue.

 

it shouldnt be an issue at all. there are so much more to life than being fashion police.



 

Mnementh said:
Nymeria said:

 It bothers me more that my native heritage was wiped away so I don't have the connection to it.  I wish it was taught more in school and society, that people were more aware that culture did exist here before colonization.  That the tribes are still here today and have value.  It honestly bothers me more when a European said to me how our (meaning American) history is "so young" acting like 1492 was day 1 of history in the "new world".

People being stupid and drunk dressing up on Halloween as caricatures pales compared to the legacy of poverty on reservations or the loss of culture of my own ancestors who were taken and forced to lose their "savage" nature.  I don't think we get much of anywhere picking on these superficial issues, the deeper roots of division are what interest me and working to a more knowledgeable and equitable society.

I conclude from what you write, you have native american heritage. And really, it is a shame that these cultures were destroyed. It says all, that today "native americans" are grouped together, as if it was one culture, while in reality it was many different. The same is true for africa, we often group that together, but before europeans destroyed the native cultures there existed a lot of different kingdoms.

And this all is a loss for all of humanity in reality. A diverse and rich cultural heritage is a big boon. Modern cultural products can rely on that. Movies, music, books and even games. Look alone how God of War forms a cultural heritage that wasn't destroyed into a great game. There are cultures that are not existing anymore, but their heritage is in parts intact. Take Babylon, Sumer, Ur. The Gilgamesh-myth is still known today. How many myths like that are now lost forever, because american and african cultures were destroyed?

And it should be more in our minds how badly american and african people were treated. We have in germany a culture of remembering what we did to jews, roma, gay people and communists. School classes have days they travel to the former KZs and learn what happened there. Do similar things happen for native americans and africans? I think we should all be aware of the crimes our ancestors commited. Not to feel guilty (I was and I am no Nazi), but to learn from it and learn to avoid similar things happen in the future.

I do, can still see it in my father and me as have naturally darker skin and hair.  Sadly, when my great grandmother was adopted she was taught to give up her culture as it was thought it was best to modernize and make them more European. 

I would caution saying they were destroyed. This creates the idea that the tribes are a relic of the past no longer present.  They are still around, and still struggling.  There was a big issue last year in the Dakotas when a pipeline was redirected away from the city and went across native land.  The local tribes protested fearing the damage it would do to places they feel are sacred.  They failed, the pipeline was built, and it had a leak causing environmental damage. Sadly this doesn't get much attention in the national media because those on the periphery become invisible.

I think people associate guilt and blame when they shouldn't.  Americans have an intense desire to be "good guys" that we struggle coming to terms when we fail to live up to our lofty ideals.  We don't talk about even recent history of interfering in elections or supporting tyrants.  We get very uncomfortable, so we prefer ignorance.  This is what leads to many mindsets about how "We're Number One!".  It isn't to condemn us, I love my country and love living here, but I think we can confront our faults and strive to be better, otherwise we have no context for our society or the world.



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SuperNova said: 

I think the fact that america has such a rich tradition of celebrating local heritage indiscriminately is great, actually. Everyone gets to get sloshed on St.Patricks day just as much as everyone gets to dress up for halloween and celebrate Oktoberfest. We need more of that, if you ask me. I think it's a great opportunity to educate a little as well, whenever possible.

I certainly don't take offense to anyone wearing a Dirndl, even if it's a bit reductive of German culture overall. As a notherner, I've never even worn a Dirndl (Dirndl and lederhosen are specifically Bavarian traditional dress and the Oktoberfest is a celebration for the Bavarian kings wedding if I remember correctly). Why we still celebrate it, I have no Idea but we have our own inner german mini culture appropiation going on, with Oktoberfest parties getting bigger in the north every year and more and more people dressing in Dirndls and Lederhosen.

For the most part bavarians seem to be very proud of their traditional clothes and their international popularity and tend to be really inclusive about it.

Like you said in the end it brings cultures closer toghether and I'd much rather be reduced to Lederhosen and Dirndls than to the atrocities comitted in WW2. Although I try to break it to people gently that for the most part, that is very much a bavarian thing and they should not expect to see them anywhere else outside of oktoberfest season.

It is likely that Bayern accounts for most of the German influence, the diamond flag is as popular as the national one for example.

I'd like to visit your country someday. My husband has been there and really wants me to see Berlin someday due to all the rich history.  He'd have to be my guide as I misunderstood him when he said "Kuss mich" and wondered what the heck a "Moose Kiss" meant.  Hate to have a mix up with a local when they ask for a "handy".

I tend to think of Kant and Beethoven, but they are both very far back.  I'd be curious what is popular among the culture there today.

I think I've gone off topic here, get excited when I talk to foreigners about their culture.



I didn't read the 100+ replies here, but...

Dat ass though...



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I dunno, do I get to call cultural appropriation on americans for eating Pizza since they're not italian like me ?
Do brits call cultural appropriation on anyone that isn't English that plays football ?
It's a dress, she's not pretending to be Chinese, thus it's not cultural appropriation



the-pi-guy said:

@bold: I'd accuse anybody of anything that they've done.  If a black person is being racist, I call it out.  If a white person is being racist, I call it out.  

If a male is being misogynist, I call it out.  If a female is being misandrist, I call it out.  

Apologies for butting in, but this jumped out at me.

I applaud your personal consistency. It is worth noting, however, that currently one of the "progressive" talking points is that "black people cannot be racist," and so forth. This is one of the reason why -- as a life-long liberal -- I cannot side with the current "progressive" or "politically correct" or "SJW" movement.



Mnementh said:
contestgamer said:

Not really, because the current status quo is a progressive authoritarian empire. So if what you said was true I'd pay more attention to instances of non progressive abuses, which exist, but unfortunately the real existential crisis atm is progressive oppression

Opressors, authoritarians and empires are per definition not progressive. If opressors call themself progressive, they're just simply wrong.

I love it when dictatorial regimes say they cannot by definition be dictatorial. I mean sure, you can make the definition of something whatever you want it to be, it doesnt change reality.