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Solid-Stark said:
Darashiva said:

You clearly just don't understand what teacher's do. It's so far removed from just holding lessons and grading tests on your free time. So here's a few things you might want to take into account as well, besides the 30 hours of lessons and 15 hours of working at home. Parent-teacher conferences, students who require constant additional help during every single class you hold, which might include up to 30 students at once. This would mean that in a class where 27 students can study normally, that would still leave three students who might require constant supervision to be able to get anything done at all, which leaves those 27 students with little to no attention from the teacher.  Of course then there's the fact that a teacher is generally expected to be available for parents to contact about matter regarding their children at almost all times. That's not even close to everything, but just a start. You're lucky if you get away with a 40 hour work week as a teacher.

And the thing is, it's not ultimately the teachers who suffer the most from schools not having the funding and teachers not getting compensated properly for the work they do. It's the students who'll eventually pay the most for this, since they won't be getting a proper education when there are no more qualified teachers to do their job.

I appreciate what you've said in this thread. I'm a current teacher, working 60 hours a week on average, arriving early and leaving late, and I still have more to do at home. I opted for this career when I was young and my philosophy on why I do this has changed over time, but I am in this for my students and community because our race and academic achievement is historically poor.

The "good teacher" has become rare because conditions have pinned teachers to come up with creative ways to cut corners in pedagogy. These teachers are then seen as lackluster, and then the shortcomings in education tend to fall on "poor teachers".

At my school we have no counselors so those responsibilities are put on instructors (something that was not in our contracts and not told to us at the time). Of course the pay only reflects to being an instructor, and it isn't very good either. We get continuously bombarded with additional mandatory responsibilities. If a student did not pass a semester, we plan the night school course regardless if we teach it or not. Apparently same will go for summer school.  If we don't like it, then we can give up the job. Of course no one is going to do this because we all have to make ends meet. Oh and it's a charter. We strike, and we lose our jobs.

It's not hard to see why there is a huge teacher turn over rate, and why there are few people preparing to become teachers. No one wants to do it. Especially math and science. I have told my students that I am committed to seeing them graduate. After my current class graduates, I may look to do something else.

Just had to get that out.

 

No problem. There seems to be a lot that many people here just don't seem to understand or don't want to understand when it comes to teaching and what teachers do. Living in Finland I can say that I am relatively fortunate as a teacher as our system is generally considered among the best in the world, but even we've had a lot of cuts to education in the last 5 years, and from what I've read things are a lot worse elsewhere in the world, like in the US.

Often people just don't seem to realize that with how the educational systems have been set up in some places teachers are sometimes just unable to do the job they're supposed to through no fault of their own. Teaching is very much a calling, and like you said, it's not something a person does to become rich, but there's still a certain expectation when it comes to salary for a person whose had to spend several years studying at a university level to even qualify for that job.



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Everyone has the right to deny service if they feel they aren't getting compensated, it's what provided the conditions we mostly enjoy in modern times



VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

Nah 37

Ah, so you're conveniently just above the cut-off rate.

Not convenient, but I believe life needs to break you in for your to have political power. Young people are leftists usually and idealistic, once life breaks them in they become more reasonable



contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

Ah, so you're conveniently just above the cut-off rate.

Not convenient, but I believe life needs to break you in for your to have political power. Young people are leftists usually and idealistic, once life breaks them in they become more reasonable

The young have the "reasoning", they are generally concerned about fairness and logic, what happens as we age and experience life we become "fearful" this pushes us in a more conservative direction 

There is actually strong scientific evidence of the difference in your brain depending on political preference, conservatives having the brain of a more fearful person  

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/psychological-differences-between-conservatives-and-liberals-2018-2?r=US&IR=T 



Rab said:
contestgamer said:

Not convenient, but I believe life needs to break you in for your to have political power. Young people are leftists usually and idealistic, once life breaks them in they become more reasonable

The young have the "reasoning", they are generally concerned about fairness and logic, what happens as we age and experience life we become "fearful" this pushes us in a more conservative direction 

There is actually strong scientific evidence of the difference in your brain depending on political preference, conservatives having the brain of a more fearful person  

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/psychological-differences-between-conservatives-and-liberals-2018-2?r=US&IR=T 

Conservative doesnt mean anything. a 90s liberal is a todays conservative, these spectrums are always changing



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Here's a picture of what it is like in Arizona, my home state:

This is about so much more than just salaries and wages.

The fact of the matter is, year in and year out, our teachers are being asked to do more with less. 
They essentially have to be a 3rd parent to 40-60 different kids, while not making as much money as the kids' actual parents, to try and support themselves and their own kids. And they have to do this with pisspoor funding, severely outdated textbooks, and diminishing resources. 
To anyone who is a parent, how would you feel about your child's/childrens' education being shortchanged like this?
The teachers are taking matters into their own hands and doing this now, so that our kids and their parents won't have to do it later. So that they receive better support and get more out of their education than the teachers are able to provide at the moment. 

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I agree with it. The USA is just so corrupt at this point that people are gonna have to begin striking to get a fair shake. Goverments and companies tell the public they have no money yet every year these same organizations are posting record profit, many times profit in the billions.
In NY i manage about 40 employees and when the NY min wage increases became a thing the company cried their ass off about how much more they have to pay the people running their operation. 1/yr year later the min wage increases did not even impact the budget. Over the course of 5 years everyone gets $1 increase and if they all work fulltime its a total of $84k per year or $415k in 5 years...... in 5 years the operation will profit $25 million dollars.

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gergroy said:
Aeolus451 said:

 Teachers in the US don't have to do all that. Curriculum and all that is decided for them. If they want to do elaborate lesson plans or do stuff that's not in the text books, that's completely their choice. They get the summer off unless they're doing extra things like summer school. They're getting paid alot considering the time they get off and it's office work. I have a friend who works in IT for the school system and I asked him about this topic. They're just wanting to get paid alot for their job and they're using an appeal to emotions "getting grossly" to get it. Alot of them work an extra job during the summer for extra money or something to do. They don't have to buy a new car every year or have a huge house or brand name everything. Alot of people like to live beyond their means and they feel like the they're not making enough. 

Haha, what!?  Glad your friend told you all about it.  As an actual teacher, I can tell you that my curriculum is certainly not decided for me.  There are obviously core standards I have to cover, but that doesn’t mean they give me a lesson plan to teach it.  The standard is like one sentence that I have to make into a two week long unit.  Honestly I can’t remember the last time I worked less than 60 hours in a week.  So much more than just lesson plans, you got various school committees you have to take part of, after school tutoring, extra curricular organizations, conferences, iep meetings and all the paperwork involved in that, and then grading all that homework.

 

personally, I’m not taking part in any protests.  You don’t become a teacher because of the money.  However, if you are trying to say teachers aren’t underpaid it is just an ignorant comment.  No offense.  Most people don’t actually have any idea what goes into being a teacher.  It is way more work than you would think.  

 

The more important issue is with teacher rentention.  They require teachers to get these nice college degrees in order to get their license, and then pay them almost half of what they could get in the private sector with that degree.  This is why we can’t keep any math teachers around for example.  The fact of the matter is that teachers have all the qualifications to go out and get much better paying jobs, which is why teaching has become a revolving door profession and why we have one of the worst teacher shortages we have ever had right now in this country...

They are not underpaid. They work in office conditions and get a paid whole summer vacation. They're acting entitled. If anything, their workload should be increased to keep them busy enough so they can't have orgies with their students and maybe the kids will eat less tide pods. Btw, I'm not saying that the teachers all do that but it's happening alot more. 



Aeolus451 said:
gergroy said:

Haha, what!?  Glad your friend told you all about it.  As an actual teacher, I can tell you that my curriculum is certainly not decided for me.  There are obviously core standards I have to cover, but that doesn’t mean they give me a lesson plan to teach it.  The standard is like one sentence that I have to make into a two week long unit.  Honestly I can’t remember the last time I worked less than 60 hours in a week.  So much more than just lesson plans, you got various school committees you have to take part of, after school tutoring, extra curricular organizations, conferences, iep meetings and all the paperwork involved in that, and then grading all that homework.

 

personally, I’m not taking part in any protests.  You don’t become a teacher because of the money.  However, if you are trying to say teachers aren’t underpaid it is just an ignorant comment.  No offense.  Most people don’t actually have any idea what goes into being a teacher.  It is way more work than you would think.  

 

The more important issue is with teacher rentention.  They require teachers to get these nice college degrees in order to get their license, and then pay them almost half of what they could get in the private sector with that degree.  This is why we can’t keep any math teachers around for example.  The fact of the matter is that teachers have all the qualifications to go out and get much better paying jobs, which is why teaching has become a revolving door profession and why we have one of the worst teacher shortages we have ever had right now in this country...

They are not underpaid. They work in office conditions and get a paid whole summer vacation. They're acting entitled. If anything, their workload should be increased to keep them busy enough so they can't have orgies with their students and maybe the kids will eat less tide pods. Btw, I'm not saying that the teachers all do that but it's happening alot more. 

Yeah, or maybe its because 1/3rd of their teachers aren’t even qualified to teach them because all the qualified people are leaving the profession and not enough people are entering it...  teachers also don’t get paid over the summer, those are no pay days.  You can choose to have your check split up so you get a paycheck, but we aren’t paid for that break.  Also sounds like you need to spend a day in a classroom.  I have worked construction jobs and landscaping jobs and you various minimum wage retail jobs and I am way more exhausted at the end of a day of teaching then any of those jobs. But whatever, sounds like you have your opinion, even if it isn’t based on reality...



Aeolus451 said:

They are not underpaid. They work in office conditions and get a paid whole summer vacation.

How many offices do you know that have 25-30 kids that they need to take care of? An office is a stable environment with adults. I don't think you have even the slightest clue of what teaching entails.