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They chose to wall themselves in cause they couldn't stand to be part of something bigger so It's hard to imagine that they can now be surprised at the consequences of their ignorant decision. They better start investing in passports cause no matter where they go outside of the UK, they will need it. We still can move in 27 countries without it.

Almost everyone else in the western world gets it. The EU gets it which is why we have a European UNION, the USA gets is which is why it's the UNITED States of America. You'd think the Brits would get it, after all they have the UNITED Kingdom... But the word "united" obviously only goes so far for them. But the show is not over, let's wait and see what Scotland will do cause it will have to choose between the UK and the EU and if it ever chooses the EU over the UK it will be the biggest irony in the history of the European continent.

Oh man why do I even think about this, it's done, the UK is leaving and I'm sorry for the millions of Brits who voted to stay in the EU, I wish them the best and I hope we can remain friends. If I ever see a Brit over here in the EU, I will welcome him/her cause if he/she is here it obviously means he/she is open minded regarding this issue.



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CrazyGamer2017 said:

They chose to wall themselves in cause they couldn't stand to be part of something bigger so It's hard to imagine that they can now be surprised at the consequences of their ignorant decision. They better start investing in passports cause no matter where they go outside of the UK, they will need it. We still can move in 27 countries without it.

Almost everyone else in the western world gets it. The EU gets it which is why we have a European UNION, the USA gets is which is why it's the UNITED States of America. You'd think the Brits would get it, after all they have the UNITED Kingdom... But the word "united" obviously only goes so far for them. But the show is not over, let's wait and see what Scotland will do cause it will have to choose between the UK and the EU and if it ever chooses the EU over the UK it will be the biggest irony in the history of the European continent.

Oh man why do I even think about this, it's done, the UK is leaving and I'm sorry for the millions of Brits who voted to stay in the EU, I wish them the best and I hope we can remain friends. If I ever see a Brit over here in the EU, I will welcome him/her cause if he/she is here it obviously means he/she is open minded regarding this issue.


It's the European union, not the middle eastern union. That's why they had Brexit. It would not have happened without the migrant crisis. If the "united states"get its, according to you, they wouldnt have elected Trump. They're also a union for the United States, and once they tried expanding that to be the American-Mexican open border union, you ended up with a moron like trump. It seems that it's you who don't get it in the end. Wanting unity doesn't mean opening your borders to everyone on earth. It means peacefully coexisting. 



kowenicki said:
I find it funny that someone from Germany cares about Brexit. I find it disturbing that someone from Germany doesn't care about one person one vote and democracy.

Mind your own business.... and we will mind ours soon.. Good luck filling that void of our contribution, either some of the poorer nation will get less or some of the richer nations will need to pay more.

I voted remain, but the longer this has gone on the happier I am with getting out of Dodge. I'm getting tired of the left sulking every time it loses. The EU is a bullying cesspit of unelected self serving scumbags trying to keep the status quo for certain nations. I want none of it.

...and 6 quid... who cares!? I pay almost that every time I use the M6 toll road to save myself an hour when I'm driving south.


Not much to fill actually, due to the UK rebate the amount they paid and got back from the EU through investments and subsidies are much closer than they should have been in the first place.



contestgamer said:


It's the European union, not the middle eastern union. That's why they had Brexit. It would not have happened without the migrant crisis. If the "united states"get its, according to you, they wouldnt have elected Trump. They're also a union for the United States, and once they tried expanding that to be the American-Mexican open border union, you ended up with a moron like trump. It seems that it's you who don't get it in the end. Wanting unity doesn't mean opening your borders to everyone on earth. It means peacefully coexisting. 

Dude you're attacking the wrong guy. I'm all against immigration and "islamization" of the west. Just to be clear.

However I don't think that really applies to Brexit.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that muslim guy that is the mayor of London, well it's not the EU who put him there right? And leaving the EU won't remove him from that post. It's not the EU who told the UK to allow extremists to live inside the UK right? London has one of the biggest muslim populations of all Europe and while I agree that the immigrants crisis is not helping this situation, the Brits have the most extreme and fundamental muslims living in the UK, especially in and around London.

And just in case you wish to accuse the EU of being the cause of that unwanted population, you might be in for a bad surprise if you think exiting the EU means all those immigrants are just going to go away. You'll realize that the UK government won't lift a finger to get all those people out anymore than the EU government does. At best the UK might toughen up their laws for new migrants but the HUGE mass of people already there will stay and more will come, it will be harder for them with tougher immigration laws but more will still come.

My point is if the immigration crisis is the reason why you believe in Brexit, you are in for a huge disappointment. Nothing regarding this specific issue will change with Brexit. So I agree that we are going down a dangerous road in the EU regarding lax immigration laws but the UK outside the EU will change almost nothing about it. One can have a lot of other reasons to wish for Brexit but immigration is NOT a valid one.

Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 01 May 2018

contestgamer said:
Errorist76 said:

So you’re a racist. Alright.

You're a moron. Good job conflating nationalism with racism, especially to someone in a multi racial relationship XD

Both racism and nationalism are vile ideologies.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
contestgamer said:

Because I want countries to maintain their identities. Multicultural countries become Americanized countries. European countries have existed for thousands of years, with rich culture, geneology, customs, etc. America/Canada can be multicultural, because thats how they were created. Not every country needs to be. I dont even care if theyre good people or not, I care about maintaining identity and heritage. 

@bolded: Nationhood as a concept isn't even that old in europe, that basically emerged after the 100 years war when feudalism came to end.

And it's so ironic that so many brits apparently fear immigrants, considering how many out of their former colonies (especially British India) have settled there and brought their culture with them. Cheap eastern European workers have kept farming and factory production alive in the UK when everybody else moved to offices and services. The UK was a country of immigration throughout most of the last century. It's part of the heritage to be multicultural. If you don't like that, you'll have to throw everybody out with colonial heritage - but then the Island would be pretty empty.

Good to see someone who knows what they are talking about. European countries have, quite literally, not existed for thousands of years. The birth of the concept of the state emerged through the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648, which literally established the principles of what a state is, what a people is, and what is the relation between the Sovereign of a state, the citizen-subjects, and the nation. 

It took a couple of centuries more, still, to fully develop the notion of the 'nation-state', as enlightenment took onboard prior romanticism to situate the idea of a unitary nation-state, comprised of a homogeneous people. It wasn't until the early days of capitalism that states took on their current form, and it was only in the 19th century that we can clearly begin to see the emergence of nationalism as a principle of organization and as a tool of propaganda at the hands of the state apparatus and the governing elite.

Your second point, about the irony behind the former colonial past of Great Britain, is also salient, and well put. A country whose history has been defined by its colonial past is now hypocritically attempting to excise itself from the fruits of its actions. This new attempt to sanitize British culture and nationality, to deny the impacts all these minorities, ethnic and religious groups -- and indeed history itself -- had on Britain, is solipsism in its most blatant form.

It is easy to rewrite history, and to re-imagine history. It takes guts to open your eyes to the truth and face up to its consequences.

You can forget who you are, and where you've been. But to take pride in doing so is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

To those of you, you know who are: Go ahead, put your fingers in your ears. This deafening silence will always be your own self-betrayal. This is not about politics, but about self-respect. Manufacture history at your own peril.

Last edited by Helloplite - on 01 May 2018

contestgamer said:
Errorist76 said:

So you’re a racist. Alright.

You're a moron. Good job conflating nationalism with racism, especially to someone in a multi racial relationship XD

"I am not racist, I have coloured friends". Said every racist, like, ever.

Good job distancing yourself from the inherent links between racism and nationalism.



Helloplite said:
contestgamer said:

You're a moron. Good job conflating nationalism with racism, especially to someone in a multi racial relationship XD

"I am not racist, I have coloured friends". Said every racist, like, ever.

Good job distancing yourself from the inherent links between racism and nationalism.

That is not correct. I'm pretty sure Nazis never said that Jews, Black or any other non white race was their friends to justify nazism. Neither do I recall the KKK saying they have black friends to try and prove they are not racist because they are racist.

So just to be clear are you saying that pro-brexiters which are obviously nationalists are inherently racist? I would be ok with that as I strongly stand against Brexit but I'm just curious to know if that's what you are saying?



Helloplite said:
contestgamer said:

You're a moron. Good job conflating nationalism with racism, especially to someone in a multi racial relationship XD

"I am not racist, I have coloured friends". Said every racist, like, ever.

Good job distancing yourself from the inherent links between racism and nationalism.

You're very predictable. If someone doesn't have multi race friends/relationships they're a racist. If someone does they're a racist. Which means you're a racist yourself, because there's a 100% chance everyone is a racist with your logic. 



Brexiters were campaigning mostly on xenophobia not racism. They were amplifying and blowing out of proportions only benefits of Brexit, which by the way was mostly false. They got most of their votes from educated but retired middle class and ignorant and uneducated part of lower class. Remainers on other hand were very weak to counter that hoax. Now we are in a mess beyond repair.