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Having played the game this is as moot point. God of War isn't even that anymore. It like they are super late to the party.



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sundin13 said:
Polygon is trash, but I see little in this article to really get upset about. Yeah, people have that knee-jerk reaction to the phrase "toxic masculinity", but if you get past the buzzwords you don't like, there really isn't much being said that is all that controversial. The interviewer could have phrased the question differently to avoid such highly divisive phrases, but it really wouldn't change much of anything about what is being said, and what is being said is a kind of interesting look at how and why Kratos was reimagined and evolved through this immensely popular game.

I don't know, maybe I'm just tired of "outrage culture" and have a hard time getting upset about things that really don't matter.



Let us duly note here that the same people who voice objection to the "divisive labels" contained in the article linked in the OP are also throwing around terms like "SJWs", "idiots", "children", etc. in the very same breath, and don't see any irony. The same people who deny the existence of masculine toxicity are proposing that detractors to their political line "need to die", complaining about how Lara Croft is supposedly a "masculine" character because she stars in an action franchise, and so on and so forth like this, and don't see how they might be, in so doing, kinda validating the verbiage about which they are complaining. There is more genuine divisiveness contained on this thread than in the linked article.

In the linked interview, God of War's director does not complain about the questions he receives, but instead answers them intelligently, by all implications accepting their framing. Let me propose that that's because he does not necessarily disagree with it himself. Methinks that perhaps our forum rightists simply wish that he did.



Are they a subsidiary of Buzzfeed?



GOWTLOZ said:
Are they a subsidiary of Buzzfeed?

They are subsidiary of Toxic Stupidity Unlimited.



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GoOnKid said:
sundin13 said:
Polygon is trash, but I see little in this article to really get upset about. Yeah, people have that knee-jerk reaction to the phrase "toxic masculinity", but if you get past the buzzwords you don't like, there really isn't much being said that is all that controversial. The interviewer could have phrased the question differently to avoid such highly divisive phrases, but it really wouldn't change much of anything about what is being said, and what is being said is a kind of interesting look at how and why Kratos was reimagined and evolved through this immensely popular game.

I don't know, maybe I'm just tired of "outrage culture" and have a hard time getting upset about things that really don't matter.

Haha, thanks for highlighting this post. Outrage Culture, I like that =D



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Jaicee said:

Let us duly note here that the same people who voice objection to the "divisive labels" contained in the article linked in the OP are also throwing around terms like "SJWs", "idiots", "children", etc. in the very same breath, and don't see any irony. The same people who deny the existence of masculine toxicity are proposing that detractors to their political line "need to die", complaining about how Lara Croft is supposedly a "masculine" character because she stars in an action franchise, and so on and so forth like this, and don't see how they might be, in so doing, kinda validating the verbiage about which they are complaining. There is more genuine divisiveness contained on this thread than in the linked article.

In the linked interview, God of War's director does not complain about the questions he receives, but instead answers them intelligently, by all implications accepting their framing. Let me propose that that's because he does not necessarily disagree with it himself. Methinks that perhaps our forum rightists simply wish that he did.

"The same people who deny the existence of masculine toxicity"

do you believe that feminine toxicity exists? and if so how would you define it?

 

"are proposing that detractors to their political line "need to die""

what political line are you referring to?



Jaicee said:

Let us duly note here that the same people who voice objection to the "divisive labels" contained in the article linked in the OP are also throwing around terms like "SJWs", "idiots", "children", etc. in the very same breath, and don't see any irony. The same people who deny the existence of masculine toxicity are proposing that detractors to their political line "need to die", complaining about how Lara Croft is supposedly a "masculine" character because she stars in an action franchise, and so on and so forth like this, and don't see how they might be, in so doing, kinda validating the verbiage about which they are complaining. There is more genuine divisiveness contained on this thread than in the linked article.

In the linked interview, God of War's director does not complain about the questions he receives, but instead answers them intelligently, by all implications accepting their framing. Let me propose that that's because he does not necessarily disagree with it himself. Methinks that perhaps our forum rightists simply wish that he did.

You don't have to be right wing to dislike labels like "toxic masculinity", or other such concepts that go along with it. 

However, you are right that this is outrage culture at its worse. Personally, I can be outraged by opinions on occasion, but this is just hating for the sake of a a few specific labels...ironically enough.



HoloDust said:
GOWTLOZ said:
Are they a subsidiary of Buzzfeed?

They are subsidiary of Toxic Stupidity Unlimited.

Same thing.



o_O.Q said:

"The same people who deny the existence of masculine toxicity"

do you believe that feminine toxicity exists? and if so how would you define it?

 

"are proposing that detractors to their political line "need to die""

what political line are you referring to?

To answer your first question, what we would call toxic behavior certainly exists among women. I participate in it sometimes, tbh. :P But it is not considered feminine behavior. It is not considered "womanly" or "ladylike". Aggressive behavior from men is written off and excused as genetically-rooted and inevitable. ("Boys will be boys", after all.) Aggressive behavior from women, by contrast, is considered unnatural and unacceptable, and thus are women expected to control ourselves a great deal more than our male counterparts. One sees manifestations of this reality all the time, perhaps the starkest of which is the simple fact that some 80% of all violent crimes in the U.S., for example, are committed by men. For women, violence tends to be considered an unacceptable recourse even in self-defense. (One does not fight. One calls upon a man to defend them from the threat of death.)

To answer your second question, my quoted reference was to a post made by John220 on page 5.