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Ganoncrotch said:
Angelus said:
The real thing to take away from the way they handled Vision, is the same thing everyone with common sense has been taking away from the way they've handled Vision from the moment they first introduced him. He was brought into the MCU for the sole purpose of dying. He's never been given anything meaningful to do. He's never gotten any iconic moments. He's never been given a chance to demonstrate his real power. No effort was made to create any audience investment for him. He's just a face with an infinity stone in it, and he met the expiration date that was always printed on the bottom of his foot.

He went into Ultron and locked out his ethernet connection... or well he locked him from the net to keep him in Skor..kovia (?) and he also have his judgement on Ultron and killed the last one of him after reminding Ultron that he could be being naive as he was born yesterday (loved that line)

I think he is a character who will maybe shine a bit in part 2 if he is returned, he hasn't really had an enemy which he can solo have a battle with, maybe Thanos and him will fight to a more conclusive way and give vision a bit of screen time where he isn't just acting out a child God role. Remember the other films he was in he was battling basically his evil clone and in Civil war he was at the airport scene but what could he really do? vaporize the "rebels" with a single blink, would have been pretty anticlimactic and far darker a tone. Heck.... with a missed shot from him he wrecked War Machine pretty badly.

Meh, locking Ultron out of the internet wasn't really any kind of character moment, it was simply a thing that needed to happen for the sake of the plot, and he was the device that made it happen. Mostly just by telling us he made it happen, as I recall. And killing the last bot....again, meh....we had just got done watching them fall by the hundreds. Letting him get the last one is really just throwing him a bone more than anything.

And he won't be back. They clearly either don't know what to do with him, or don't care to try. At best, they might bring him back in a Jarvis like capacity.



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So... anyone here think that the Snap itself was kinda underwhelming?



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XanderXT said:
So... anyone here think that the Snap itself was kinda underwhelming?

It's weird, isn't it? I wonder how a snap works if you're wearing a metal gauntlet. Surely it shouldn't sound like a snap?



mZuzek said:
Ganoncrotch said:

He went into Ultron and locked out his ethernet connection... or well he locked him from the net to keep him in Skor..kovia (?) and he also have his judgement on Ultron and killed the last one of him after reminding Ultron that he could be being naive as he was born yesterday (loved that line)

Agreed on this, he was pretty good in Age of Ultron, for as weird as saying that sounds. He was then underused dramatically in Civil War, and now he was just a bitch. I don't think he was ever meant to be much more as a character, but personally I think he was good enough.

But what could he have done in Civil war? dematerialize his fists and have them reemerge inside the rebels body's killing them instantly. I just mean it's sort of a Batman V Superman issue... one is a guy in a suit that his butler tends to... the other is a God who can Sneeze entire galaxies away by accident... how can you bring these two beings together and have a fair fight on screen which makes any sense. Vision just remained at the back of the civil war fight watching over the battle... was really all he could do outside of passing through ant man for comedy sake basically. He did use his power to make his body solid as diamonds to block a bus from flying at.... someone, think it was Widow maybe.

This is why I'm hoping to see him return Vs Thanos, because he could have a full on fight with him to try to get his Mind Stone back even if Vision is just a combination of Jarvis/Ultron and Vibranium  in part 2



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mZuzek said:
XanderXT said:
So... anyone here think that the Snap itself was kinda underwhelming?

It's weird, isn't it? I wonder how a snap works if you're wearing a metal gauntlet. Surely it shouldn't sound like a snap?

It would probably sound more like a scraping sound.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Metallox said:

So now we only need the other half to die and we'll return to happiness?! 

Yes. And then kill all of DC's characters. Perfect. Perrrfecct!

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mZuzek said:
XanderXT said:
So... anyone here think that the Snap itself was kinda underwhelming?

It's weird, isn't it? I wonder how a snap works if you're wearing a metal gauntlet. Surely it shouldn't sound like a snap?

Thanos clanking his fingers wouldn't quite sound right in the script though :D

I thought the audio in the aftermath of the snap was amazingly done, just so haunting... and watching a super young Spiderman saying Sorry to Tony Stark for him dying... I mean how fucking haunting must that be for Iron Man? The kid he bought to the fight turned to ash with him powerless to stop it.



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PwerlvlAmy said:
the whole ''we can still fix this'' time skip thing is such a cop out, you know damn well everyone is coming back next movie using that cop out. Its lame lol

The comics already laid the groundwork for this outcome, and the time stone can't save them.

Explaining that would be a mega spoiler, though.



Ganoncrotch said:
mZuzek said:

Agreed on this, he was pretty good in Age of Ultron, for as weird as saying that sounds. He was then underused dramatically in Civil War, and now he was just a bitch. I don't think he was ever meant to be much more as a character, but personally I think he was good enough.

But what could he have done in Civil war? dematerialize his fists and have them reemerge inside the rebels body's killing them instantly. I just mean it's sort of a Batman V Superman issue... one is a guy in a suit that his butler tends to... the other is a God who can Sneeze entire galaxies away by accident... how can you bring these two beings together and have a fair fight on screen which makes any sense. Vision just remained at the back of the civil war fight watching over the battle... was really all he could do outside of passing through ant man for comedy sake basically. He did use his power to make his body solid as diamonds to block a bus from flying at.... someone, think it was Widow maybe.

This is why I'm hoping to see him return Vs Thanos, because he could have a full on fight with him to try to get his Mind Stone back even if Vision is just a combination of Jarvis/Ultron and Vibranium  in part 2

I'm not saying he should have done more. If anything, he just shouldn't have been in that movie (along with Wanda), but they needed those two to 1. make the conflict more relevant by having more characters, and 2. develop a relationship and have more screen time in an attempt to make the audience care more about them before Infinity War. It shouldn't be weird that those two were essentially a non-presence in the airport battle, but it is because they could have nullified each other instead of doing nothing. And of course, when Vision tries to stop Cap from getting to a plane by dropping a fucking tower in front of them... lol.



mZuzek said:
Ganoncrotch said:

But what could he have done in Civil war? dematerialize his fists and have them reemerge inside the rebels body's killing them instantly. I just mean it's sort of a Batman V Superman issue... one is a guy in a suit that his butler tends to... the other is a God who can Sneeze entire galaxies away by accident... how can you bring these two beings together and have a fair fight on screen which makes any sense. Vision just remained at the back of the civil war fight watching over the battle... was really all he could do outside of passing through ant man for comedy sake basically. He did use his power to make his body solid as diamonds to block a bus from flying at.... someone, think it was Widow maybe.

This is why I'm hoping to see him return Vs Thanos, because he could have a full on fight with him to try to get his Mind Stone back even if Vision is just a combination of Jarvis/Ultron and Vibranium  in part 2

I'm not saying he should have done more. If anything, he just shouldn't have been in that movie (along with Wanda), but they needed those two to 1. make the conflict more relevant by having more characters, and 2. develop a relationship and have more screen time in an attempt to make the audience care more about them before Infinity War. It shouldn't be weird that those two were essentially a non-presence in the airport battle, but it is because they could have nullified each other instead of doing nothing. And of course, when Vision tries to stop Cap from getting to a plane by dropping a fucking tower in front of them... lol.

Might have been a better idea for them to rethink the scene and leave them out of the airport battle altogether? Just have Hawkeye turn up to the Avengers building and get declined by Wanda to leave and join them, I understand she didn't like being under house arrest there, but they could have tried to evolve their relationship at the Avengers building instead... maybe have Wanda show vision the fighting going on without them there and have her convince him that sometimes you just have to fight... I dunno but think they might have suffered for the sake of showing up at that fight just for the sake of getting all the Avengers there to that fight for trailer shots or posters....

It did look awesome though...



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