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Signalstar said:
As a movie it sucks. As a long ass TV episode tying together 10 years/ 18 stories together it is incredible.

One thing that sucks though is you pretty much need to see every other MCU movie before it to know what the hell is going on. The only MCU movies that you can ignore for this film are Iron Man 3 (even though its my favorite one of that trilogy) and Ant-Man (I really wanted him in the movie).

It sucks that Spiderman died. At least it was random chance and not the fact that he decided to tag along and got killed in battle. Also I just can't come to grips with all of these people breathing in space and on other planets.

Thor is an asgardian, so that would be why.

 

We can only assume titan had leftover oxygen. But, these are fantasy movies, not sci-fi. So, you knew what you were in for.



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mZuzek said:
LipeJJ said:
Watched it last friday and I gotta say I loved it! It easily surpassed my expectations. I don't consider myself a fan, and I certainly don't understand some things, but I'm really liking this MCU. Guardians of the Galaxy is already among my favorite franchises ever, and I'm really liking the new Spiderman (it's very fresh and fun in a good way). Doctor Strange was another movie I liked too.

Anyway, I still need to complain about some things. It's nothing major, just things that bugged me a bit. One of those things is how Vision was handled inconsistently. I mean, he seemed powerful on other movies, but on Infinity War he looked like the weakest of the bunch (Wanda seemed inconsistent for me too). He couldn't keep with the black order guys at all and had his ass handled to him the whole movie by ANY enemy. I mean, wtf? Isn't he supposed to be powerful since he has an infinity stone carved on his head? O.o He should be able to at least put up a fight.

It was made clear at the beginning of the movie that Vision is "evolving", and this evolution is essentially him becoming more human. I think it makes sense if he's starting to become more human, that he feels different kinds of emotions and feels more at comfort with the world, he'd let himself be affected by things more easily and not be able to make full use of his powers as easily.

Also, the Black Order dudes basically had an "anti-Vision" spear because plot, so, that.

Anyway, nice to see someone coming into this franchise more recently and really loving it. I must say it's hard to not love the MCU right now, every single Phase 3 (2016 on) movie was great, and they just seem to keep getting better and better too. Did you see Black Panther?

Yeah that spear which he was stuck with at the very start stopped him from being able to phase like he had done in all his previous appearances, the damage from it sticking through him also remained on his body right up until his death at the end, you don't see damage which sticks on a character for 2 hours of a movie unless they're making a point of "this shit hurt him". That's what I took from it anyway.

 

Gotta say.... I'm loving some of the memes this movie has generated.

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TranceformerFX said:
We didn't need your damn film synopsis in order to get your opinion. We did SEE the movie, ya know?

Also, the ending wasn't climactic at all and pandered to idiots. The heroes deserved an actual death, not genocide by gauntlet. Stupid ending to a great movie.

Some people in this thread didn't, read the second person posting here who isn't me. Thread title is also called plot discussion and since the movie was new and I had seen it on a midnight screening I wanted to write up most of what I recalled in case others had watched it but missed certain things since I think my OP now covers all story beats it stops posts such as "the heroes deserved an actual death" because the thread has gone on to explain why this isn't the case really.

If people were killed by something other than the Gauntlet along with the Soul infinity stone they would have to do a lot more work to bring them back such as the death of Gamora or Vision requiring the work going on in Black Panthers sisters lab.

But hey, maybe everyone here is just an idiot lol.



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The real thing to take away from the way they handled Vision, is the same thing everyone with common sense has been taking away from the way they've handled Vision from the moment they first introduced him. He was brought into the MCU for the sole purpose of dying. He's never been given anything meaningful to do. He's never gotten any iconic moments. He's never been given a chance to demonstrate his real power. No effort was made to create any audience investment for him. He's just a face with an infinity stone in it, and he met the expiration date that was always printed on the bottom of his foot.



Angelus said:
The real thing to take away from the way they handled Vision, is the same thing everyone with common sense has been taking away from the way they've handled Vision from the moment they first introduced him. He was brought into the MCU for the sole purpose of dying. He's never been given anything meaningful to do. He's never gotten any iconic moments. He's never been given a chance to demonstrate his real power. No effort was made to create any audience investment for him. He's just a face with an infinity stone in it, and he met the expiration date that was always printed on the bottom of his foot.

He went into Ultron and locked out his ethernet connection... or well he locked him from the net to keep him in Skor..kovia (?) and he also have his judgement on Ultron and killed the last one of him after reminding Ultron that he could be being naive as he was born yesterday (loved that line)

I think he is a character who will maybe shine a bit in part 2 if he is returned, he hasn't really had an enemy which he can solo have a battle with, maybe Thanos and him will fight to a more conclusive way and give vision a bit of screen time where he isn't just acting out a child God role. Remember the other films he was in he was battling basically his evil clone and in Civil war he was at the airport scene but what could he really do? vaporize the "rebels" with a single blink, would have been pretty anticlimactic and far darker a tone. Heck.... with a missed shot from him he wrecked War Machine pretty badly.



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Ganoncrotch said:
Angelus said:
The real thing to take away from the way they handled Vision, is the same thing everyone with common sense has been taking away from the way they've handled Vision from the moment they first introduced him. He was brought into the MCU for the sole purpose of dying. He's never been given anything meaningful to do. He's never gotten any iconic moments. He's never been given a chance to demonstrate his real power. No effort was made to create any audience investment for him. He's just a face with an infinity stone in it, and he met the expiration date that was always printed on the bottom of his foot.

He went into Ultron and locked out his ethernet connection... or well he locked him from the net to keep him in Skor..kovia (?) and he also have his judgement on Ultron and killed the last one of him after reminding Ultron that he could be being naive as he was born yesterday (loved that line)

I think he is a character who will maybe shine a bit in part 2 if he is returned, he hasn't really had an enemy which he can solo have a battle with, maybe Thanos and him will fight to a more conclusive way and give vision a bit of screen time where he isn't just acting out a child God role. Remember the other films he was in he was battling basically his evil clone and in Civil war he was at the airport scene but what could he really do? vaporize the "rebels" with a single blink, would have been pretty anticlimactic and far darker a tone. Heck.... with a missed shot from him he wrecked War Machine pretty badly.

Meh, locking Ultron out of the internet wasn't really any kind of character moment, it was simply a thing that needed to happen for the sake of the plot, and he was the device that made it happen. Mostly just by telling us he made it happen, as I recall. And killing the last bot....again, meh....we had just got done watching them fall by the hundreds. Letting him get the last one is really just throwing him a bone more than anything.

And he won't be back. They clearly either don't know what to do with him, or don't care to try. At best, they might bring him back in a Jarvis like capacity.



So... anyone here think that the Snap itself was kinda underwhelming?



mZuzek said:
Ganoncrotch said:

He went into Ultron and locked out his ethernet connection... or well he locked him from the net to keep him in Skor..kovia (?) and he also have his judgement on Ultron and killed the last one of him after reminding Ultron that he could be being naive as he was born yesterday (loved that line)

Agreed on this, he was pretty good in Age of Ultron, for as weird as saying that sounds. He was then underused dramatically in Civil War, and now he was just a bitch. I don't think he was ever meant to be much more as a character, but personally I think he was good enough.

But what could he have done in Civil war? dematerialize his fists and have them reemerge inside the rebels body's killing them instantly. I just mean it's sort of a Batman V Superman issue... one is a guy in a suit that his butler tends to... the other is a God who can Sneeze entire galaxies away by accident... how can you bring these two beings together and have a fair fight on screen which makes any sense. Vision just remained at the back of the civil war fight watching over the battle... was really all he could do outside of passing through ant man for comedy sake basically. He did use his power to make his body solid as diamonds to block a bus from flying at.... someone, think it was Widow maybe.

This is why I'm hoping to see him return Vs Thanos, because he could have a full on fight with him to try to get his Mind Stone back even if Vision is just a combination of Jarvis/Ultron and Vibranium  in part 2



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mZuzek said:
XanderXT said:
So... anyone here think that the Snap itself was kinda underwhelming?

It's weird, isn't it? I wonder how a snap works if you're wearing a metal gauntlet. Surely it shouldn't sound like a snap?

It would probably sound more like a scraping sound.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Metallox said:

So now we only need the other half to die and we'll return to happiness?! 

Yes. And then kill all of DC's characters. Perfect. Perrrfecct!

I see you, James Cameron!