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Should "Likes" display the list of users?

Yes! 51 63.75%
 
No! 29 36.25%
 
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CrazyGamer2017 said:
kljesta64 said:
dont display likes unless you want a civil war.

This logic only applies to dislikes.

But how is a like going to start a war on the forum???

If I like what you say and you know I do, what are you going to do? Attack me? Cause, how dare I like what you said?

well if for example i like a negative comment on the sony forums its basically a dislike.

make more sense ?



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kljesta64 said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

This logic only applies to dislikes.

But how is a like going to start a war on the forum???

If I like what you say and you know I do, what are you going to do? Attack me? Cause, how dare I like what you said?

well if for example i like a negative comment on the sony forums its basically a dislike.

make more sense ?

But any like that you do will be a dislike of someone else that holds an opposite opinion to the post you liked. By that logic then there should be no liking button at all.

Also like I said to someone else, how is that any different than you writing in a post your negative opinion of Sony? If you want to let us know you hate Sony you'll write it in a comment and now with the new system you can simply like someone else who wrote it. What is the difference? How is that a different problem?

If you have an opinion, don't you want people to know about it? And like I said to this other person if the transparent like button worries you then the solution is very simple: Don't use it



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CrazyGamer2017 said:

But any like that you do will be a dislike of someone else that holds an opposite opinion to the post you liked. By that logic then there should be no liking button at all.

Also like I said to someone else, how is that any different than you writing in a post your negative opinion of Sony? If you want to let us know you hate Sony you'll write it in a comment and now with the new system you can simply like someone else who wrote it. What is the difference? How is that a different problem?

if i see you like a negative comment about nintendo my brain will remember you for eternity :D so the next time war is imminent. now imagine 20 likes... lets face it people are people, if you know what i mean..

also a like is much easier than to write a full comment.

so i wonder if there should be a dislike button... it would make things much more fair.



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potato_hamster said:
JEMC said:

As for using what we've liked against us... what can I say, that says a lot more about the users that try to use it this way, people that should be avoided and that won't last long in the site, than about the rest of us. After all, if I like a post it is because I find it funny, because I agree with what it says or because it helped me in any way. There's nothing to be ashamed for that.

I agree it says a lot about the users that will try and use it this way. Unfortunately, based on my past experience with the userbase of this site, and with the direction it appears the mods want to take this site, I highly doubt that behavior will be discouraged or that the people that will employ such tactics will be moderated for it.

Sometimes I like posts I wholeheartedly disagree with because the argument is well reasoned and well supported. How does one draw that conclusion from seeing my name next to a post I liked?

If you're that affraid of what others will think, you can still like the post and then quote it and explain that, while you don't agree with his/her opinions, at least you understand why he/she thinks that way... and then share your own ideas, thus leading to more and better discussions.

As for people misbehaving and using the likes to attack someone. First you (or well, "we" as a whole) should be more proactive and report those wrong doers so mods can do their job. Sometimes mods don't do anything because they arrive late as no one has warned them about what was happening before. Give them the benefit of doubt there's always time to complain later.



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fatslob-:O said:

It's pretty different. The antagonistic posts you make could be moderated but users of the liked posts DON'T have to be moderated ... 

In a way, the like system itself can be used as a tool for proxy trolling/flaming and I don't think you understand the intentions behind the users liking the posts either (such as promoting rancid behaviour) so keeping the users who liked the popular/unpopular posts in anonymity protects them from potential harassment in the future ... 

A like system changes the social order along these boards but making it transparent makes it a far more powerful tool ostracizing other unpopular groups or users ... 

Posters like VGP will actually try to hunt me down by baiting me cause I hold an unpopular view (even though an expert evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins agrees with me) that he is outraged with but a transparent like system makes it far easier for other people to keep track of me for my other views about the subject that they don't agree with ... 

So in summary, people who want to be dicks should be protected by the system, because otherwise they could get called out for being dicks with evidence.

By the way, what exactly does Richard Dawkins agree with you on?



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Is it at all possible to display the names of who liked the post to only the author of the post but to everyone else it would be anonymous?



 

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PDF said:
Is it at all possible to display the names of who liked the post to only the author of the post but to everyone else it would be anonymous?

Yes - I've been considering this as a possibility...



Aeolus451 said:
Hiku said:

You're not explaining how I was supposedly wrong.
Allowing for more honesty does not mean it doesn't also allow for more dishonesty. The two are not mutually exclusive.

But I will tell you what you are wrong about, and why:

"the only reason why someone would want no anonymity online is so they can hunt down anyone who's offensive, has a dissenting opinion/guilty of wrong think, etc in order to punish them and dissuade others from being open about what they think. It's authoritarian and will always bite you in the ass."

If someone makes a post about how great Suikoden 2's story is, I'd love to know who feels the same way. There are many times when I've wanted to say that "I agree" with someone, but because I had nothing more to add, I didn't do it because I didn't want to spam up the page. But if there's a like button, I'll hit like.

 I already explained why you're wrong. I'm not trying to change your opinion but to show a side of this to others who might be on the fence on this. Anonymity allows for the highest degree of honesty. That's self-evident. People are multifaceted. They have a multitude of opinions and sides to themselves that they wouldn't show under normal circumstances. It's not dishonest in any way to express those opinions or side of oneself under a cloak of anonymity. It's a means of protection from mob mentality. People can still like a statement even if the post was intended to troll or to be mean.

So you want to know who likes a post about suikoden? Sure..... That's so benign that it must absolutely be true. I'm not buying that especially since you already said the opposite in the reasons why you think anonymity is bad. You know as well as I do that we talk about alot more than just innocent video games posts and that's what we're actually talking about in terms of liking posts.

I think (and I'm not putting words in Hiku's mouth here), the reason he was stating that you are wrong is because you used the keywords "the only reason" (I bolded it, just as he did), which is obviously incorrect.

YES, there are ABSOLUTELY some people that wouldn't want anonymity for the very reasons you've stated - BUT, that is absolutely NOT the only reason. There are definitely some people who just want to see who likes their post and what they wrote - not for some ulterior motive, but just to find and identify those that agree with their line of reasoning (whatever it is).

Anonymity allows for a high degree of honesty - it also allows for a high degree of dishonestly, as well. It really depends on the subject matter and the user's motives. There is no "only reason" to this question, which is exactly why I created this poll in the first place...



CrazyGamer2017 said:

But you say it yourself. VGP (whoever that is) can hunt you down by baiting you cause you hold an unpopular view. But correct me if I'm wrong but that unpopular view, you must have expressed it with a POST in which you have written said unpopular view right? So you are hunted down by that person for something you have written and I assume you don't mind since you have written that unpopular opinion somewhere. So again I don't see the difference between you being hunted down cause you WROTE an unpopular opinion compared to you being hunted down cause you like someone else's unpopular opinion.

If someone wants to hunt me down or bait me cause I love Einstein, I don't care that he/she hates me cause I WROTE a post where I say I love Einstein or cause I liked someone else's post saying he/she loves Einstein.

In this example you don't mind writing that you love Einstein and being hunted down for that but you mind "Liking" someone else's post that says they love Einstein and liking that post in your opinion will cause you more problems than you writing yourself a post where you put in full words that you love Einstein...

Ultimately the solution to this problem is rather simple. If you really feel that liking someone's post could bring trouble for you, don't like any posts and you'll be ok. Me personally I like Einstein and I also like Richard Dawkins, I love how he kicks religion's ass and I'm not afraid to say it or to LIKE the post of someone else that would say it. And if someone later on wants to try and hold against me the fact that I liked such a post, I'll simply double down and reply: Sure I loved that post you mentioned cause I do love Einstein and Dawkins, did you think I was going to recant just because you don't like me liking Einstein and Dawkins?

But that's just me. Like I said, feel free to never touch the "Like" button and you'll be ok.

@Bold Massive difference, it's not just about me being targeted. He'll probably put his cross hair on those WHO LIKED MY POST ... 

Your examples are way too innocent of the realities since posts such as "haha, you sux" can get liked but the victim knowing WHO specifically liked it will draw ill will from the victim and then god forbid when we have a console war with statements like "haha, PS4 sux" makes it far easier for the Playstation fanbase on here to associate who is or isn't a hostile poster ... 

Transparency doesn't promote honesty, in fact it does the opposite since it's a form of surveillance and when users are on surveillance they act differently ... (having a transparent like system is like knowing who voted for which candidate in an election and we don't do the latter for potential issues like intimidation or harassment)

And never touching the like button defeats the purpose of the system in the first place ... 

kirby007 said:

He has every post you made saved in a sheet for quick reference so he doesnt need the like system

Yes but it makes it a lot easier for him to keep track of those who liked my posts or other posts from other users which liked it ... 

For him or posters like him, it's becomes another useful tool for harassing other people ... 

RolStoppable said:

So in summary, people who want to be dicks should be protected by the system, because otherwise they could get called out for being dicks with evidence.

By the way, what exactly does Richard Dawkins agree with you on?

If being a dick meant carrying an unpopular opinion then sure whatever floats your boat. The other system isn't any better since it openly promotes being dicks too if the victim knew who the perpetrators were then there's a very high chance of tensions raising with future posts between victim and the proxies the but if everyone prefers a free for all then I won't object to the idea if their okay with making this community closer into a cesspool like youtube ... 

Yeah, I'm not a fan of troll/flame posts being liked but if I knew who the offenders were then it'd be very tempting to crap all over those who liked the post in question in the future and give foul disposition ... 

As for Richard Dawkins, If you really want to know then here it is ... 

Last edited by fatslob-:O - on 24 April 2018

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