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Pemalite said:
Snoopy said:

1. Oh please, why do you think there are rumors of Activision skipping on the campaign in the first place. They run the statistics and decided it becoming more pointless. COD campaigns are pretty short and they had 3 years. So I doubt they ran out of time.

They have skipped campaigns on CoD games before.

Being pointless is just your opinion.

Snoopy said:

 

2. Cool, all ten people can play the single-player mode in COD in 10 years.

Do you have evidence it is just 10's of people? Or were you to lazy to do the math when it is in-fact millions of people?

Snoopy said:

 

What keeps a game going for a long time is a solid multiplayer. Take a look at counter strike source.

Not always. I can provide plenty of Multiplayer centric games that have had their populations implode.
And I can provide plenty of examples where singleplayer games have stuck around. *Cough*Skyrim*Cough*
What keeps a game going for a long time is neither singleplayer or multiplayer... It's the game actually being good.


Snoopy said:

 

3. No, I'm just stating a fact that you criticize me for thinking there might be a pubg / battle royal mode which isn't far-fetched and heavily rumor.

We have already established that you have delved into logical fallacies, thus you have already lost the argument.
Arguing beyond that is thus pointless for you try.

I am more than happy to educate you on what a logical fallacy is... And why it means you have lost an argument if you wish for me to do so.

Snoopy said:

4. Yes please, you might learn something.

Don't assume I am ignorant.

Snoopy said:

5. This whole discussion started based on the question "is it worth it to add a single player". You judge worth by how much money you make PROFIT wise. Sure adding a single player might increase sells, but might not be enough to justify the high cost of adding a single player mode in the first place.

Worth isn't just direct monetary gain you know, I have already provided an example prior with the LPG/Petrol fuel scenario, I highly suggest you go back and re-read that prior in this thread.

 

1. Which major cod game did they ever skip a campaign for?

2. Obviously it is an exaggeration, but you get the point.

3. Did you not criticize me over a rumor?

4. I'll assume what I want :P

5. For a business, it's always about the money. Don't delude yourself into thinking these companies care about anything else.



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Snoopy said:

1. Which major cod game did they ever skip a campaign for?

Black Ops 3 on 7th Gen.

Snoopy said:

2. Obviously it is an exaggeration, but you get the point.

Hence why I played along.

Snoopy said:

3. Did you not criticize me over a rumor?

Which has what to do with your incorrect logical fallacies?

Snoopy said:

4. I'll assume what I want :P

Indeed. You are entitled to do so, even when your position is errant and/or fallacious, but I am also allowed to call you up on that.

Snoopy said:

5. For a business, it's always about the money. Don't delude yourself into thinking these companies care about anything else.

Depends on the type of business and the business model they thus employ.
However.
If you think that building a single player component into Call of Duty is suddenly going to blow costs out the wazoo, making the game unprofitable when some games in the series are shifting 30+ million copies, selling 20+ million copies of map packs, with a sprinkling of additional Microtransaction sales on top... Then to put bluntly. You are kidding yourself.

Really no excuses financially for removing a single player component, it's the Single Player that got Call of Duty recognized back in the day as it was that very component that allowed the franchise to be set apart from the competition.



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Pemalite said:
Snoopy said:

1. Which major cod game did they ever skip a campaign for?

Black Ops 3 on 7th Gen.

Snoopy said:

2. Obviously it is an exaggeration, but you get the point.

Hence why I played along.

Snoopy said:

3. Did you not criticize me over a rumor?

Which has what to do with your incorrect logical fallacies?

Snoopy said:

4. I'll assume what I want :P

Indeed. You are entitled to do so, even when your position is errant and/or fallacious, but I am also allowed to call you up on that.

Snoopy said:

5. For a business, it's always about the money. Don't delude yourself into thinking these companies care about anything else.

Depends on the type of business and the business model they thus employ.
However.
If you think that building a single player component into Call of Duty is suddenly going to blow costs out the wazoo, making the game unprofitable when some games in the series are shifting 30+ million copies, selling 20+ million copies of map packs, with a sprinkling of additional Microtransaction sales on top... Then to put bluntly. You are kidding yourself.

Really no excuses financially for removing a single player component, it's the Single Player that got Call of Duty recognized back in the day as it was that very component that allowed the franchise to be set apart from the competition.

 

1. Again, what major COD doesn't have a single player campaign.

2. Then why so serious?

3. You were being a hypocrite that's why.

4. You didn't call me out on anything with logic yet.

5. The goal of a company is maximizing their profits. You shouldn't do anything just to make people feel good unless it results in more money.



Snoopy said:

1. Again, what major COD doesn't have a single player campaign.

Er. Are you unable to read? I listed it.

Snoopy said:

2. Then why so serious?

Why do you make the assertion that I am serious?

Snoopy said:

3. You were being a hypocrite that's why.

And you are delving into logical fallacies (Do I need to educate you on what that is?), which means your argument is fallacious and thus false. Try again though.
And I highly suggest you point out where I am being a hypocrite rather than delving into Ad Hominem.

Snoopy said:

5. The goal of a company is maximizing their profits. You shouldn't do anything just to make people feel good unless it results in more money.

The Goal of most companies is maximizing profits. Not all companies are for-profit.
If you wish to play the logic game, you need to try and be accurate with your statements and assertions.



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Pemalite said:
Snoopy said:

1. Again, what major COD doesn't have a single player campaign.

Er. Are you unable to read? I listed it.

Snoopy said:

2. Then why so serious?

Why do you make the assertion that I am serious?

Snoopy said:

3. You were being a hypocrite that's why.

And you are delving into logical fallacies (Do I need to educate you on what that is?), which means your argument is fallacious and thus false. Try again though.
And I highly suggest you point out where I am being a hypocrite rather than delving into Ad Hominem.

Snoopy said:

5. The goal of a company is maximizing their profits. You shouldn't do anything just to make people feel good unless it results in more money.

The Goal of most companies is maximizing profits. Not all companies are for-profit.
If you wish to play the logic game, you need to try and be accurate with your statements and assertions.

 

1. COD black ops 3 on ps3 and 360 isn't a major or huge cod. The one on Xbox one, ps4 is, however.  So try again.

 

2. The fact you're taking this so seriously, that's why.

 

3. I did 3 replies ago. Please re-read again.

 

5. A non profit company still has to maximize profits before spending it all. So they can improve on things. For example, st. jude still has to maximize a lot profit (money they bring in minus cost of operation) to treat kids with cancer. The excess money needs to then be used to treat kids at a later date or in an emergency. Non profit just means the higher ups can't keep the money for themselves. Although, there are cases where they do which is wrong and illegal.

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Snoopy said:

1. COD black ops 3 on ps3 and 360 isn't a major or huge cod. The one on Xbox one, ps4 is, however.  So try again.

Looks like I am going to have to educate you on logical fallacies... Because you just did it again.
Aka. The Goal Post shifting informal logical fallacy.

It is where you demand evidence for a claim, which is then met... But is then dismissed and some other evidence is demanded.

Fact of the matter is... Call of Duty Black Ops 3 on the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 was the last, major Call of Duty on those Consoles and never had a single player component, which means you were wrong. Again.

Snoopy said:

2. The fact you're taking this so seriously, that's why.

This is another Logical fallacy.
Aka. The Argument by assertion.
It is where you try and argue that something is true without any evidence.


Snoopy said:

3. I did 3 replies ago. Please re-read again.

Provide the quotes where I was being hypocritical. Boy I am enjoying this.


Snoopy said:

5. A non profit company still has to maximize profits before spending it all. So they can improve on things.

Not always.

Another example is companies will post consecutive loss after loss, sometimes for many many many years. - But will still garner increasing levels of investment to keep on operating. I could name a ton of tech companies that fall under such a thing, want me to educate you on that?




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Pemalite said:
Snoopy said:

1. COD black ops 3 on ps3 and 360 isn't a major or huge cod. The one on Xbox one, ps4 is, however.  So try again.

Looks like I am going to have to educate you on logical fallacies... Because you just did it again.
Aka. The Goal Post shifting informal logical fallacy.

It is where you demand evidence for a claim, which is then met... But is then dismissed and some other evidence is demanded.

Fact of the matter is... Call of Duty Black Ops 3 on the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 was the last, major Call of Duty on those Consoles and never had a single player component, which means you were wrong. Again.

Snoopy said:

2. The fact you're taking this so seriously, that's why.

This is another Logical fallacy.
Aka. The Argument by assertion.
It is where you try and argue that something is true without any evidence.


Snoopy said:

3. I did 3 replies ago. Please re-read again.

Provide the quotes where I was being hypocritical. Boy I am enjoying this.


Snoopy said:

5. A non profit company still has to maximize profits before spending it all. So they can improve on things.

Not always.

Another example is companies will post consecutive loss after loss, sometimes for many many many years. - But will still garner increasing levels of investment to keep on operating. I could name a ton of tech companies that fall under such a thing, want me to educate you on that?


1. Please, Treyarch took a shit on the ps3 and 360 version of the game. It's like saying cod on gameboy is the same as cod on pc and just as big as it.

2. Look at your previous replies. You were upset I called you a hypocrite because of your argument.

3. You criticize me for assuming battle royal mode will be in the next cod. However, the argument you're making is this game won't have a single player base on an assumption.

5. Amazon and Twitter does this, but they are looking for long-term profits. It's not like they don't care about profits, they are just setting their infrastructure for long-term profit.



Snoopy said:

1. Please, Treyarch took a shit on the ps3 and 360 version of the game. It's like saying cod on gameboy is the same as cod on pc and just as big as it.

It's a mainline release. You can whinge all you want. Facts are facts. You were wrong, but you just refuse to admit it.

Snoopy said:

 

2. Look at your previous replies. You were upset I called you a hypocrite because of your argument.

Upset? Hardly. I don't think you know me that well, but I don't tend to get emotionally attached to anyone or anyones replies on this forum, I have more important things to do in my daily life.

I think you are just trying to make something out of nothing by resorting to logical fallacies.

Snoopy said:

 

3. You criticize me for assuming battle royal mode will be in the next cod. However, the argument you're making is this game won't have a single player base on an assumption.

Quotes please.

Snoopy said:

 

5. Amazon and Twitter does this, but they are looking for long-term profits. It's not like they don't care about profits, they are just setting their infrastructure for long-term profit.

Great. So you agree with me, so you can stop arguing.



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Well, with the reveal less than a month away - this might be true. I'm certain that COD YouTubers like Ali-A and Drift0r have access to this game already - like usual. So it would be logical if legitimate impressions started surfacing on the internet.
The question is how accurate or apt the comparison to Overwatch is, because I HIGHLY doubt there will be an emphasis on teamwork in Black Ops 4 like there is in Overwatch. Overwatch themed "abilities" or "killstreaks" I can see, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the game will play like Overwatch - because Activision will lose it's entire fanbase over night if it does. Spoiler: COD players HATE teamwork.