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The_Liquid_Laser on 22 April 2018
DonFerrari said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

My claim was that they cost the same at launch.  Your claim is that PC games costs $40 and console $60 at launch.  I'm still waiting for a current example.

And we were both wrong. I got the 40-60 from vgc itself claimed several times and was wrong, you claimed they cost the same and pemalite and the other PC gamer showed that you were wrong on same price.

Actually I am still waiting for someone to show me one example from the past 30 days.  I somewhat expect there to be an example out there, since I'm not saying they are the same price 100% of the time.  I just find it funny that people are willing to argue so much while providing zero authentic evidence.



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hudsoniscool on 22 April 2018
flashfire926 said:
I would be hard-pressed to say I disagree.
-Backwards compatibility across two gens (500 games and counting)
-Xbox Game Pass ($10 a month for a good library of 150+ games)
-Returns on digital purchases
-free cloud saves
-better controller layout and build quality
-4k blu-ray
-whisper quiet in operation
-a much better executed mid-gen upgrade
-more reliable online network

But all this pales in comparison when you dont have exclusives.

I’ll take those features any day. Would I love to play uncharted 4, horizon, last of us, and god of war. Of course I would but even if I did own a ps4 90% of my purchases would be muliplat games still so the question that I ask myself is. Do I want all those features + the best looking and playing version of muliplats or do I want to have those extra 10% of games. For me the choice is Xbox. I think people should respect that as I respect other people’s right to choose first party over all that. 

 

Ps my favorite game series of all time is halo so that helps sway me towards Xbox from the get go.



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flashfire926 on 22 April 2018
hudsoniscool said:
flashfire926 said:
I would be hard-pressed to say I disagree.
-Backwards compatibility across two gens (500 games and counting)
-Xbox Game Pass ($10 a month for a good library of 150+ games)
-Returns on digital purchases
-free cloud saves
-better controller layout and build quality
-4k blu-ray
-whisper quiet in operation
-a much better executed mid-gen upgrade
-more reliable online network

But all this pales in comparison when you dont have exclusives.

I’ll take those features any day. Would I love to play uncharted 4, horizon, last of us, and god of war. Of course I would but even if I did own a ps4 90% of my purchases would be muliplat games still so the question that I ask myself is. Do I want all those features + the best looking and playing version of muliplats or do I want to have those extra 10% of games. For me the choice is Xbox. I think people should respect that as I respect other people’s right to choose first party over all that. 

 

Ps my favorite game series of all time is halo so that helps sway me towards Xbox from the get go.

Between me and you, my first choice is Xbox too. Mainly because of the Forza Series. and being able to carry over most of my 360 library (to the point where my 360 is almost useless now). Game Pass is just a great added bonus.

As for the last statement I made, I was talking about about the general consensus and not myself.



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DialgaMarine on 22 April 2018
reviniente said:
DialgaMarine said:

 How so? It’s a known fact that a console’s quality is based primarily off of it’s exclusive software, so without exclusives, the console’s quality is greatly reduced. To say a console is the best if you ignore a lack of exclusives is no different than saying some restaurant’s hamburger is the best if you ignore it’s lack of a beef patty. It makes no sense to say that. A console without exclusives is nothing more than an underpowered PC with even less features. That’s not fanboy agenda, that’s just logic. 

If the Xbox One had no exclusives, you would have a point. But alas, it does. Then you have all those PS4 players that chose GTAV over many exclusives. What are the odds RDR2 will outsell GoW on PS4? Guess they would rather have the hot-dog over the hamburger, instead. Your logic needs work.

 Does it? Last AAA exclusive for it came out in late 2015. Your logic is poor because you’re assuming it’s a black and white scenario where exclusive titles are only successful if either everyone buys them, or if they sell better than popular multiplats. You’re ignoring the reason why PS4 has been so successful is because it offers a much wider variety of games that appeal to a multitude of people. Different people have different tastes, and therefor buy different games. Unlike MS, Sony doesn’t shove people into a small number of groups and tell them what they’re going to enjoy while gaming. 



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kirby007 on 22 April 2018
DialgaMarine said:
reviniente said:

If the Xbox One had no exclusives, you would have a point. But alas, it does. Then you have all those PS4 players that chose GTAV over many exclusives. What are the odds RDR2 will outsell GoW on PS4? Guess they would rather have the hot-dog over the hamburger, instead. Your logic needs work.

 Does it? Last AAA exclusive for it came out in late 2015. Your logic is poor because you’re assuming it’s a black and white scenario where exclusive titles are only successful if either everyone buys them, or if they sell better than popular multiplats. You’re ignoring the reason why PS4 has been so successful is because it offers a much wider variety of games that appeal to a multitude of people. Different people have different tastes, and therefor buy different games. Unlike MS, Sony doesn’t shove people into a small number of groups and tell them what they’re going to enjoy while gaming. 

Wait because it missed out on a handfull of exclusives, its small choice what kind of horrible logic is that?



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DialgaMarine on 22 April 2018
kirby007 said:
DialgaMarine said:

 Does it? Last AAA exclusive for it came out in late 2015. Your logic is poor because you’re assuming it’s a black and white scenario where exclusive titles are only successful if either everyone buys them, or if they sell better than popular multiplats. You’re ignoring the reason why PS4 has been so successful is because it offers a much wider variety of games that appeal to a multitude of people. Different people have different tastes, and therefor buy different games. Unlike MS, Sony doesn’t shove people into a small number of groups and tell them what they’re going to enjoy while gaming. 

Wait because it missed out on a handfull of exclusives, its small choice what kind of horrible logic is that?

 And my comment completely flew over your head. 



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Pemalite on 22 April 2018
last92 said:

Things are changing rapidly, though. I noticed a great effort by Sony and MS in the last few years when it comes to sales on their digital stores. Plus, PS plus and GwG are overall incredibly good value for money.

Microsoft and Sony are only discounting a minimal amount of games though.
Steam discounts literally thousands of titles at any one time, that is the big difference here.

Sony and Microsoft have certainly made some bold improvements and good for them, but they still don't hold a candle to Steam.

last92 said:

Also, there are many ways to pay less than the full price for a game at launch on consoles.

I never claimed anything to the contrary.

last92 said:

Most retail stores will offer a discount if you preorder it, and you can also trade in old games (that's how it works in my country at least), so...I personally think pc and consoles are not so far as far as game pricing is concerned. They're just different. Of course, pc is still more convenient because it's all digital, whereas you need to do a little effort to grab the best deal on console by checking several retail stores.

You can get pre-order discounts and bonuses at retail stores as well for PC games, although physical PC sales is certainly a minority in this day and age.

PC has always had the advantage of lower software prices, but higher initial hardware prices.

LudicrousSpeed said:

But if you’re talking about sales or specials you can always find those for consoles as well.

Sometimes, but not always. I am a PC gamer with a massive library. And I do have a stupidly massive console game collection, so I am well versed on the costings of the media.

There is literally always a sale on somewhere for PC games, the same doesn't always hold true for Console though, especially on new release/pre-orders.

LudicrousSpeed said:

He said they’re $40 and $60 though, factually, meaning MSRP. That’s incorrect. Hell, I can get any game new day one for $48 at Best Buy, doesn’t change that the game released at $60.

Well. Best Buy doesn't exist here... And he doesn't live in the USA either thus currency may be different.



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Nem on 22 April 2018
reviniente said:
Nem said:
Ridiculous logic. Who buys a system to play last gen games on 4 years in?

I agree with the classic ones, but coming with a by the numbers comparison that includes last gen games backwards compatibility to say you have more to play than the competition, is farfetched at best. Yes, if you want to play the same games again, and ignore all the amazing exclusives the competition has, you "got more to play"! Enjoy!

Pathetic...

 

Who indeed?

 

Impossible to facepalm any harder. That's a remake of a game that is 2 gens behind. Read the post, i don't very much enjoy wasting time. " I agree with the classic ones, but coming with a by the numbers comparison that includes last gen games "

Manlytears on 23 April 2018
flashfire926 said:
I would be hard-pressed to say I disagree.
-Backwards compatibility across two gens (500 games and counting)
-Xbox Game Pass ($10 a month for a good library of 150+ games)
-Returns on digital purchases
-free cloud saves
-better controller layout and build quality
-4k blu-ray
-whisper quiet in operation
-a much better executed mid-gen upgrade
-more reliable online network

But all this pales in comparison when you dont have exclusives.

1 - are you talking about refunds? Cause you can do this on playstation easy, just make a call.

2 - alson can do this on playstation, whit psplus.

3 - talking about pro-controller? If yes, than i have to agree, that thing is expensive, but sure is another level, but... about the normal controller, it's a metter of opinion, but i find the DS4 miles better than the x1 standard controller...

4 - for real... do you have a ps4? Mine is quiet, just can't hear any sound while i'm playing.

5- $100 more expensive...

6- do you have some data? Something from the last 2 years? I see lots of people saying live is better, but is see no data.



flashfire926 on 23 April 2018
Manlytears said:
flashfire926 said:
I would be hard-pressed to say I disagree.
-Backwards compatibility across two gens (500 games and counting)
-Xbox Game Pass ($10 a month for a good library of 150+ games)
-Returns on digital purchases
-free cloud saves
-better controller layout and build quality
-4k blu-ray
-whisper quiet in operation
-a much better executed mid-gen upgrade
-more reliable online network

But all this pales in comparison when you dont have exclusives.

1 - are you talking about refunds? Cause you can do this on playstation easy, just make a call.

2 - alson can do this on playstation, whit psplus.

3 - talking about pro-controller? If yes, than i have to agree, that thing is expensive, but sure is another level, but... about the normal controller, it's a metter of opinion, but i find the DS4 miles better than the x1 standard controller...

4 - for real... do you have a ps4? Mine is quiet, just can't hear any sound while i'm playing.

5- $100 more expensive...

6- do you have some data? Something from the last 2 years? I see lots of people saying live is better, but is see no data.

1: Really? Can you link me to their policy please.

2: yeah, but on Xbox you don't have to pay for live to get cloud saves. Hence why I said "free".

3: okay fine, this one is more a matter of opinion, I'll give you that (although it's undeniable that analog stick placement on Xbox is better for everything that isn't a fighter or 2d platformer)

4: ps4 fans vary a lot, whereas Xbox is way more consistent. My friend has a jet engine variant

5: so what if it's a 100 bucks more? It's a high end console for enthusiasts. This isn't the base variant. 

6: live is down way less often than ps2 is. I'll get back to you once I've gathered the evidence.



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