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fatslob-:O said:

That doesn't change the fact that the Switch is still a portable system ... 

FWIW, it's not functionality that defines whether the system is portable or not. It's specifically the form factor and that is an absolutely relevant metric of hardware design but you pointing out that there's nothing in terms of functionality separating the two design philosophy makes your argument weaker ... 

Thus our conclusion about the two designs is that the only differentiating aspect between the two is how compact their physical design is so by technical merit while the Switch may have equivalent functionality of a home system it's still a portable system by physical design ... (another thing is that the vast majority of "traditional" home consoles aren't operated by built-in/integrated/internally contained batteries like the Switch thus makes it an even stronger proposition that it is a portable system)

You're argument becomes even more flawed when we make a comparison between phones and stationary personal computers ... 

It boils down to this, you only want to blur the lines between what is a portable or a home system so that you can prop up your comparisons with the Switch against other platforms ... 

Switch isn't operated by its battery when it is in the dock, because it needs more juice when it is docked. That's why it draws the power it needs from a socket.

Your conclusion is pretty weird when you are the guy who wants to reduce Switch to a handheld in order to have a better talking point. It's also weird to suggest that portability prevents Switch from providing the exact same things that Nintendo home consoles have provided in the past; Switch's portability is not detrimental, rather it's an additional feature on top of what is expected to be there. It makes absolutely no sense to say that Nintendo has exited the home console market when the majority of Switch owners plays the console when it's connected to their TV.

Maybe you want to explain why anyone should be concerned about Switch's sales performance.



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fatslob-:O said:
RolStoppable said:

Nintendo has made an exit from the home console market? How do you come to that conclusion?

Despite your continued denial that Nintendo's new system isn't a home system, you're comparing the Switch to the WII U to simply dodge the fact that Nintendo aren't offering new systems anymore with a non-portable form factor ... 

Considering Switch performs BETTER as a home console, it's a home console. Portability is just an added feature



RolStoppable said:

Switch isn't operated by its battery when it is in the dock, because it needs more juice when it is docked. That's why it draws the power it needs from a socket.

Your conclusion is pretty weird when you are the guy who wants to reduce Switch to a handheld in order to have a better talking point. It's also weird to suggest that portability prevents Switch from providing the exact same things that Nintendo home consoles have provided in the past; Switch's portability is not detrimental, rather it's an additional feature on top of what is expected to be there. It makes absolutely no sense to say that Nintendo has exited the home console market when the majority of Switch owners plays the console when it's connected to their TV.

Maybe you want to explain why anyone should be concerned about Switch's sales performance.

@Bold Just like most other portable systems when they are getting charged from the socket ... (doesn't mean that the Switch CAN'T be operated by a battery like you imply)

See how easy it is to debunk your argument ? You only want to dismiss the classification of physical design when it's convenient in your case to make these comparisons ... 

I didn't suggest that there was anything that prevented the Switch from offering the same things their previous home consoles provided. My case is that Nintendo is simply NOT offering a home system on a technical basis and you keep feigning a charade about this fact ... 

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fatslob-:O said:

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My case is that Nintendo is simply NOT offering a portable system on a technical basis and you keep feigning a charade about this fact ... 

I guess this is what happens when you have to constantly make things up on the fly.



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RolStoppable said:

I guess this is what happens when you have to constantly make things up on the fly.

I got confused for a moment there but that doesn't change my point that portable and home system designs are two fundamentally different designs ... 



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fatslob-:O said:
RolStoppable said:

I guess this is what happens when you have to constantly make things up on the fly.

I got confused for a moment there but that doesn't change my point that portable and home system designs a two fundamentally different designs ... 

Even if everyone accepted that you are correct on a technical level, you'd still be incorrect on the practical level, so your point is ultimately moot. You may claim that Nintendo has exited the home console market for this or that reason, but gamers use Switch like a home console and pay software prices that are equal to what's typical for home consoles.

What you have to convincingly argue is that Nintendo has exited the home console market, because that's the original claim you have been challenged on. You have shifted towards semantics in order to get a win, but all you can win with your current line of argumentation doesn't help you one bit on the original point of contention, because you've strayed off too far and on a practical level Switch is treated like a home console, so the assertion that Nintendo has exited the home console market is laughable. I don't need to write a rebuttal for your technical posts, because the outcome of that argument won't change anything about the main point. I can cede that point to you without a fight because it's not worth the time when it doesn't change anything.

The bigger questions that remain are, for one, your accusations that I disagree because I want to make more favorable comparisons; what are those comparisons? And two, you didn't address why anyone should be concerned about Switch's sales performance.



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Real talk, the reason why Nintendo claims the Switch is a home console is because for years they desperately wanted to enter the console market in the US again which had been their bread and butter since the NES days. Nintendo was going to make a console all along, the Switch replacing the 3DS at the same time is just an added bonus.



   
   
RolStoppable said:

Even if everyone accepted that you are correct on a technical level, you'd still be incorrect on the practical level, so your point is ultimately moot. You may claim that Nintendo has exited the home console market for this or that reason, but gamers use Switch like a home console and pay software prices that are equal to what's typical for home consoles.

What you have to convincingly argue is that Nintendo has exited the home console market, because that's the original claim you have been challenged on. You have shifted towards semantics in order to get a win, but all you can win with your current line of argumentation doesn't help you one bit on the original point of contention, because you've strayed off too far and on a practical level Switch is treated like a home console, so the assertion that Nintendo has exited the home console market is laughable. I don't need to write a rebuttal for your technical posts, because the outcome of that argument won't change anything about the main point. I can cede that point to you without a fight because it's not worth the time when it doesn't change anything.

The bigger questions that remain are, for one, your accusations that I disagree because I want to make more favorable comparisons; what are those comparisons? And two, you didn't address why anyone should be concerned about Switch's sales performance.

There's no way to prove your hypothesis that the Switch would be treated the same way on a practical basis as if it was designed as a stationary unit either simply because there's no way to test out your conjecture when it's just another hypothetical scenario ... 

You can't authenticate that the Switch's portability is just a secondary selling point to it's functionality ... (unless you had a way to look into an alternate reality) 

Nintendo withdrew from the home console market the moment they solely didn't want to compete on the virtue of having a system without a portable form factor hence why they did not intended the Switch to be ONLY a home system. If Switch was going to be THAT compelling as a home system then why did they not make it wholly as such ? You fail to ask yourself this very basic question that does have a clear dividing line which is why you continually ignore the obvious to suit your arguments and BTW, there's more Switch owners who primarily prefer to use the system in a portable fashion so the Switch being usable as a "home" system doesn't help your argument one bit when there's more customers who don't want to do such ... 

The short of it is you can't say that the Switch is primarily sold as a home console when there's more customers who bought it and intended to use it as solely a portable system rather solely as a home system thus putting your argument that the Switch is a home system on a practical basis in the trash bin ... 

Even if there were some users who use it as primarily as a home system there's no way for you to quantitatively devalue the selling point Switch's form factor either if they make use either a few times or even just once ... 

As for Switch's sales performance, it's doing pretty mediocre in comparison to the 3DS but I know you'll bring up the price excuse again when that's clearly Nintendo's job to show it's customers the value proposition so no reason to tread on the same path once more ... 



Switch selling incredibly well for a home console in Japan. Revitalizing the market it seems.



fatslob-:O said:

There's no way to prove your hypothesis that the Switch would be treated the same way on a practical basis as if it was designed as a stationary unit either simply because there's no way to test out your conjecture when it's just another hypothetical scenario ... 

You can't authenticate that the Switch's portability is just a secondary selling point to it's functionality ... (unless you had a way to look into an alternate reality) 

Nintendo withdrew from the home console market the moment they solely didn't want to compete on the virtue of having a system without a portable form factor hence why they did not intended the Switch to be ONLY a home system. If Switch was going to be THAT compelling as a home system then why did they not make it wholly as such ? You fail to ask yourself this very basic question that does have a clear dividing line which is why you continually ignore the obvious to suit your arguments and BTW, there's more Switch owners who primarily prefer to use the system in a portable fashion so the Switch being usable as a "home" system doesn't help your argument one bit when there's more customers who don't want to do such ... 

The short of it is you can't say that the Switch is primarily sold as a home console when there's more customers who bought it and intended to use it as solely a portable system rather solely as a home system thus putting your argument that the Switch is a home system on a practical basis in the trash bin ... 

Even if there were some users who use it as primarily as a home system there's no way for you to quantitatively devalue the selling point Switch's form factor either if they make use either a few times or even just once ... 

As for Switch's sales performance, it's doing pretty mediocre in comparison to the 3DS but I know you'll bring up the price excuse again when that's clearly Nintendo's job to show it's customers the value proposition so no reason to tread on the same path once more ... 

I'll sum up our positions:

You say that Nintendo has exited the home console market.

I say that Switch functions as both a home console and a handheld console, therefore Nintendo has not exited the home console market.

Therefore almost the entirety of your post is irrelevant because you argue with a straw man. The link you provided backs up my side of the argument because 70% of Switch owners are shown to use the console in its home console mode to a significant degree; 70% is the majority of people. If you point out that 80% of Switch owners use the handheld mode to a significant degree, then that doesn't contradict my position because Switch being a hybrid system is what I've been saying all along. You are the one who claims that Switch is solely a handheld; that's the prerequisite you need to conclude that Nintendo has exited the home console market.

The only reason why I bother with your faulty arguments is that Nintendo's fiscal report is coming next week. It's fun to see someone make claims about a concerning sales performance when irrefutable evidence to the contrary is right around the corner. You talk about a "price excuse", but it's undeniable that Switch does not have the price of a typical Nintendo handheld. Still, that doesn't stop you from treating Switch as such. It's pretty amazing that you fall into the same trap again and again. I can say with confidence that Nintendo isn't bothered by Switch sales in Japan trailing behind the 3DS. For one, Switch sales on their own are still very good despite trailing the 3DS, and two, Switch curbstomps the 3DS when it comes to profits.



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