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Forums - Sales Discussion - Japan sales (Week 15): Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - April 9 - 15, 2018

RolStoppable said:

I guess this is what happens when you have to constantly make things up on the fly.

I got confused for a moment there but that doesn't change my point that portable and home system designs are two fundamentally different designs ... 



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RolStoppable said:

Even if everyone accepted that you are correct on a technical level, you'd still be incorrect on the practical level, so your point is ultimately moot. You may claim that Nintendo has exited the home console market for this or that reason, but gamers use Switch like a home console and pay software prices that are equal to what's typical for home consoles.

What you have to convincingly argue is that Nintendo has exited the home console market, because that's the original claim you have been challenged on. You have shifted towards semantics in order to get a win, but all you can win with your current line of argumentation doesn't help you one bit on the original point of contention, because you've strayed off too far and on a practical level Switch is treated like a home console, so the assertion that Nintendo has exited the home console market is laughable. I don't need to write a rebuttal for your technical posts, because the outcome of that argument won't change anything about the main point. I can cede that point to you without a fight because it's not worth the time when it doesn't change anything.

The bigger questions that remain are, for one, your accusations that I disagree because I want to make more favorable comparisons; what are those comparisons? And two, you didn't address why anyone should be concerned about Switch's sales performance.

There's no way to prove your hypothesis that the Switch would be treated the same way on a practical basis as if it was designed as a stationary unit either simply because there's no way to test out your conjecture when it's just another hypothetical scenario ... 

You can't authenticate that the Switch's portability is just a secondary selling point to it's functionality ... (unless you had a way to look into an alternate reality) 

Nintendo withdrew from the home console market the moment they solely didn't want to compete on the virtue of having a system without a portable form factor hence why they did not intended the Switch to be ONLY a home system. If Switch was going to be THAT compelling as a home system then why did they not make it wholly as such ? You fail to ask yourself this very basic question that does have a clear dividing line which is why you continually ignore the obvious to suit your arguments and BTW, there's more Switch owners who primarily prefer to use the system in a portable fashion so the Switch being usable as a "home" system doesn't help your argument one bit when there's more customers who don't want to do such ... 

The short of it is you can't say that the Switch is primarily sold as a home console when there's more customers who bought it and intended to use it as solely a portable system rather solely as a home system thus putting your argument that the Switch is a home system on a practical basis in the trash bin ... 

Even if there were some users who use it as primarily as a home system there's no way for you to quantitatively devalue the selling point Switch's form factor either if they make use either a few times or even just once ... 

As for Switch's sales performance, it's doing pretty mediocre in comparison to the 3DS but I know you'll bring up the price excuse again when that's clearly Nintendo's job to show it's customers the value proposition so no reason to tread on the same path once more ... 



Switch selling incredibly well for a home console in Japan. Revitalizing the market it seems.



Faelco said:
Shadow1980 said:

So it's a stock issue?

You can read my previous posts. I tried to buy a PS4 2 weeks ago in Tokyo, and I only found one last pre-order available for the PS4 Pro GoW. In the 3 big stores I went to (Bic Camera, Yodobashi, Donki), it was sold out (and I mean all SKUs sold out). I only found mine at Bic Camera, I wasn't sure about buying the limited edition but didn't have any other option. 

 

They could lower the price if they want to, but if you can't find one in stores it's pretty useless, isn't it? 

 

They dropped the price for PSVR though, and you can find it pretty easily.

Well it does seem like there are PS4 stock problems, but the regular PS4 seems to have more issues, at least based on my anecdotal findings.

I checked out 2 GEO stores near me and both of them had stock of the PS4 Pro as well the PS4 Pro GOW model. Both were out of regular PS4s although one had used regular PS4s (both also had used PS4 Pros.) I didn't try very hard to find them as I just went to the two closest stores near me. I don't remember if there are any GEOs in Tokyo as I haven't lived there in a long time, but it's basically like Tsutaya and there are a lot where I live. 




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PS4 is finally selling the closest to RRP on Amazon Japan that I've seen for quite a while. The drought seems to finally be easing.
Might be interesting Mediacreate results next week.



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RolStoppable said:

I'll sum up our positions:

You say that Nintendo has exited the home console market.

I say that Switch functions as both a home console and a handheld console, therefore Nintendo has not exited the home console market.

Therefore almost the entirety of your post is irrelevant because you argue with a straw man. The link you provided backs up my side of the argument because 70% of Switch owners are shown to use the console in its home console mode to a significant degree; 70% is the majority of people. If you point out that 80% of Switch owners use the handheld mode to a significant degree, then that doesn't contradict my position because Switch being a hybrid system is what I've been saying all along. You are the one who claims that Switch is solely a handheld; that's the prerequisite you need to conclude that Nintendo has exited the home console market.

The only reason why I bother with your faulty arguments is that Nintendo's fiscal report is coming next week. It's fun to see someone make claims about a concerning sales performance when irrefutable evidence to the contrary is right around the corner. You talk about a "price excuse", but it's undeniable that Switch does not have the price of a typical Nintendo handheld. Still, that doesn't stop you from treating Switch as such. It's pretty amazing that you fall into the same trap again and again. I can say with confidence that Nintendo isn't bothered by Switch sales in Japan trailing behind the 3DS. For one, Switch sales on their own are still very good despite trailing the 3DS, and two, Switch curbstomps the 3DS when it comes to profits.

How it functions matters not, it's all about the design. You say "hybrid" but there can be no such thing when portable and home systems are mutually exclusive by principle. A portable device can act as a home device but the same cannot be said the other way when the latter cannot be ergonomically carried around therefore the Switch is a portable system but you're clearly in denial about this since you refuse to face the simple facts at hand. Home systems DO NOT have integrated displays (touch screen) or can be operated with internal batteries like Switch ... (these aspects just make my argument stronger in favour that Switch should be classified as a portable system and precedent also backs me up in this regard) 

By the principle of mutual exclusion, I have logically proved that Nintendo is NOT offering a home console. Now we can get your confusion out of the way that the Switch is a home console ... 

Very good you say ? In case you didn't know, the Switch is trailing behind the WII launch aligned too. Did you lower your standards, rol ? LOL



alejollorente10 said:

It seems that the PS4 pro and the Xbox One X have stock problems in Japan xD

Probably the sales of Switch remain stable until the arrival of Smash.

The X was indeed out of stock, until today (04.22).



fatslob-:O said:
RolStoppable said:

I'll sum up our positions:

You say that Nintendo has exited the home console market.

I say that Switch functions as both a home console and a handheld console, therefore Nintendo has not exited the home console market.

Therefore almost the entirety of your post is irrelevant because you argue with a straw man. The link you provided backs up my side of the argument because 70% of Switch owners are shown to use the console in its home console mode to a significant degree; 70% is the majority of people. If you point out that 80% of Switch owners use the handheld mode to a significant degree, then that doesn't contradict my position because Switch being a hybrid system is what I've been saying all along. You are the one who claims that Switch is solely a handheld; that's the prerequisite you need to conclude that Nintendo has exited the home console market.

The only reason why I bother with your faulty arguments is that Nintendo's fiscal report is coming next week. It's fun to see someone make claims about a concerning sales performance when irrefutable evidence to the contrary is right around the corner. You talk about a "price excuse", but it's undeniable that Switch does not have the price of a typical Nintendo handheld. Still, that doesn't stop you from treating Switch as such. It's pretty amazing that you fall into the same trap again and again. I can say with confidence that Nintendo isn't bothered by Switch sales in Japan trailing behind the 3DS. For one, Switch sales on their own are still very good despite trailing the 3DS, and two, Switch curbstomps the 3DS when it comes to profits.

How it functions matters not, it's all about the design. You say "hybrid" but there can be no such thing when portable and home systems are mutually exclusive by principle. A portable device can act as a home device but the same cannot be said the other way when the latter cannot be ergonomically carried around therefore the Switch is a portable system but you're clearly in denial about this since you refuse to face the simple facts at hand. Home systems DO NOT have integrated displays (touch screen) or can be operated with internal batteries like Switch ... (these aspects just make my argument stronger in favour that Switch should be classified as a portable system and precedent also backs me up in this regard) 

By the principle of mutual exclusion, I have logically proved that Nintendo is NOT offering a home console. Now we can get your confusion out of the way that the Switch is a home console ... 

Very good you say ? In case you didn't know, the Switch is trailing behind the WII launch aligned too. Did you lower your standards, rol ? LOL

Erm.....'handheld' is not exactly the same as 'portable', we have seen a portable PS4 on another thread. LOL.



fatslob-:O said:
RolStoppable said:

I'll sum up our positions:

You say that Nintendo has exited the home console market.

I say that Switch functions as both a home console and a handheld console, therefore Nintendo has not exited the home console market.

Therefore almost the entirety of your post is irrelevant because you argue with a straw man. The link you provided backs up my side of the argument because 70% of Switch owners are shown to use the console in its home console mode to a significant degree; 70% is the majority of people. If you point out that 80% of Switch owners use the handheld mode to a significant degree, then that doesn't contradict my position because Switch being a hybrid system is what I've been saying all along. You are the one who claims that Switch is solely a handheld; that's the prerequisite you need to conclude that Nintendo has exited the home console market.

The only reason why I bother with your faulty arguments is that Nintendo's fiscal report is coming next week. It's fun to see someone make claims about a concerning sales performance when irrefutable evidence to the contrary is right around the corner. You talk about a "price excuse", but it's undeniable that Switch does not have the price of a typical Nintendo handheld. Still, that doesn't stop you from treating Switch as such. It's pretty amazing that you fall into the same trap again and again. I can say with confidence that Nintendo isn't bothered by Switch sales in Japan trailing behind the 3DS. For one, Switch sales on their own are still very good despite trailing the 3DS, and two, Switch curbstomps the 3DS when it comes to profits.

How it functions matters not, it's all about the design. You say "hybrid" but there can be no such thing when portable and home systems are mutually exclusive by principle. A portable device can act as a home device but the same cannot be said the other way when the latter cannot be ergonomically carried around therefore the Switch is a portable system but you're clearly in denial about this since you refuse to face the simple facts at hand. Home systems DO NOT have integrated displays (touch screen) or can be operated with internal batteries like Switch ... (these aspects just make my argument stronger in favour that Switch should be classified as a portable system and precedent also backs me up in this regard) 

By the principle of mutual exclusion, I have logically proved that Nintendo is NOT offering a home console. Now we can get your confusion out of the way that the Switch is a home console ... 

Very good you say ? In case you didn't know, the Switch is trailing behind the WII launch aligned too. Did you lower your standards, rol ? LOL

Home systems do not have a touchscreen? So the Wii u was a portable or handheld then? You're finding some neat ways to deconstruct your own psychology!



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peachbuggy said:
fatslob-:O said:

How it functions matters not, it's all about the design. You say "hybrid" but there can be no such thing when portable and home systems are mutually exclusive by principle. A portable device can act as a home device but the same cannot be said the other way when the latter cannot be ergonomically carried around therefore the Switch is a portable system but you're clearly in denial about this since you refuse to face the simple facts at hand. Home systems DO NOT have integrated displays (touch screen) or can be operated with internal batteries like Switch ... (these aspects just make my argument stronger in favour that Switch should be classified as a portable system and precedent also backs me up in this regard) 

By the principle of mutual exclusion, I have logically proved that Nintendo is NOT offering a home console. Now we can get your confusion out of the way that the Switch is a home console ... 

Very good you say ? In case you didn't know, the Switch is trailing behind the WII launch aligned too. Did you lower your standards, rol ? LOL

Home systems do not have a touchscreen? So the Wii u was a portable or handheld then? You're finding some neat ways to deconstruct your own psychology!

This.