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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Phil Spencer Respond About The state of Xbox One First party Exclusives and The Answer is Sad

 

How do you feel

XBOX One will get a great... 8 10.26%
 
I don't care win or loose... 9 11.54%
 
Ouya master race 6 7.69%
 
I quit supporting Xbox 35 44.87%
 
I don't care i own every ... 7 8.97%
 
see result 13 16.67%
 
Total:78
flashfire926 on 16 April 2018
EricHiggin said:
flashfire926 said:

How exactly? The third party support is more robust than its ever been.

Well if you look at the third party support the 360 gained and had in general vs the PS3, then take the type of third party support the XB1 has had vs the PS4, and what the 360 had, it's pretty clear that XB1 isn't getting the same kind of backing the 360 did. This is mostly due to the lack of sales for the XB1 platform in comparison to the PS4, as well as Switch now, and that lack of sales is partially due to first party IP and exclusivity. Many of the top AAA third party titles have also went with PS4 for their marketing because of their larger user base. Just because the XB1X is getting some third party game patches doesn't mean it's got strong support.

and......do you have have any examples? 

I agree with you in the marketing deals part tho.

 



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pitzy272 on 16 April 2018
JesusBuiltmyHotRod said:
JRPGfan said:

 

Don't forget Sony just opened a new AAA studio....So they are still expanding.

What studio is this? And when was this announced?



HollyGamer on 16 April 2018
pitzy272 said:
JesusBuiltmyHotRod said:

Don't forget Sony just opened a new AAA studio....So they are still expanding.

What studio is this? And when was this announced?

Actually they starting to recruit to open a new one and supervise by the veteran in San Diego 

 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=235673&page=1



DonFerrari on 16 April 2018

It is obvious it take time to make good studios and IPs and that MS is the last of the 3 to have started putting effort into it...
Unfortunately although they promise to be putting more and more money, effort, focus on it, we never really see much result.



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LudicrousSpeed on 16 April 2018
EricHiggin said:
flashfire926 said:

How exactly? The third party support is more robust than its ever been.

Well if you look at the third party support the 360 gained and had in general vs the PS3, then take the type of third party support the XB1 has had vs the PS4, and what the 360 had, it's pretty clear that XB1 isn't getting the same kind of backing the 360 did. This is mostly due to the lack of sales for the XB1 platform in comparison to the PS4, as well as Switch now, and that lack of sales is partially due to first party IP and exclusivity. Many of the top AAA third party titles have also went with PS4 for their marketing because of their larger user base. Just because the XB1X is getting some third party game patches doesn't mean it's got strong support.

Marketing, sure. PS4 has a giant lead so it makes sense that companies would be signing with Sony, it would cost MS a ton of money to outbid them for those games. But third party software? That hasn’t slowed down for Xbone. It’s the same as it was for the most part last gen, PlayStation gets the de facto standard Japanese stuff that is mostly niche, Xbox gets everything else. I mean, what has Xbone missed this gen? Some JRPGs. You make it sound as if Bethesda or something has stopped making Xbone games. 

Third party has pretty much saved both consoles imho. Just from a personal standpoint.



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JRPGfan on 16 April 2018
thismeintiel said:

Took Sony 10 years? Do what? No, Sony has always been pumping out good 1st party stuff. Sure, they hit a slight stall at the beginning of the PS3 era, which we can chalk up to HD development learning, which also happened to Nintendo.

It's just the same old BS, journalists making excuses for Xbox, just like with the power disparity from the beginning of the gen. MS actually started strong with 1st party development this gen. It's just Xbox is no longer a #1 priority for MS, so they are cutting down on 1st party development and on buying 3rd party exclusives. Maybe they'll try again next gen, but if XB2 experiences a similar fate, they will ramp down, again. And if it performs worse, they may just be done altogether. At least as far as consoles are concerned.

I think he means opening studio's and growing talent within them, so they have developers able to do a game thats a 95 on metacritic. He saying that talent in the studios didnt just magically appear, sony grew the studios and the talent.

I think Phil is saying the same,....  give us time to open some studios and grow some talent in them.
But if this was true, why havnt we heard about MS buying some studios? or forming some new ones?

It could just be "empty" talk.... or maybe they have bought studios and just not announced them to the world yet?

It comes off sounding like : Phil - "Next gen we ll be better"  (but why should it? he doesnt explain "why")

meanwhile at Sony:
1) announce they ll invest more going forwards (next gen) into game developement than they have this gen.
2) theyre opening up a new big budget studio (could be the first of many)

 

DonFerrari said:
It is obvious it take time to make good studios and IPs and that MS is the last of the 3 to have started putting effort into it...
Unfortunately although they promise to be putting more and more money, effort, focus on it, we never really see much result.

Their too limited by their own 1st party studio's atm.
Thats not gonna change going forwards next gen, unless they start forming new studio's or buying some.

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COKTOE on 16 April 2018
LudicrousSpeed said:
EricHiggin said:

Well if you look at the third party support the 360 gained and had in general vs the PS3, then take the type of third party support the XB1 has had vs the PS4, and what the 360 had, it's pretty clear that XB1 isn't getting the same kind of backing the 360 did. This is mostly due to the lack of sales for the XB1 platform in comparison to the PS4, as well as Switch now, and that lack of sales is partially due to first party IP and exclusivity. Many of the top AAA third party titles have also went with PS4 for their marketing because of their larger user base. Just because the XB1X is getting some third party game patches doesn't mean it's got strong support.

Marketing, sure. PS4 has a giant lead so it makes sense that companies would be signing with Sony, it would cost MS a ton of money to outbid them for those games. But third party software? That hasn’t slowed down for Xbone. It’s the same as it was for the most part last gen, PlayStation gets the de facto standard Japanese stuff that is mostly niche, Xbox gets everything else. I mean, what has Xbone missed this gen? Some JRPGs. You make it sound as if Bethesda or something has stopped making Xbone games. 

Third party has pretty much saved both consoles imho. Just from a personal standpoint.

It's missed more than some RPG's. Sure, a majority of these games are smaller titles, but just in my own collection, there are games that aren't RPG's. EDF 4.1 for example. That whole series appears to be moving forward as PS4 console exclusives now, with EDF 5 and Iron Rain seemingly having no future on Xbox. I'm sure somebody with more energy than me could site more games from other genres. Xbox third party support is really good though. There's no denying that.



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Enemy on 16 April 2018

I don't think Microsoft really cares about creating games.

The original purpose that Xbox was created for was so 3rd party publishers would use Direct X and stay trapped on Windows. It was created to expand a Windows monopoly from PC and into the console space.

I think Spencer cancelled some games and slowed down first party development recently because they were losing money and he was hoping to ride on the specs of Xbox One X.

Now that Xbox One X isn't selling as well or slowing down the PS4, Spencer is talking up first party again.

I think he has been giving everyone the run around for years.



LiquorandGunFun on 16 April 2018

I will reserve any thoughts until E3, when a better educated opinion is available.

Terrible poll done by OP. So petty.



 

EricHiggin on 16 April 2018
flashfire926 said:
EricHiggin said:

Well if you look at the third party support the 360 gained and had in general vs the PS3, then take the type of third party support the XB1 has had vs the PS4, and what the 360 had, it's pretty clear that XB1 isn't getting the same kind of backing the 360 did. This is mostly due to the lack of sales for the XB1 platform in comparison to the PS4, as well as Switch now, and that lack of sales is partially due to first party IP and exclusivity. Many of the top AAA third party titles have also went with PS4 for their marketing because of their larger user base. Just because the XB1X is getting some third party game patches doesn't mean it's got strong support.

and......do you have have any examples? 

I agree with you in the marketing deals part tho.
LudicrousSpeed said:

Marketing, sure. PS4 has a giant lead so it makes sense that companies would be signing with Sony, it would cost MS a ton of money to outbid them for those games. But third party software? That hasn’t slowed down for Xbone. It’s the same as it was for the most part last gen, PlayStation gets the de facto standard Japanese stuff that is mostly niche, Xbox gets everything else. I mean, what has Xbone missed this gen? Some JRPGs. You make it sound as if Bethesda or something has stopped making Xbone games. 

Third party has pretty much saved both consoles imho. Just from a personal standpoint.
COKTOE said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Marketing, sure. PS4 has a giant lead so it makes sense that companies would be signing with Sony, it would cost MS a ton of money to outbid them for those games. But third party software? That hasn’t slowed down for Xbone. It’s the same as it was for the most part last gen, PlayStation gets the de facto standard Japanese stuff that is mostly niche, Xbox gets everything else. I mean, what has Xbone missed this gen? Some JRPGs. You make it sound as if Bethesda or something has stopped making Xbone games. 

Third party has pretty much saved both consoles imho. Just from a personal standpoint.

It's missed more than some RPG's. Sure, a majority of these games are smaller titles, but just in my own collection, there are games that aren't RPG's. EDF 4.1 for example. That whole series appears to be moving forward as PS4 console exclusives now, with EDF 5 and Iron Rain seemingly having no future on Xbox. I'm sure somebody with more energy than me could site more games from other genres. Xbox third party support is really good though. There's no denying that.

Japanese style games most certainly don't have the same presence on XB1 as the 360 did. I'm not saying XB1 third party is non existent or sucks, I'm just saying based on the growth the 360 had, the XB1 has at least stagnated, whether it be niche or not. You can say niche is useless and meaningless, but the truth is it's not. Every penny and every game/genre counts if you want to be on top.

When you see XB cancelling titles like Scalebound, which would have been an exclusive, but through a Japanese third party, it clearly shows the lack of interest XB has in overall diversity, and certain regions, which doesn't make it a surprise that they haven't been given as much overall third party support. I do agree without third party this gen, neither console would be doing near as well as it is, but XB1 most certainly would be in much worse shape without those third parties.

When you also see studios like Bungie, through Activision, favoring PS4 right from the start with Destiny and timed exclusivity, it has to make you wonder if that was solely money and marketing or did it have to do with XB and MS as a company in general? XB has lost some trust in the console community, and not just the customers, and your seeing the outcome of it in different ways through third party.

The fact that XB complained about PS locking up third party games or their DLC, only to then lock up PUBG on XB, and having it overtaken by Fortnite, mostly on PS, and the fact that now XB is constantly complaining that PS won't allow cross play on Fortnite, yet XB seems to be in no rush whatsoever to get PUBG on PS4, just screams that XB is not the uber friendly gamer oriented company they make themselves out to be. Insomniac and Sunset Overdrive, and now Spiderman on PS4, is another decent example. It's not hard to see why third party support isn't near as strong as it could be on XB1.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 16 April 2018