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VAMatt said:
eva01beserk said:

That would make sense, if MS had released quality games recently.

While I'm not a huge fan, the Forza Horizon games are almost universally considered excellent, and the regular Forza games are also widely praised.   Their other big series - Halo, Halo Wars, and Gears have all had very good entries this gen.  I can't think of anything they've put out that would be considered crap.  

So an 11th Forza game. A 7th Halo game and a 6th Gears game are what xbox fans can look forward to?



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Any other response would have been fairly insincere. This is the end result of not prioritizing first party content through their very strong Xbox360 run.



KazumaKiryu said:
Bandorr said:
Sony invested a lot into new studios, new games, and making sure they had good relationships with a lot of companies.

Microsoft has been spending money on timed exclusives, closing studios, and cancelling games. Any relationship to japan/JRPGs feels completely gone.

Xbox had the same 10 years. And they have done nothing, they are actually gotten worse over time not better. They have cancelled big titles like Scalebound, and Fable. Crackdown 3 is no where to be seen

Thats true, really sad. Funny is: These are the same words as in the first XboxOne year by Microsoft -.- I have no interest in xbox (in future) and two of my friends have sold it. For microsoft is profit important, but not the players and gaming studios. The entire time after the Xbox360 shows it in my opinion. Microsoft is rich, but Sony develops the most expensive video game-productions in the last 7-10 years - and this is awesome for us, for the player. One of the reasons why many people have zero interest in xbox anymore.

XB is there to keep SNY out of the PC/OS space. MS saw this potentially becoming a problem back during the PS1 and PS2 era. It's not a coincidence that MS wanted PS and/or Nin to work together with them, with MS offering to take care of the software and online side of things. Since neither agreed to it, the XB brand was born. Why? To protect the space that MS had already claimed, and make sure they didn't end up behind in the online services realm.

As long as XB is doing a good enough job at making sure the PS brand doesn't explode and grow like it did with PS2, or beyond, that's good enough for MS. The XB1 is doing exactly that right now, without being a huge financial burden, and so MS is just fine with where XB stands. I find it no surprise that PS backed off of the complete media entertainment system with PS4, and now XB1 seems to be backing off not only on the all in one media box, but console gaming to a degree as well. As long as the PS brand stays "in it's gaming place", MS will allow XB to be mediocre in certain ways, to be somewhat competitive, just to keep PS in check.

The reason why MS doesn't simply give XB the farm and allow them to snuff out PS, is because being a true console gaming platform, dedicated more so for the players, is not what MS is really after. Instead of destroying the greatness PS brings to the console gaming table, MS are simply protecting their main business. That's also not to say that there is nothing good about XB, it's just that the seemingly lack of effort, in comparison to PS, especially in super high quality first party games, from many more first party studios, is something MS doesn't want to invest in, based on their reason for being in the console space to begin with.

It's going to take a long time to figure out the first party situation, is just Phil saying it's basically not going to happen unless it's completely necessary to knock PS down a peg or two again. Otherwise, your simply going to get what you usually get, because it's the cheapest way to accomplish the true goal of XB, while potentially making some decent coin on the side from online services while they're at it. Phil must know this, and probably hates it, and tries to do the best he can with what he's given, but crossing the desert with a ball and chain, and just one bottle of water, won't get you near as far as the other guy who has a camel, knowledge of the oasis locations, and four weeks worth of supplies. 



ArchangelMadzz said:
VAMatt said:

While I'm not a huge fan, the Forza Horizon games are almost universally considered excellent, and the regular Forza games are also widely praised.   Their other big series - Halo, Halo Wars, and Gears have all had very good entries this gen.  I can't think of anything they've put out that would be considered crap.  

So an 11th Forza game. A 7th Halo game and a 6th Gears game are what xbox fans can look forward to?

Forza Horizon is different from Forza Motorsport. They play nothing alike. Forza Horizon 3 is a brilliant racing game and I'm a PlayStation fan and a PC gamer so no Xbox favouring there its just that good.

Forza Motorsport 7 is a good game too. Its not on the level of GT Sport though xD



Veknoid_Outcast said:

Wait, what?

First off all, no, it's not like Sony started investing in first party titles in 2007. Yes, after the disastrous launch of PS3 Sony needed to reinvest in first-party games, but the PS1 and PS2 eras had a lot of Sony-published titles. In fact, I'd argue PS2 was the company's best era for homegrown games. Titles like Ico, SotC, Jak, Ratchet, GoW, and others made 2001-2007 a halcyon age for Sony.

As for Phil, I'm done. It's enough already. I don't think I've ever seen a figure in the video game industry whose words and promises are so painfully out of touch with his actions (or the actions of his department). Just tell us the truth: that you're not going to invest in first-party games in the way Sony and Nintendo do; that you're going to rely on "AAA" third-party games to keep hardware sales afloat; that you're going to continue to move first-party games to GamePass because subscription dollars from Xbox Live and Game Pass are the future for Xbox; and that upcoming Microsoft-published games will feature a heavy focus on post-launch content and online multiplayer, to ensure the steady flow of those subscription dollars.

It's not even a bad thing! It makes financial sense for the company, even though it turns me off. Just own it.

They might improve their 1st party for next generation, but to the extent Sony and Nintendo have?...I don´t see it, Sony alone has like, 3 times as many studios while also letting them spread their wings to try new things.

MS´s focus seems to be Gaas, multiplayer heavy games.



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All I'll say is that their mismanagement of Lionhead speaks volumes about why their first party output is where it's at.

1. Lionhead goes to MS and says they want to do Fable 4
2. MS says no. SP is dead. Need to do multiplayer focus.
3. Lionhead try do a 4v1`multiplayer game because Evolve was such a good game
4. Game is a mess.
5. MS closes Lionhead.
6. MS decides to make Fable 4.

How the hell do you screw that up so bad?



The problem is MS has gone backwards when it comes to Studios. They had more first party studios during the 360 era. They shut a lot of those down. Now they don't have the number of studios to provide 1st part content consistently. I was just talking to one of my friends earlier today. I actually went out and bout Burnout Paradise for reason to turn on my Xbox One X. I may have to learn to love Halo if I want something I can't play elsewhere on my X1X.



JamesGarret said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Wait, what?

First off all, no, it's not like Sony started investing in first party titles in 2007. Yes, after the disastrous launch of PS3 Sony needed to reinvest in first-party games, but the PS1 and PS2 eras had a lot of Sony-published titles. In fact, I'd argue PS2 was the company's best era for homegrown games. Titles like Ico, SotC, Jak, Ratchet, GoW, and others made 2001-2007 a halcyon age for Sony.

As for Phil, I'm done. It's enough already. I don't think I've ever seen a figure in the video game industry whose words and promises are so painfully out of touch with his actions (or the actions of his department). Just tell us the truth: that you're not going to invest in first-party games in the way Sony and Nintendo do; that you're going to rely on "AAA" third-party games to keep hardware sales afloat; that you're going to continue to move first-party games to GamePass because subscription dollars from Xbox Live and Game Pass are the future for Xbox; and that upcoming Microsoft-published games will feature a heavy focus on post-launch content and online multiplayer, to ensure the steady flow of those subscription dollars.

It's not even a bad thing! It makes financial sense for the company, even though it turns me off. Just own it.

They might improve their 1st party for next generation, but to the extent Sony and Nintendo have?...I don´t see it, Sony alone has like, 3 times as many studios while also letting them spread their wings to try new things.

MS´s focus seems to be Gaas, multiplayer heavy games.

By then Sony's will be even far more seasoned.....they are too far behind barring sony's studios imploding.



ArchangelMadzz said:
VAMatt said:

While I'm not a huge fan, the Forza Horizon games are almost universally considered excellent, and the regular Forza games are also widely praised.   Their other big series - Halo, Halo Wars, and Gears have all had very good entries this gen.  I can't think of anything they've put out that would be considered crap.  

So an 11th Forza game. A 7th Halo game and a 6th Gears game are what xbox fans can look forward to?

Well, yeah. That's the state of gaming these days.    



VAMatt said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

So an 11th Forza game. A 7th Halo game and a 6th Gears game are what xbox fans can look forward to?

Well, yeah. That's the state of gaming these days.    

Not on playstation it isn't.....and even the franchises they have, look how they re-invented GOW...would MS let an xbox studio do this?