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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Phil Spencer Respond About The state of Xbox One First party Exclusives and The Answer is Sad

 

How do you feel

XBOX One will get a great... 8 10.26%
 
I don't care win or loose... 9 11.54%
 
Ouya master race 6 7.69%
 
I quit supporting Xbox 35 44.87%
 
I don't care i own every ... 7 8.97%
 
see result 13 16.67%
 
Total:78

My god, how ignorant is MacCaffrey? Sony had a very good First party even in the PS1 era...good lord. Phile Spencer is just as bad..we need time, had to focus on hardware? What a load of BS, the guys making games do not make the hardware, sony and N do both as they should. Spencer is full of BS.



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JRPGfan said:
JamesGarret said:
Does anyone here know how many studios Xbox has compared to Sony?

Also, if Phil Spencer were to decide that, in response to GOW, they´d make something similar, which one of their studios would he most likely pick to make the game?

Xbox has:
1- 343 - Halo
2- Turn 10 - Forza
3- Rare - Sea of theives
4- The Coalition - Gears of war

Multiplat - Lift London - mobile games?
Multiplat - Mojang - Minecraft

+ alot of 2nd party studios they work with.

Sony has:
1- Japan Studios - mix of things
2- Polyphony Digital - GT sports
3-Naughty Dog - Last of Us / Uncharted
4- Bend Studios - Days gone
5- San Diego Studio - MLB
6- Santa Monica studio - God of War
7- Sucker Punch - Ghost of Tsushima
8- Pixelopus - Concrete Genie
9- Guerrila Games - Horizon Zero Dawn
10- London Studios - VR / Playroom / Singstar
11- North West Studios - VR?
12-Media Molecule - Littlebigplanet / Dreams

Xdev - mix of things / help others
Foster City Studio - mix of things / help others
Ice Team - Research technology / help others

Forwards Works - mobile games?

+ abit less 2nd party than Xbox has.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Interactive_Entertainment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios

 

Don't forget Sony just opened a new AAA studio....So they are still expanding.



JRPGfan said:
JamesGarret said:
Does anyone here know how many studios Xbox has compared to Sony?

Also, if Phil Spencer were to decide that, in response to GOW, they´d make something similar, which one of their studios would he most likely pick to make the game?

Xbox has:
1- 343 - Halo
2- Turn 10 - Forza
3- Rare - Sea of theives
4- The Coalition - Gears of war

Multiplat - Lift London - mobile games?
Multiplat - Mojang - Minecraft

+ alot of 2nd party studios they work with.

Sony has:
1- Japan Studios - mix of things
2- Polyphony Digital - GT sports
3-Naughty Dog - Last of Us / Uncharted
4- Bend Studios - Days gone
5- San Diego Studio - MLB
6- Santa Monica studio - God of War
7- Sucker Punch - Ghost of Tsushima
8- Pixelopus - Concrete Genie
9- Guerrila Games - Horizon Zero Dawn
10- London Studios - VR / Playroom / Singstar
11- North West Studios - VR?
12-Media Molecule - Littlebigplanet / Dreams

Xdev - mix of things / help others
Foster City Studio - mix of things / help others
Ice Team - Research technology / help others

Forwards Works - mobile games?

+ abit less 2nd party than Xbox has.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Interactive_Entertainment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios

 

Thanks for the list.



VAMatt said:
Aeolus451 said:
His words don't really fit their actions. Canceling games, closing studios and buying up already popular IPs are not signs of thinking in the long term.

I disagree.  Cancelling games and closing studios are, presumably, actions meant to ensure they're not putting out crap games.  That's important to the long term health of the brand and ecosystem.  

That would make sense, if MS had released quality games recently.



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.

If only there were a way for MS to get several of Sony's exclusives, such as accepting orders of games under 500,000 units. Oh well. XB1 surely doesn't need Nier Automata, Ni No Kuni, DQ Builders, Ys VIII, Disgaea 5, etc.



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eva01beserk said:
VAMatt said:

I disagree.  Cancelling games and closing studios are, presumably, actions meant to ensure they're not putting out crap games.  That's important to the long term health of the brand and ecosystem.  

That would make sense, if MS had released quality games recently.

While I'm not a huge fan, the Forza Horizon games are almost universally considered excellent, and the regular Forza games are also widely praised.   Their other big series - Halo, Halo Wars, and Gears have all had very good entries this gen.  I can't think of anything they've put out that would be considered crap.  



LudicrousSpeed said:
COKTOE said:

People who like Xbox should hope MS isn't merely eyeballing GOW as something to be emulated, while Sony's studios continue to push forward with new ip's and ideas. They're already trying to squirt out a Horizon clone, which is kind of another sign that they don't "get it". I realize that there are going to be elements that bind games in the same genre, and even across different genres. But the best results seem to come from endeavors that are more organic in their origins, as opposed to corporately mandated, focus group tested games made in a virtual assembly line.

A clone of Horizon, which itself is just a clone of Ubisoft games. Where did you read they’re making a Horizon clone, lol.

Outside of superficial genre similarities, Horizon is literally nothing like any Ubi game, Mechanically, tonally... easy to tell who has played it and who is trolling.



Wait, what?

First off all, no, it's not like Sony started investing in first party titles in 2007. Yes, after the disastrous launch of PS3 Sony needed to reinvest in first-party games, but the PS1 and PS2 eras had a lot of Sony-published titles. In fact, I'd argue PS2 was the company's best era for homegrown games. Titles like Ico, SotC, Jak, Ratchet, GoW, and others made 2001-2007 a halcyon age for Sony.

As for Phil, I'm done. It's enough already. I don't think I've ever seen a figure in the video game industry whose words and promises are so painfully out of touch with his actions (or the actions of his department). Just tell us the truth: that you're not going to invest in first-party games in the way Sony and Nintendo do; that you're going to rely on "AAA" third-party games to keep hardware sales afloat; that you're going to continue to move first-party games to GamePass because subscription dollars from Xbox Live and Game Pass are the future for Xbox; and that upcoming Microsoft-published games will feature a heavy focus on post-launch content and online multiplayer, to ensure the steady flow of those subscription dollars.

It's not even a bad thing! It makes financial sense for the company, even though it turns me off. Just own it.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Wait, what?

First off all, no, it's not like Sony started investing in first party titles in 2007. Yes, after the disastrous launch of PS3 Sony needed to reinvest in first-party games, but the PS1 and PS2 eras had a lot of Sony-published titles. In fact, I'd argue PS2 was the company's best era for homegrown games. Titles like Ico, SotC, Jak, Ratchet, GoW, and others made 2001-2007 a halcyon age for Sony.

As for Phil, I'm done. It's enough already. I don't think I've ever seen a figure in the video game industry whose words and promises are so painfully out of touch with his actions (or the actions of his department). Just tell us the truth: that you're not going to invest in first-party games in the way Sony and Nintendo do; that you're going to rely on "AAA" third-party games to keep hardware sales afloat; that you're going to continue to move first-party games to GamePass because subscription dollars from Xbox Live and Game Pass are the future for Xbox; and that future Microsoft-published games with feature a heavy focus on post-launch content and online multiplayer, to ensure the steady flow of those subscription dollars.

It's not even a bad thing! It makes financial sense for the company, even though it turns me off. Just own it.

This , good post. The issue I have is Spencer says what people want to hear, and flip flops on a dime. Just come out and say what your vision is no BS, unfortunately MS likes to Spin and deflect.



JesusBuiltmyHotRod said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

A clone of Horizon, which itself is just a clone of Ubisoft games. Where did you read they’re making a Horizon clone, lol.

Outside of superficial genre similarities, Horizon is literally nothing like any Ubi game, Mechanically, tonally... easy to tell who has played it and who is trolling.

We can agree to disagree if you’re calling them “superficial genre similarities” lol but uh.... how the F is that trolling?