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Snoorlax said:

Trump just spit in the face of everyone who believed in him.

He said voting for Hillary would mean WW3 now we're witnessing the beginning of WW3 and the end of Donald Trump. It seems like he was a leftist all along. apparently he supports ISIS who was funded by Obama. USA will surrender to globalism and will end up becoming a socialist heaven. I don't support communism but it seems like the Russians are the good guys here what a shame.

When looking at past events like the proxy wars in Vietnam or Russia's invasion of Afghanistan, the air-dropped supplies into west Berlin after it was cut off, the Cuban Missile Crisis/Bay of Pigs fiasco, or just the Cold War in general... it's pretty darn hasty to say that THIS will be what triggers WW3. It's certainly sketchy, but we've been through worse.

One thing to consider is that Russia is far weaker than most seem to realize and doesn't compare to the super power that was the USSR. Their economy has crumbled, they're under crippling sanctions, their relations with China have chilled, and really they are about as isolated diplomatically as they've been in many decades.

They still have a powerful military and navy, but their GDP has dropped from $2.2 trillion in 2013 to under $1.5 trillion today, and in nearly every meaningful way now sports an economy weaker than Canada (which is not to insult Canada which has something like 1/5 the population and isn't trying to sustain an enormous military and navy). The real question is whether they could deliver a non-nuclear knock out punch early, as they would not be able to sustain a prolonged war unless it remained localized.

Right now what we're seeing is a bunch of posturing and bluffing from those involved... it may look unfamiliar to us, but that's because it's not something we've really had to deal with since the Cold War where such things were a daily occurrence. The truth is no nation (outside of perhaps a neutral China sitting back and watching) would benefit from such a war, and so they're instead playing a game of chicken. Putin may be an asshole but he's not stupid, and I imagine he'll do his damndest to win this standoff without actually committing to a full-scale war, even if it involves some proxy attacks.



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Mar1217 said:
I mean guys, this is just another repeat of the 2nd War in Irak.

It's blatantly obvious.

As long as it stays in irak and not Iraq...or Syria

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these events have been planned for a long time... the only people who don't get that now are hopelessly naive



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This will not start WW3. Trump nor Obama support ISIS. The Russians are not good or bad, they are acting in their own self-interest just as we do.

The sentence that the US will surrender to globalism and become a socialist heaven is almost an oxymoron. Globalism is more often than not associated with the expanse of capitalism.

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PDF said:
The sentence that the US will surrender to globalism and become a socialist heaven is almost an oxymoron. Globalism is more often than not associated with the expanse capitalism.

Tin foil hats are popular across the political spectrum.



Puppyroach said:
Trump is a moron and a racist and anyone who votes for him is a terrible person, but there is no WW3 coming. There is something very fishy with this whole situation that I can't put my finger on, but there is definitely no WW3 on the horizon.

Also, it's the agenda of both Republicans and democrats to wage war since the 80's, the left is opposed to any war and would like to dismantle most of the military overseas.

On behalf of everyone who did not vote for Trump, I'd like to say that Puppyroach does not represent us.



Puppyroach said:
Trump is a moron and a racist and anyone who votes for him is a terrible person, but there is no WW3 coming. There is something very fishy with this whole situation that I can't put my finger on, but there is definitely no WW3 on the horizon.

Also, it's the agenda of both Republicans and democrats to wage war since the 80's, the left is opposed to any war and would like to dismantle most of the military overseas.

Its always great pissing people like you off. One track and simple minded. Please just stay away from politics. 



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John2290 said:
Aeolus451 said:
That's your opinion. He only allowed strikes on targets related to chemical weapons and didn't attack any russians. I never voted for him so the US would become a hermit nation. I voted for him on several issues. Most nations consider the usage of chemical weapons to be a red line. The US has to remain a global player.

What chemical attacks? There was and still is no confirmation, it's all suspected. Why would they use chemical weapons when they'd already won? If there was a chemical attack last weekend Teresa May would have been the first to show the proof when announcing to the UK. Precision strikes are not fucking precise, even today. This is nothing more than a show to Russia. Don't believe the shite that this is a one time deal, Trumps composure with not one falter and no congress approval, it's all to obvious. This is an act of war against Russia plain and simple. Gritting my teeth while I wait for Russia's response. 

 

John2290 said:
Machina said:

Hopefully it's just like last time - a one-off set of targeted strikes to appease the warmongers.

I'm leaning towards thinking the alleged gas attack was a set up job because Assad was close to winning the war and Trump was about to end all American involvement, but I honestly don't know.

Even if definitively proved it was Assad I'd still oppose my country's intervention - it's simply not in our national interest to get involved and I'm sick of us spending a small fortune in money and lives getting involved in these Middle Eastern wars that have no 'good guys'. We just help turn these countries and their conflicts into even bigger messes than they already are - and for what? So our political class can preen themselves on the world stage? It pisses me off.

Exactly this, why would they use chemical weapons when they already had control. It's a very thinly veiled lie. Perhaps, it is a once off strike, a show before Russia get in to deep. dammit, I hope so. This would make sense.

 

John2290 said:
Aeolus451 said:

Since they delayed any action while they were verifying it all then they suddenly strike buildings only related to chemical weapons, what does that tell you? Stop blowing this stuff out of proportion and think calmly. It's not WW3 or the end of the world.

I'm not saying it's WW3 but I can't take CNN or any of these media outlets at their supposed knowledge that Russia was informed before the attack, Trump or May would have said so up front. If Russia are saying they were informed, then I need confirmation out of the White house that that's the case. Some time needs to pass and the misinformation needs to be filtered, indeed but the whole situation is far too fishy if not it has been handled in the worst possible manner imaginable. 

You forgot to photoshop a tin foil hat on Geralt.

Also people not to stop worrying about a "conflict" between Russia and Usa, if there ever will be one Russia dies in 2 seconds. People need to learn Russia is a weak country now where theirs GDP is lower than Italy's.



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Trumpstyle said:

Also people not to stop worrying about a "conflict" between Russia and Usa, if there ever will be one Russia dies in 2 seconds. People need to learn Russia is a weak country now where theirs GDP is lower than Italy's.

This is so true ... (too many people overestimate the global impact of Russia) 

The age of Russia or the USSR being a "superpower" are well past it's prime. Russia are making these moves not because they truly want to face the world but because they and Putin are desperate about preserving Russian history and culture where their nation is becoming more irrelevant in the past and coming years on the global stage ... (they desire to be isolationist to defend themselves, not to intentionally start wars) 

Russia is arguably going to be more scared shitless of it's rising neighbor from the south than America since their an immediate threat at their doorstep when they will have enough geopolitical power to go around and start bullying everyone around it ...