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contestgamer on 08 April 2018
Illusion said:
The trend is undeniable. Unfortunately, many of the sick elites who run the big tech companies and governments have this twisted view that there are too many humans on the earth and that even the very air we exhale is a toxic chemical (this is why so many of Europe's leftist leaders have no kids). If you don't believe me, take a look at the Georgia Guidestones, the earth's population is to be maintained under 500 million according to their targets. Every good exterminator knows that if you want to wipe out a species, you need to target it's reproduction mechanism. As a result, the media, universities and pretty much every big corporation and government out there has put forth a concerted effort to destroy traditional definitions of marriage and morality causing a systemic reduction in new births, increase in abortions, and increase in single parent families whose children are much more likely to be dependent on the state making them easier to control.

The fact is that without both a mother and a father, raising a family is very hard and it's a lot easier just not have kids. Raising well-adjusted kids who are independent and productive is even harder without a strong family unit and those are exactly the kinds of young people that the elites are most afraid of. Nothing scares billionaires like George Soros more than a person who has been raised with a keen sense of right and wrong and who can hear the message from CNN and turn it off immediately knowing that it is damaging propaganda meant to create a cult-like society where the ultra rich have complete control those below them and all freedom is gone from society.

There are way too many humans... We're making thousands of species go extinct every decade. Maybe you're a human supremacist, but I'm not. I believe we should have balance of all species, and 7 billion+ humans isn't balanced when you look at our effect on the ecosystem.



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contestgamer on 08 April 2018
o_O.Q said:
sundin13 said:

Before this conversation continues, I will again ask you to answer the question I have asked twice now. Do you think we live in a rape culture?

You cannot weasel your way out of answering this fundamental question by just pretending it isn't there.

EDIT: And wow, that edit is probably one of the most intellectually dishonest things I have ever seen.

the question is not fundamental to this discussion in anyway

you are asking it to justify your implying that i'm a liar before, which was in turn done to hand wave my argument away

 

isn't it funny how in this post you have now decided to completely ignore my argument entirely? isn't that telling? 

Your argument can't be justified unless you respond to his question first. You can't say everyone should be a vegan and plead the 5th when someone asks you if you're a vegan.



numberwang on 08 April 2018
ResilientFighter said:
women no longer fear leaving physically abusive and drunk men. It is actually a good thing they are strong and can raise their children without depending on a man that can do whatever the hell they want like back in the day.

You think that 73% of black men are drunk and abusive but only 17% of Asian men? How can your thesis explain that?



o_O.Q on 08 April 2018
contestgamer said:
o_O.Q said:

the question is not fundamental to this discussion in anyway

you are asking it to justify your implying that i'm a liar before, which was in turn done to hand wave my argument away

 

isn't it funny how in this post you have now decided to completely ignore my argument entirely? isn't that telling? 

Your argument can't be justified unless you respond to his question first. You can't say everyone should be a vegan and plead the 5th when someone asks you if you're a vegan.

well actually you can if you believe that its a better lifestyle but may not have the self control to incorporate it into your life

a better example is that i have a friend who had parents who didn't have tertiary education, but they advised him to obtain a tertiary education since he would be better off

and i refused to answer his question because he led our discussion with the implication that i am lying



contestgamer on 08 April 2018
o_O.Q said:
sundin13 said:

1) Stop dodging the question and answer it. If my assumptions were wrong, tell me that they were wrong. Don't play coy. Do you believe we live in a rape culture?

2) And do you think that those other statistics are a representative sample?

3) To quote your own links:

"To understand rape culture better, first we need to understand that it’s not necessarily a society or group of people that outwardly promotes rape (although it could be).

When we talk about rape culture, we’re discussing something more implicit than that. We’re talking about cultural practices (that, yes, we commonly engage in together as a society) that excuse or otherwise tolerate sexual violence.

We’re talking about the way that we collectively think about rape.

More often than not, it’s situations in which sexual assault, rape, and general violence are ignored, trivialized, normalized, or made into jokes."

Nothing in that definition states anything which contradicts Rol's point. The understood possibility that every male has a reasonable likelihood of raping you is not fundamental to the definition of rape culture, and as such the idea does not hold any argumentative power in this context. To bring it up shows a fundamental misunderstanding and misapplication of the concept.
 

" And do you think that those other statistics are a representative sample?"

representative of what? the population?

 

"To understand rape culture better, first we need to understand that it’s not necessarily a society or group of people that outwardly promotes rape (although it could be)."

to quote my own links

"The argument we make is that while women who have been raped endure the lasting effects of psychological and emotional harm, the problem of rape is not a “woman’s problem.” It is squarely a man’s problem. In the wake of recent horror stories about men in power who abuse women — like Harvey Weinstein — we offer some of our findings on rape culture and some suggestions for men to make change."

 

well shit look at that, a contradiction, now i suppose one could ask how would we decide which holds more weight?

well to me the obvious solution would be to look for trends and see which stance is more common... and overwhelmingly the problem is identified as men... i mean i could post a whole bunch of links demonstrating this but i think you already know this is the case

 

"Nothing in that definition states anything which contradicts Rol's point. The understood possibility that every male has a reasonable likelihood of raping you is not fundamental to the definition of rape culture"

first off that was not an official definition... that was one woman giving a response to people criticising the term "rape culture"

secondly you cherry picked one small part of what i posted when there are numerous other quotes that contradict your assertion... 

and jesus christ man in the exact same article you are quoting from they state these

"he ubiquity of street harassment – and how victims are told that they’re “overreacting” when they call it out."

"1-in-5 women and 1-in-71 men having reported experiencing rape"

are examples of rape culture

 

edit: i'm a little confused though, why are you trying so hard to absolve men for causing this problem?

Issue is we're calling this "rape culture", when it's really just part of human nature. If it wasn't it wouldn't be prevalent across various culturally  disparate societies. "Street harassment" is really a modern day, first world problem where cat calling is now an impetus for laws banning it in western countries. 



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sundin13 on 08 April 2018
o_O.Q said:
sundin13 said:

Before this conversation continues, I will again ask you to answer the question I have asked twice now. Do you think we live in a rape culture?

You cannot weasel your way out of answering this fundamental question by just pretending it isn't there.

EDIT: And wow, that edit is probably one of the most intellectually dishonest things I have ever seen.

the question is not fundamental to this discussion in anyway

you are asking it to justify your implying that i'm a liar before, which was in turn done to hand wave my argument away

 

isn't it funny how in this post you have now decided to completely ignore my argument entirely? isn't that telling? 

I do not wish to debate someone who does not believe the things that they are saying. All you need to do is tell me that you truly believe that we live in a rape culture and I will gladly continue this conversation. Without it, what is the point? If you don't believe the things you are saying, what is gained from arguing against them?

And I never called you a liar. I said that you were wielding opinions that you don't believe as a tool in seeking to expose some great hypocrisy of leftist belief.



o_O.Q on 08 April 2018
contestgamer said:
o_O.Q said:

" And do you think that those other statistics are a representative sample?"

representative of what? the population?

 

"To understand rape culture better, first we need to understand that it’s not necessarily a society or group of people that outwardly promotes rape (although it could be)."

to quote my own links

"The argument we make is that while women who have been raped endure the lasting effects of psychological and emotional harm, the problem of rape is not a “woman’s problem.” It is squarely a man’s problem. In the wake of recent horror stories about men in power who abuse women — like Harvey Weinstein — we offer some of our findings on rape culture and some suggestions for men to make change."

 

well shit look at that, a contradiction, now i suppose one could ask how would we decide which holds more weight?

well to me the obvious solution would be to look for trends and see which stance is more common... and overwhelmingly the problem is identified as men... i mean i could post a whole bunch of links demonstrating this but i think you already know this is the case

 

"Nothing in that definition states anything which contradicts Rol's point. The understood possibility that every male has a reasonable likelihood of raping you is not fundamental to the definition of rape culture"

first off that was not an official definition... that was one woman giving a response to people criticising the term "rape culture"

secondly you cherry picked one small part of what i posted when there are numerous other quotes that contradict your assertion... 

and jesus christ man in the exact same article you are quoting from they state these

"he ubiquity of street harassment – and how victims are told that they’re “overreacting” when they call it out."

"1-in-5 women and 1-in-71 men having reported experiencing rape"

are examples of rape culture

 

edit: i'm a little confused though, why are you trying so hard to absolve men for causing this problem?

Issue is we're calling this "rape culture", when it's really just part of human nature. If it wasn't it wouldn't be prevalent across various culturally  disparate societies. "Street harassment" is really a modern day, first world problem where cat calling is now an impetus for laws banning it in western countries. 

are you saying that rape and sexual harassment are natural?



bubblegamer on 08 April 2018

Oh no! The world is so bad these days. Better get back to completing my time machine.



contestgamer on 08 April 2018
o_O.Q said:
contestgamer said:

Issue is we're calling this "rape culture", when it's really just part of human nature. If it wasn't it wouldn't be prevalent across various culturally  disparate societies. "Street harassment" is really a modern day, first world problem where cat calling is now an impetus for laws banning it in western countries. 

are you saying that rape and sexual harassment are natural?

Has it been a common occurrence of all cultures throughout human history? Does it pervade virtually all mammalian species? It's more common than being gay and we call that natural. Natural doesn't equal right, but it means it is a part of the human fabric. Otherwise it would be rare. Murder is also part of human nature, but obviously should be punished. It's not an issue of "culture" it's an issue of people needing to keep their ancient ingrained dark sides in check. 

Physical harassment and rape you need to stomp out, because you can't have a society where people can hurt one another without repercussions. However so called street harassment, which most people on the left use for "cat calling" is not a real problem, unless it becomes physical or legitimately threatening. 

My uncle once got reprimanded by a woman for opening and holding the door open for her - apparently that was sexist. So this street harassment BS about cat calling being a criminal action now needs to stop and real crimes like rape and physical harassment needs to be punished. Unfortunately it's being taken less serious now due to minor infractions now being blown out of proportion. 



contestgamer on 08 April 2018
the-pi-guy said:
contestgamer said:

Issue is we're calling this "rape culture", when it's really just part of human nature. If it wasn't it wouldn't be prevalent across various culturally  disparate societies. "Street harassment" is really a modern day, first world problem where cat calling is now an impetus for laws banning it in western countries. 

If it's a part of human nature, why are there cultures that don't have these issues?

Show me a culture where women aren't raped or harassed more than men, at all.