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the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:

what about knives? people stab each other so should we regulate knives?

Switchblade Knife Act.

Besides knives don't have the speed of cars or the distance of guns.  

what about swimming? people drown often so should we regulate swimming?

Having lifeguards is a great way to regulate swimming.  

sex? deadly stis exist so should we regulate sex?

Having available condoms is infinitely more realistic than regulating sex. 

i mean this list could get infinitely long and ultimately at the end to make everything safe you'd have to lock everyone in a cell with a straight jacket 

You didnt list any regulations, you listed nice to have things such as condoms and lifeguards. With guns though you are taking about using state force to limit or eliminate sales.



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the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:

what about knives? people stab each other so should we regulate knives?

Switchblade Knife Act.

Besides knives don't have the speed of cars or the distance of guns.  

what about swimming? people drown often so should we regulate swimming?

Having lifeguards is a great way to regulate swimming.  

sex? deadly stis exist so should we regulate sex?

Having available condoms is infinitely more realistic than regulating sex. 

i mean this list could get infinitely long and ultimately at the end to make everything safe you'd have to lock everyone in a cell with a straight jacket 

There's a lot of reasonable common sense on that list, unless someone can throw hundreds of knives a minute, hundreds of feet lol. 

They have "No Lifeguard on Duty" signs, to indicate when you can't swim in certain places, and you can't swim, at all, without supervision.

There are laws against knowingly infecting people with STIs; it's true and very illegal! 



Insidb said:
the-pi-guy said:

There's a lot of reasonable common sense on that list, unless someone can throw hundreds of knives a minute, hundreds of feet lol. 

They have "No Lifeguard on Duty" signs, to indicate when you can't swim in certain places, and you can't swim, at all, without supervision.

There are laws against knowingly infecting people with STIs; it's true and very illegal! 

Yeah it's also common sense and illegal to shoot people. So by your logic that should be enough.



contestgamer said:
Insidb said:

There's a lot of reasonable common sense on that list, unless someone can throw hundreds of knives a minute, hundreds of feet lol. 

They have "No Lifeguard on Duty" signs, to indicate when you can't swim in certain places, and you can't swim, at all, without supervision.

There are laws against knowingly infecting people with STIs; it's true and very illegal! 

Yeah it's also common sense and illegal to shoot people. So by your logic that should be enough.

All of the above citations result in prosecution, if caught. Swimming restrictions even exist at public pools and beaches.



Insidb said:
contestgamer said:

Yeah it's also common sense and illegal to shoot people. So by your logic that should be enough.

All of the above citations result in prosecution, if caught. Swimming restrictions even exist at public pools and beaches.

Yeah but those are due to being part of private property, there is a billion areas you can swim without restriction. I can also drink myself to death with alcohol or give myself a heart attack by eating two dozen burgers or waste away slowly by living on Soda. You can harm others with cars, knives and a million other every day items.  Unless you're advocating for the exact same, identical regulations for guns as for swimming, driving or consumption of soda then don't argue down this line of thinking, because it would result in removing a lot more gun regulations than we already have.



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the-pi-guy said:
contestgamer said:

You didnt list any regulations, you listed nice to have things such as condoms and lifeguards. With guns though you are taking about using state force to limit or eliminate sales.

You can't regulate sex.  What could you do?  Lock people up?  Give everyone underwear with locks on them?  

I wasn't talking about using state force to limit or eliminate sales.  I was merely pointing out that certain things in life do have regulations on them.  Yet strangely we have incredible access to them.  Food is regulated.  There are tons of laws against food like unpasteurized milk.  Drugs are regulated.  I can't put random pills in a jar and start selling them.  
Do you struggle to find milk?  Do you struggle to find tylenol?  Do you struggle to buy cars?  Do you struggle to buy an airplane?  (Aside from the cost factor).  All of those things are pretty well regulated.  

 

Republicans like to blame mental illness, and I think that's a reasonable thing to look at.  But strangely they don't do anything about it...  Maybe not that strange.  

Actually weapons are highly regulated too. You cant buy nukes, chemical weapons, F15's and the list goes on and on. You can buy personal firearms which are the equivalent of pasteurized milk for the masses.



the-pi-guy said:
contestgamer said:

Actually weapons are highly regulated too. You cant buy nukes, chemical weapons, F15's and the list goes on and on. You can buy personal firearms which are the equivalent of pasteurized milk for the masses.

Did I say they weren't somewhere?  None of that changes anything that I've said.  

There are cars that are banned from the US, are you worried they'll ban more?

So what are you arguing for then? More regulations? Because then you're singling out guns as opposed to the millions of other dangerous things in every day life. OR you're ok with the status-quo as is?



the-pi-guy said:
contestgamer said:

So what are you arguing for then? More regulations? Because then you're singling out guns as opposed to the millions of other dangerous things in every day life. OR you're ok with the status-quo as is?

 

@bold, this is what I said: "Republicans like to blame mental illness, and I think that's a reasonable thing to look at.  But strangely they don't do anything about it...  Maybe not that strange."  I think there's lots of things that can be done about gun violence.  Regulations, or doing some research into looking into why some areas don't have the same problems.  If it's economic, then let's do something about it.  If it's mental illness, let's do something about that. If it's X, let's do something about that.  I'm in favor of either of those things.  Wouldn't it be great if there was a great solution to the problem without brining in a single new regulation?  Yet it seems instead of trying to come up with solutions, people on the right just come up with excuses.  

 

@underline:  No, if you've actually seen what I've written before, you'd realize that's not the case.  

Potato chips and sprite should definitely be regulated.  Better yet, give tax incentives to healthier food.  That'd be more realistic.  

I was serious about this.  Give tax breaks on healthy food, or tax junk food.  Make healthy food cheaper than unhealthy food.  

https://www.vox.com/2018/1/17/16870014/junk-food-tax

 

I've never singled out guns.  There are all kinds of problems that need fixing.  

OK, I agree with all that, misunderstood you earlier. I thought you were debating me from the other side with all the back and forth.



Insidb said:
the-pi-guy said:

There's a lot of reasonable common sense on that list, unless someone can throw hundreds of knives a minute, hundreds of feet lol. 

They have "No Lifeguard on Duty" signs, to indicate when you can't swim in certain places, and you can't swim, at all, without supervision.

There are laws against knowingly infecting people with STIs; it's true and very illegal! 

Common sense, huh?

Knives can be devastating if used to their strengths. If you charge at people head-on and yell, you'll end up like a raider in fallout with a pool stick.

That's false. No lifeguard on duty means swim at your own risk. You can still swim at beaches, rivers and lakes regardless of lifeguards.

In their infinite wisdom, lefties in California have decriminalized knowingly giving others deadly STDs.

*shrugs



Insidb said:
the-pi-guy said:

Yes, we should require people to get licenses, and take away their licenses if they abuse them.  Require all cars to be on a registry, maybe we'll label all the cars with a new invention called license plates; that way the police can look up license plates to check certain factors of the car.  

Potato chips and sprite should definitely be regulated.  Better yet, give tax incentives to healthier food.  That'd be more realistic.  

Honestly, we should probably also require drivers to insure their vehicles, to cover them and other drivers. A permit test would be a great idea, making sure they understand the rules of the road. If we did that, we could have a temporary practicing period, completely supervised, so they are ready to drive. It would also be best that they take a road test, before they're allowed to operate a vehicle alone.

I read an article the other day about a women who was arreseted for like her 9th DUI. She has no license, it has been revoked due to DUI's in the past. She is wanted in like 6 states.

But guess what. With all of those rules, regulations, laws, testing, ect. she still was out and about drinking and driving.

It's the same for guns. The only people who will be following the rules and giving up their guns or not buying illegal guns will be law abiding citizens. People intent on murder, mass killings, crime, ect wont care about the rules. The U.S. is a huge place. So easy to illegally sell things without getting caught. Also our border is huge. Super easy to sneak in illegal drugs/firearms.