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I believe that (assuming he really existed), he was a super guy and an inspiration to be looked up to and emulated. Beyond that though? As in death and resurrection, walking on water, turning water into wine and such? Nope, sorry, just can't buy into it, especially seeing as that I studied and have a degree in History..

Totally not knocking those who do believe such things of course.

But yeah, I consider myself Agnostic. I believe that there's likely SOME higher power out there, maybe even one that controls things, watches over us, or at least intervenes; it'd be naive and arrogant of us to assume we stand at the absolute pinnacle of power. I just believe that, even if there were something bigger out there, we simple are not capable of comprehending it, let alone discovering or finding evidence of it. At least not in our lifetimes and probably not a million more. It's like Goldfish trying to comprehend the world outside their bowl. Just can't happen.



 

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DarthMetalliCube said:

I believe that (assuming he really existed), he was a super guy and an inspiration to be looked up to and emulated. Beyond that though? As in death and resurrection, walking on water, turning water into wine and such? Nope, sorry, just can't buy into it, especially seeing as that I studied and have a degree in History..

Totally not knocking those who do believe such things of course.

But yeah, I consider myself Agnostic. I believe that there's likely SOME higher power out there, maybe even one that controls things, watches over us, or at least intervenes; it'd be naive and arrogant of us to assume we stand at the absolute pinnacle of power. I just believe that, even if there were something bigger out there, we simple are not capable of comprehending it, let alone discovering or finding evidence of it. At least not in our lifetimes and probably not a million more. It's like Goldfish trying to comprehend the world outside their bowl. Just can't happen.

Yeah except when you see, wars, starvation, murders, rapes, injustice, poverty etc... I'm having a hard time with the concept of "One that controls things and watches over us". More like one that sits back and enjoys a sick show of humanity. But that would imply there is a Devil and not a God out there which makes no sense either so I'm gonna go with: There is nothing out there, nothing aware and almighty at least.



numberwang said:

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At the beginning Tyson seemed relatively down to earth to me. Now he displays the same bad characte ristcs as any other pious prick.



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CrazyGamer2017 said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

I believe that (assuming he really existed), he was a super guy and an inspiration to be looked up to and emulated. Beyond that though? As in death and resurrection, walking on water, turning water into wine and such? Nope, sorry, just can't buy into it, especially seeing as that I studied and have a degree in History..

Totally not knocking those who do believe such things of course.

But yeah, I consider myself Agnostic. I believe that there's likely SOME higher power out there, maybe even one that controls things, watches over us, or at least intervenes; it'd be naive and arrogant of us to assume we stand at the absolute pinnacle of power. I just believe that, even if there were something bigger out there, we simple are not capable of comprehending it, let alone discovering or finding evidence of it. At least not in our lifetimes and probably not a million more. It's like Goldfish trying to comprehend the world outside their bowl. Just can't happen.

Yeah except when you see, wars, starvation, murders, rapes, injustice, poverty etc... I'm having a hard time with the concept of "One that controls things and watches over us". More like one that sits back and enjoys a sick show of humanity. But that would imply there is a Devil and not a God out there which makes no sense either so I'm gonna go with: There is nothing out there, nothing aware and almighty at least.

Fair enough - truth is I don't know for sure but neither do you :P

Doesn't necessarily mean it's benevolent, it can be totally indifferent. But whatever, there could very well be nothing else beyond or above us. I certainly don't favor the concept of some singular conscious being controlling us and everything else either or of any religion in particular -  what I AM saying is considering we're barely specs in this massive universe I think that's a bit short-sighted in its own way to assume that we as humans just stand at the absolute pinnacle of power, control, and consciousness in the universe and that somehow all the endless matter around us just completely manifest itself without any rhyme or reason or any source.



 

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CrazyGamer2017 said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

I believe that (assuming he really existed), he was a super guy and an inspiration to be looked up to and emulated. Beyond that though? As in death and resurrection, walking on water, turning water into wine and such? Nope, sorry, just can't buy into it, especially seeing as that I studied and have a degree in History..

Totally not knocking those who do believe such things of course.

But yeah, I consider myself Agnostic. I believe that there's likely SOME higher power out there, maybe even one that controls things, watches over us, or at least intervenes; it'd be naive and arrogant of us to assume we stand at the absolute pinnacle of power. I just believe that, even if there were something bigger out there, we simple are not capable of comprehending it, let alone discovering or finding evidence of it. At least not in our lifetimes and probably not a million more. It's like Goldfish trying to comprehend the world outside their bowl. Just can't happen.

Yeah except when you see, wars, starvation, murders, rapes, injustice, poverty etc... I'm having a hard time with the concept of "One that controls things and watches over us". More like one that sits back and enjoys a sick show of humanity. But that would imply there is a Devil and not a God out there which makes no sense either so I'm gonna go with: There is nothing out there, nothing aware and almighty at least.

I would recommend reading "The Hiding Place", the story of Corrie Ten Boom about her experiences of how God can be used for good even during the tragic times of world war 2. Great book regardless. 

 

You can look at life through 2 different lens...

We are here by random chance and those who face tragic events just got "unlucky" and there is no redemption or purpose for their life. 

Or, despite the brokenness of this world, there is still beauty that comes out of these tragic events with redemption for those who suffered unfairly.   

 

I can say that most believers do struggle with the notion of the "why do these bad things happen", but it is through that friction and struggle that most become stronger people and closer to God. 



I was raised in the CoE, confirmed and all that but I've mostly moved away from the church now. It doesn't really weigh on my life. It taught basic morals which are the foundation of our society and it's that side of things that is interesting to me. How human came to adapt and grow based on teachings of morality based on a book. The man 'Jesus' existed, whether he was son of God is another matter entirely.

However, in context of the question if and when I hear the above, if said to be by someone, I think.
"Yeah, no thanks. You have your opinions, I have mine."

I've been there done that and came to my own conclusions.



Hmm, pie.

DarthMetalliCube said:

Fair enough - truth is I don't know for sure but neither do you :P

Doesn't necessarily mean it's benevolent, it can be totally indifferent. But whatever, there could very well be nothing else beyond or above us. I certainly don't favor the concept of some singular conscious being controlling us and everything else either or of any religion in particular -  what I AM saying is considering we're barely specs in this massive universe I think that's a bit short-sighted in its own way to assume that we as humans just stand at the absolute pinnacle of power, control, and consciousness in the universe and that somehow all the endless matter around us just completely manifest itself without any rhyme or reason or any source.

You're right, I don't know for sure anymore than you or anyone else. But what I do is look at what is out there and what we know for sure and from there I form a reasonable opinion. Example: In nature the tiger will VERY PAINFULLY rend and tear the flesh of the deer in order to eat so it is reasonable to assume that nature IF created by some superior being, was not made out of kindness or enlightenment. Instead nature is a blind push towards survival with no "moral" concept whatsoever. Those are the best clues we have to figure out if there is some superior being that his/her intentions are not benevolent or enlightened. But as primitive as we humans are, we are capable of at least a little bit of compassion and we understand the concepts of right and wrong, even if we are far from full wisdom so again it's reasonable to assume that such a supreme being should be light years ahead of us in terms of kindness and benevolence and enlightenment. Therefore logic suggests there is NO such being out there as the cruelty of his creation which is nature demonstrates.

Also I never said we are the pinnacle of power in the universe, we are indeed an insignificant speck lost in an immense vastness of space, matter and energy that we don't even fully comprehend yet. We are just a sentient species, aware of our own existence and seeking meaning in this vast universe. But just because we are lost in this existence does not mean that making up stories (like religion does) to feel better about ourselves is the intelligent thing to do.

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Baldeagle8 said:

I would recommend reading "The Hiding Place", the story of Corrie Ten Boom about her experiences of how God can be used for good even during the tragic times of world war 2. Great book regardless. 

 

You can look at life through 2 different lens...

We are here by random chance and those who face tragic events just got "unlucky" and there is no redemption or purpose for their life. 

Or, despite the brokenness of this world, there is still beauty that comes out of these tragic events with redemption for those who suffered unfairly.   

 

I can say that most believers do struggle with the notion of the "why do these bad things happen", but it is through that friction and struggle that most become stronger people and closer to God. 

I'm sorry but this makes no sense to me.  So what you are saying is that asking these very relevant questions like "Why do these bad things happen" get people closer to the very being that creates these bad things or at the very least allows the bad things to happen to people? What is this? Like some perverted version of the Stockholm Syndrome?

It's as if a victim of nazism said, only through asking the question: Why did Hitler do or allowed all these bad things to happen to us victims, only through asking such questions can we get stronger and closer to... Hitler!

So not only do religious people get no answer to that very fundamental question but asking it makes all the bad stuff magically go away and makes them get closer to the God that is at the origin of all their suffering, that's so illogical and at the same time such a very religious thing to do.

As for how to look at life, the second option that you state, looks pretty and ideal but as a freethinker and a truth seeker I cannot ignore the hardcore logic of the first option as demonstrated by all the evidence around us.

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Jesus is our Lord and Savior

non-believers trust their weak brain too much, human intelligence is like that of a worm compared to god

god created science in the first place... humans are just doing their best to discover it

 

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don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^