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I think about adding Jesus christ, the servant of our Lord and saviour, as it is blasphemy to me to proclaim God has progeny and that he would reduce himself to a limited human form which is uncharacteristic of any true God in my opinion. God the one and only who begets not nor is He begotten, the ever living the eternal who has no ending nor beginning There is nothing like Him you can't compare him to any beibgor creation



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roadkillers said:

Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior

What do you think when you hear this? 

I think it's stupid and triggering, but I am better off hearing it over Islamic chants like Allahu Akbar. 



LurkerJ said:
roadkillers said:

Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior

What do you think when you hear this? 

I think it's stupid and triggering, but I am better off hearing it over Islamic chants like Allahu Akbar. 

Why dont you want to praise me :( ?



Soundwave said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

life and death is never outdated, unless science finds a way to immortality or proves Christianity is not real

I've looked beyond enough, I even got a degree in Science! :D (yes I'm serious)

in my view, true Christians are destined to live happier lives than atheists in better health of the spirit, I know I'm harsh, a simple example:

everyone has, or is going to, lose some close people at some point in life, only that Christians can bear the pain much easier, since their beloved is now in a much better place, no more pain, and is still looking over them in a spiritual way, until we meet again

but for atheists, the thought that we are all destined to become nothing but soil and memories must be very miserable, and makes the pain of loss much harder to withstand and get over

I wouldn't be surprised if immortality is that far off to be honest. Maybe 2-3 generations away. Genetic engineering, nano tech, gene modification, brain to computer interfacing are the first baby steps towards it just like the giant room sized computers of the 1950s/60s were the first steps towards the pocket sized super computers everyone has today. 

If you have two ugly people (equally ugly) and one decides to accept they're ugly while the other one decides to believe they're beautiful, it wouldn't surprise me if the one who has chosen to deny reality would be happier. That doesn't make them good looking though, lol. One's POV can determine one's happiness, we know that, that doesn't mean the POV is necessarily correct. 

"Western countries" are happier because they generally have higher standards of living from scientific/technological/medical progress and less violent upheaval recently. But even that is a fairly recent development, Europe was probably the most violent place on earth for several hundred years culminating with World War II which almost obliterated the continent. Post World War II is the only time its known relative peace and a technological society has sprung up, but in that era of "happiness" Europe has also become dramatically less religious. 

what you say could come is ''live extension'' or better "body modification - brain preservation'', matter will always be vulnerable, don't you know

beauty is just as subjective as reality, everyone lives in his own ''reality'', the point of life is happiness, not beauty or accepting whatever reality comes with the times

anything that makes you happy is real enough, same with Christianity, if you feel it, it must be real

it's not just the recent years, Europe has always had some of the higher standards of living from scientific/technological/medical progress because their faith allowed them to progress through the years and invest their time in things that could actually make other's lives better and happier

wars are just the making of a few power-thirsty, brainless individuals who manipulate the weak souls, leading them to self-destruction, they are not as relevant as you think, Africa had the fewest wars and China the most, yet the Christian countries are much happier

I wouldn't say ''dramatically'' but yeah, watch Christian numbers drop while suicides and murder attacks are already getting more and more frequent, personal psychologists and psychotherapists will be swimming in gold, talk about the cure of the spirit, in my view happiness will start to drop, wait until the cycle comes around and Christianity will be the new fashion

regarding war, Christian prophesies from 30 years ago say that while Western countries are moving away from Christianity, WW3 is inevitable, and every detail so far is sadly, spot-on...

contestgamer said:
Peh said:

That's a harsh generalization.

If you say modern, can I say outdated?

"too immersed in their life to see beyond", now that's a funny statement.

How far beyond did you looked in other direction than the one you are looking at right now(christianity)?

 

It's not that I turned atheist for the lulz of it. There is some serious thought process behind it to abandon the view ones hold since birth. It's because you dig deeper and deeper and try to understand the concept of god and your very own existence that leds you away from one of thousands of made up answers on this god forsaken planet. Maybe there is one correct answer out there, but yours it is not. I've been there already.

Dude, how would you know what's the correct answer out there? There have been people who have "been there", where you are to use your phrase and ended up finding God. There have been people who have put a lot of thought in to every side of arguments. Putting thought in to something isn't an assurance that you're right, unless you believe you're the most brilliant man to ever walk the earth. I say this as an atheist myself.

the fact that he's been there before doesn't say much, I haven't always been there...

best guess is that the timing or guidance wasn't right, he probably hasn't been through enough at the time to understand, not mature enough, as Christianity says, no gain without pain

when it comes to religion, atheists are just looking to expose tiny flaws such to convince themselves that what their belief is the true one, they don't really try to see what the overall picture is about, at all

contestgamer said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

life and death is never outdated, unless science finds a way to immortality or proves Christianity is not real

I've looked beyond enough, I even got a degree in Science! :D (yes I'm serious)

in my view, true Christians are destined to live happier lives than atheists in better health of the spirit, I know I'm harsh, a simple example:

everyone has, or is going to, lose some close people at some point in life, only that Christians can bear the pain much easier, since their beloved is now in a much better place, no more pain, and is still looking over them in a spiritual way, until we meet again

but for atheists, the thought that we are all destined to become nothing but soil and memories must be very miserable, and makes the pain of loss much harder to withstand and get over

This is stupid. The idea of an afterlife is what would make me miserable, to live in eternity sounds like hell . Especially wondering if your loved one made it to Heave, hell or the purgatory. Everything has two perspectives. A lot of atheists view death as peace, like going to bed at night and sleeping, but never to wake up again. You can enjoy life and accept that it ends at the same time.

'live in eternity sounds like hell''
oh god

''Especially wondering if your loved one made it to Heave, hell or the purgatory.Everything has two perspectives.''
well your perspective sounds really selfish, you prefer the thought that your loved one is gone forever, so that you won't have to wonder where he is? omg, god bless

your loved one has the chance to repent for his/her sins, unless your loved one is some kind of blood-thirsty murderer, thief, satanist, rapist... there's not much to worry about

''A lot of atheists view death as peace'' no wonder suicides and suiciders are on the rise in the US...

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don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

Soundwave said:
Personally I don't think most Christians actually believe this. If you actually did, then what value does a material, very temporary life have on this planet? You wouldn't care about material possessions past basic necessities and would spend all your time helping the poor/underprivileged. You'd have masses of people going to help refugees, washing their feet, etc. because that's what Jesus would do.

But none of these people really do any of that. So really how much do they actually believe in it past the "cool, I get free unlimited life after this one!" part of it?

the point of this life is to determine which human souls are pure enough

Christians have their-selves and family to feed and look after... yet many are still sending food and donations to help, EU and US are the world's top donators in humanitarian aid, that is part of the people's money you know, it's not like we got a huge balance in the bank and do nothing, rich people though should act more

all humans are sinners in the eyes of god, we are not expected or supposed to be anywhere close to Jesus



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

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contestgamer said:
Peh said:

Tolerance has its limits. I also don't want people who think the earth is flat to reproduce. 

I see. So anyone that believes something not backed by science should not be allowed to reproduce. Which means nobody should because everyone believes SOMETHING not backed by facts. I wonder how you'd like to enforce this? 

I see your point but honestly you gotta understand that someone dumb enough or so uneducated that he/she actually thinks the earth is flat in the 21st century deserves spite and contempt cause seriously the word "dumb" doesn't even come close to qualify such people.

Now having said that, I don't have a problem with such people reproducing because dumbness is not hereditary. Such persons should probably not be allowed to educate their kids as they obviously have nothing good to teach their offspring except ignorance but that does not mean the kid is condemned to be a moron too. As an example, my mother brainwashed me with religion during my childhood and when very young I believed all the stuff she said but in my early teen years I began questioning all that religious nonsense and after that religion never got a grip on me anymore.

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This thread has been eye-opening in that it has shown just how far people are willing to go to twist facts an logic in the quest for hope, even at the expense of reason and science.

Look, guys, God might be real, religion might be legit, and Christianity just might be the way, but there's no scientific evidence to back any of it up.

You can't disprove religion, but the conclusions drawn from religion cannot be proven either. If you make the claim that God is real and that your religion is right, then the onus of proof is on you, not me. It is the clergy that is making bold claims, not scientists. It is the church that is pushing an agenda without backing it up. Without some sort of proof (and no, anecdotal 'I felt the presence of God' stories do not count), Religion SHOULD be given the same level of credibility as Moby Dick or Grimm's fairy tales.

But it never will, because religion is so deeply ingrained in society that you can't get rid of it. Despite it being devoid of logic or reason and existing only as a catch-all to fill in the holes in our knowledge base. Basically, religion is just there to say 'hey, we don't know everything, so why not create an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being that can just be the answer to everything we haven't figured out?"

It was dumb when we thought that volcanoes were the rage of the gods, it was dumb when we thought the plague was a curse from god, and it's dumb now that people think the world is 6000 years old.

The only place religion has in an enlightened society is in ancient history alongside the pantheon of greek gods and other myths. Until the church can substantiate their claims, religion should be treated with the same dismay as flat-earthers.



LurkerJ said:
roadkillers said:

Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior

What do you think when you hear this? 

I think it's stupid and triggering, but I am better off hearing it over Islamic chants like Allahu Akbar. 

All that means though it "God is Great/the Best", so is it that proclamation or the fact that it's Arabic turn you off?



VGPolyglot said:
LurkerJ said:

I think it's stupid and triggering, but I am better off hearing it over Islamic chants like Allahu Akbar. 

All that means though it "God is Great/the Best", so is it that proclamation or the fact that it's Arabic turn you off?

If there's a god, it can't possibly be great, let alone the best.

And I am just an Islamophobe, nothing to do with the meaning of the phrase. 



Alara317 said:
The only place religion has in an enlightened society is in ancient history alongside the pantheon of greek gods and other myths. Until the church can substantiate their claims, religion should be treated with the same dismay as flat-earthers.

I think the rest of your segment is fine but this part is a little bit misleading. Unlike religion where there is no concrete evidence evidence for or against it; there is concrete evidence against a flat earth model. Religious people are choosing to believe in an abstract concept that cannot be proven either way, while flat-earthers are just ignorant on science. So while the burden of proof is on the religious, and comparing modern religion to mythologies and fables might be valid, I think religion is in a separate category from flat earth theorists and it's not really fair to conflate the two.

Although I suppose you could successfully argue that the hyper religious act in the same manner as flat-earthers; completely certain in their beliefs and closed off to any criticisms.