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Nope I believe a man died gruesomely on a cross for no good reason at the time and the story has been enriched over the centuries. By people telling it over and over again while adding details. People prefer a good story over one that is perfectly true.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

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donathos said:
Baldeagle8 said:

...there is something about believing your story has a purpose beyond just keeping our species alive. 

Speaking as an atheist (a fairly hardcore one), when I hear this sort of thing, I feel some sympathy. I believe that "purpose" can be individual, and I don't believe that a belief in God is required to have purpose in one's life, but I sympathize at least with the desire for a sense of purpose.

If that were all that theism represented, frankly, I don't think that theists and atheists would have much contention between them. But theism, and whatever sense of purpose it provides, is usually associated with some type of dogma... and very often with political ends, as well. If theists were people who felt purposeful, but did not pronounce homosexuality immoral by divine authority, for instance, or legislate against the same, then perhaps atheists would still disagree on some level with the underlying belief in God, but I doubt that anyone would care much about the resulting difference.

Beyond that, I wonder, if the purpose that a belief in God provides is beyond "just keeping our species alive," then what precisely is that divinely ordained purpose? Singing hosannas?

Nailed it, that's a good way of putting it and pretty much how I see things.

Does there HAVE to be a higher purpose to it all? To imply there is diminishes our value and importance. Maybe the meaning of life is just to live. The value and purpose of life is simply for the individual to experience it.



 

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Peh said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

I think there is tons of evidence, the thing is if you trust/accept them or not, no Jesus is gonna come to you just to prove the is real :P

what is missing is ''proof'' in terms of logic, which makes sense to me, religion is based on belief that there are beings of a higher intelligence and spiritual existence in another dimension, it is to be expected that human logic is not powerful enough to understand and explain everything related

You mean subjective evidence which cannot be evaluated and for non believers and believers in other deities it's the same as no evidence at all.

it makes perfect sense that non-religions people would show skepticism regarding miracles

many Christian prophecies came true with insane accuracy, which serves another kind of ''evidence'

some simple examples, prophesies from Saint Cosmas of Aetolia, around 1750:

''You will see in the plain a carriage without horses which will run faster than a rabbit.'' - referring to cars

''The time will come when people will speak from one far place to another, for example, from Constantinople to Russia, as though they were in adjoining rooms.'' - referring to phones and the internet

"The cause of the general war will come from Dalmatia. First will split Austria and then the Turkey." - From there found occasion the 2 previous World Wars. Because both Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose murder (28 June 1914) has prompted the First World War and Hitler who started the Second one, were Austrians.  The Austro-Hungary was dissolved back in 1918, and its occupied in the past land of Yugoslavia partitioned after 1990.

what's much more interesting is his prophesy regarding World War 3, and how it is already starting to become real

 

FragileSurface said:

 


the very reason Jesus was persecuted was because apart from his teachings, the masses also witnessed the miracles and became his followers, Roman kings felt threatened by his ''son of god'' claims and the overall trend he caused...

Have you read the Bible?  The Jews were more interested in executing Jesus than the Romans.  Jesus committed sins which were punishable by death according to Jewish law such as doing work on the Sabbath.  

I know!



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CrazyGamer2017 said:
Pagan said:

You have forgotten the other son. The lightbearer.

Aha, you mean Lucifer.

The guy's just as fake and imaginary as God. Though his portrayal in horror movies and video games is entertaining.

OP was talking about gods only son. Well thats not true. He had more than one son according to the story.



contestgamer said:
Alara317 said:

This is a facetious post, right? Like, there's no way you actually believe this, is there? 

Please, for the love of the land and the future of our society, please don't actually believe something so foolish, willfully ignorant, and misguided. 

If you do, please don't breed. 

I thought you're all about tolerance? Oh right, you mean you're only tolerant of people that believe the same things you do.

I said don't breed, not that you yourself deserved to die. 

You have every right to believe what you believe, but when what you believe is completely devoid of reason, logic, or science, then you really shouldn't be passing that belief on to others or the next generation. 



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Pagan said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

Aha, you mean Lucifer.

The guy's just as fake and imaginary as God. Though his portrayal in horror movies and video games is entertaining.

OP was talking about gods only son. Well thats not true. He had more than one son according to the story.

Yeah but the one you are talking about, well God is not too proud of him so he'd rather pretend he does not exist so in turn that son is pissed off and likes to do evil stuff and whatnot... Well family dramas, well all know how that goes



Peh said:
contestgamer said:

I thought you're all about tolerance? Oh right, you mean you're only tolerant of people that believe the same things you do.

Tolerance has its limits. I also don't want people who think the earth is flat to reproduce. 

I see. So anyone that believes something not backed by science should not be allowed to reproduce. Which means nobody should because everyone believes SOMETHING not backed by facts. I wonder how you'd like to enforce this? 



contestgamer said:
Peh said:

Tolerance has its limits. I also don't want people who think the earth is flat to reproduce. 

I see. So anyone that believes something not backed by science should not be allowed to reproduce. Which means nobody should because everyone believes SOMETHING not backed by facts. I wonder how you'd like to enforce this? 

Do I need to give you a strong Robert Downet Jr. from Tropic Thunder speech right now? 

You just showed your hand, and you've gone too far. 



contestgamer said:
Peh said:

Tolerance has its limits. I also don't want people who think the earth is flat to reproduce. 

I see. So anyone that believes something not backed by science should not be allowed to reproduce. Which means nobody should because everyone believes SOMETHING not backed by facts. I wonder how you'd like to enforce this? 

Yeah..no. 

Rather the people who are on a crusade against facts and science driven by their belief and incurable ignorance to  spread their stupidity right and left where ever they put their feet down.

 

And, because you like to put words in my mouth so let me have the fun of doing the same.

 

You want people like the ones in the islamic state to breed and spread, because of how tolerant you are of someone else belief, right?

 

What about the belief to fuck children, because they think it keeps you young? Show some tolerance for their belief!!!



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dark_gh0st_b0y said:
Peh said:

You mean subjective evidence which cannot be evaluated and for non believers and believers in other deities it's the same as no evidence at all.

it makes perfect sense that non-religions people would show skepticism regarding miracles

many Christian prophecies came true with insane accuracy, which serves another kind of ''evidence'

some simple examples, prophesies from Saint Cosmas of Aetolia, around 1750:

''You will see in the plain a carriage without horses which will run faster than a rabbit.'' - referring to cars

''The time will come when people will speak from one far place to another, for example, from Constantinople to Russia, as though they were in adjoining rooms.'' - referring to phones and the internet

"The cause of the general war will come from Dalmatia. First will split Austria and then the Turkey." - From there found occasion the 2 previous World Wars. Because both Archduke Franz Ferdinand, whose murder (28 June 1914) has prompted the First World War and Hitler who started the Second one, were Austrians.  The Austro-Hungary was dissolved back in 1918, and its occupied in the past land of Yugoslavia partitioned after 1990.

what's much more interesting is his prophesy regarding World War 3, and how it is already starting to become real

 

FragileSurface said:

 

Have you read the Bible?  The Jews were more interested in executing Jesus than the Romans.  Jesus committed sins which were punishable by death according to Jewish law such as doing work on the Sabbath.  

I know!

Ok, now I am certain that you are just trolling. I have to applaud you for your effort of keeping up that facade. I nearly fell for it. 

 



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