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David Hoggs personal vendetta is...

Justified. I support it. 44 57.89%
 
Unjustified. I don't support it. 26 34.21%
 
I'm unsure. 1 1.32%
 
Other, comments... 5 6.58%
 
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Chris Hu said:
Azuren said:

She's a political commentator.

Nope she is a major hypocrite pretty much like most people on the right.  She is anti immigration yet she adopted a bunch of foreign kids.  

So because you don't agree with her, she's fair game? Okay, Hitler.



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Azuren said:

And I agree :D

cause you know whats up!

Cause I'm a strong, independent black woman who don't need nothing from no man.



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Azuren said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

cause you know whats up!

Cause I'm a strong, independent black woman who don't need nothing from no man.

mmm hmm,you already know,gurl



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Azuren said:
Chris Hu said:

Nope she is a major hypocrite pretty much like most people on the right.  She is anti immigration yet she adopted a bunch of foreign kids.  

So because you don't agree with her, she's fair game? Okay, Hitler.

Nope, I just think she is a cunt period being a major hypocrite just makes me hate her more.



Yeah he's kinda annoying. Attacks people and can't handle criticism back. Because he's an expert on guns now.



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Hiku said:
Azuren said:

Are you under some sort of impression that I support her actions?

And are you also under the impression that Wayfair did that on their own accord, rather than being strong-armed by leftist goons?

I'm under the impression that you feel these corporations should continue to sponsor her, even when she behaves this way.
She can bully him all she wants without brands giving her extra money to represent them in a good light. (Which she apparently didn't for some sponsors at least.)

But can you try to present these arguments without reducing people's opinions to "leftists" and "rightists"? I prefer not to be so redundantly presumptuous about people. Not only because I know conservatives who think she got what she deserved. But I'd like to think that the issue of human decency isn't a left vs right thing. And it's just a better way to stay on topic.

Anyway, no one was boycotting her show when she told Lebron James to "shut up and Dribble" because he is "barely intelligible" and "ungrammatical".
Needless to say, Lebron James has more followers than Ingraham and Hogg put together, and then multiplied by 20. (Over 41 million.)
Of course, he didn't call on people to contact her sponsors, but that still created a lot of media attention. And no one has to rally people for sponsors to become aware of situations like this and pull out. Bill O'Riley for example lost a ton of sponsors without anyone in particular rallying ppl to contact them.

So the answer is that it's likely both. Laura behaved in ways that these companies don't want to be associated with, combined with people contacting them over it. It's more a question of if it's justified for sponsors to not want to be associated with her behavior.
You also have to keep in mind that many of her followers are also saying they will boycott said companies if they pull their adds from her show. Hashtag #IStandWithLaura I believe it was. And she has significantly more followers.

You're the one who said there's no good reason to make fun of him. I'm pointing out that there are quite a few reasons to make fun of people like him. There are reasons to leave him alone and let him heal, too, but he has decidedly chosen NOT to go that route. If you don't think what he's doing is just more effective bullying, then I'm not sure you understand what bullying is.

No I used the term "unprovoked" for what Laura did.
When I described the definition of bullying, I worded it as "for no particular reason".
I don't mean that in terms of "good" or "bad" because that can be very subjective. A person in class may have an acne problem, and maybe that can be argued to be a good reason for someone to make fun of him for it.

To the best of my knowledge, prior to this Hogg had not used his standing to attack Laura (or anyone else) over something that's purely personal.
I'm not of the opinion that someone should be free from criticism just because they've been victims of a tragedy. But it depends on what the criticism is. If there's footage of him kicking a baby, then by all means. But from someone who proclaims to keep things classy, to out of the blue claim that he was whining about not getting into specific colleges when all he said was "it's annoying", and even added that he's "not surprised at all that they didn't chose him because there are so many other highly talented people out there who don't even get in either", then it was neither the proper time or place to criticize him imo.

It's a free country though. But if she wants to behave that way, I think it's only fair that sponsors who elevate her position re-evaluate if she is representing their brand in ways they're comfortable with.

I dislike this false idea of TV personalities representing any brand - they're not. They are famous with millions of viewers. The brand is paying to display themselves to those viewers. So what if the personality is a jerk? They're selling you access to viewers, and it's despicable IMO when brands pretend to have a moral conscience and pull their ads because a TV personality said something they dont like. Brands are amoral. They should shut up and keep paying to display themselves to audiences and stop making moral stands. I guarantee you that all these companies are doing morally questionable things by the truck load as a matter of doing business.



Hogg acted like a whiney brat running to mommy because someone called him a name. It's frustrating to live in a society where the weak feel empowered enough to punch up against those in power - and they dont even do it directly, they do it by proxy via their other no name followers. It goes against all natural law. She should use her wealth to go after him aggressively over the next few years, making his future career and relationships impossible. Teach him a lesson in respecting those in power and authority. Dont hit above your weightclass.



contestgamer said:
Hogg acted like a whiney brat running to mommy because someone called him a name. It's frustrating to live in a society where the weak feel empowered enough to punch up against those in power - and they dont even do it directly, they do it by proxy via their other no name followers. It goes against all natural law. She should use her wealth to go after him aggressively over the next few years, making his future career and relationships impossible. Teach him a lesson in respecting those in power and authority. Dont hit above your weightclass.

That makes sense to me, when you can't win via head-to-head combat of course you're going to try to go through unconventional means. And you want people to respect those in power and authority simply because they're in power and authority?



Hiku said:
Azuren said:

Are you under some sort of impression that I support her actions?

And are you also under the impression that Wayfair did that on their own accord, rather than being strong-armed by leftist goons?

I'm under the impression that you feel these corporations should continue to sponsor her, even when she behaves this way.
She can bully him all she wants without brands giving her extra money to represent them in a good light. (Which she apparently didn't for some sponsors at least.)

I feel those Corporations should sponsor whoever makes them the most money, which is what they're doing. The issue is Hogg damaged her image (from where she makes money for sponsors), causing the sponsors to leave. The problem isn't that the sponsors cucked out. Hogg damaged her ability to generate money and then refused to let off the gas after she admitted defeat. He didn't have to accept her apology, but he could have left it at that. He instead twisted the knife, and it's the kind of deplorable action that I don't support.

But can you try to present these arguments without reducing people's opinions to "leftists" and "rightists"? I prefer not to be so redundantly presumptuous about people. Not only because I know conservatives who think she got what she deserved. But I'd like to think that the issue of human decency isn't a left vs right thing. And it's just a better way to stay on topic.

I use leftist as a term to separate the lunacy of today's Democratic party from the pre-Obama classical liberals. I will also identify the groups involved, so if it's present day Democrats, I'm going to call leftists out. I also never said "rightist". I don't think anyone says rightist.

Anyway, no one was boycotting her show when she told Lebron James to "shut up and Dribble" because he is "barely intelligible" and "ungrammatical". Needless to say, Lebron James has more followers than Ingraham and Hogg put together, and then multiplied by 20. (Over 41 million.)

Of course, he didn't call on people to contact her sponsors, but that still created a lot of media attention. And no one has to rally people for sponsors to become aware of situations like this and pull out. Bill O'Riley for example lost a ton of sponsors without anyone in particular rallying ppl to contact them.

There wasn't a boycott during that because Lebron didn't publicly call for it and declare anyone who disagrees a sympathizer of child murder.

So the answer is that it's likely both. Laura behaved in ways that these companies don't want to be associated with, combined with people SJWs contacting them over it. It's more a question of if it's justified for sponsors to not want to be associated with her behavior.
You also have to keep in mind that many of her followers are also saying they will boycott said companies if they pull their adds from her show. Hashtag #IStandWithLaura I believe it was. And she has significantly more followers.

Like I said above, I don't blame the companies. I blame Hogg for calling the boycott and for twisting the knife. And on the record, I'd wager that this entire debacle lands Hogg into a college of his choice because he's "so brave for standing up for himself".

You're the one who said there's no good reason to make fun of him. I'm pointing out that there are quite a few reasons to make fun of people like him. There are reasons to leave him alone and let him heal, too, but he has decidedly chosen NOT to go that route. If you don't think what he's doing is just more effective bullying, then I'm not sure you understand what bullying is.

No I used the term "unprovoked" for what Laura did.
When I described the definition of bullying, I worded it as "for no particular reason".
I don't mean that in terms of "good" or "bad" because that can be very subjective. A person in class may have an acne problem, and maybe that can be argued to be a good reason for someone to make fun of him for it.

Sounds like a particular reason.

To the best of my knowledge, prior to this Hogg had not used his standing to attack Laura (or anyone else) over something that's purely personal.
I'm not of the opinion that someone should be free from criticism just because they've been victims of a tragedy. But it depends on what the criticism is. If there's footage of him kicking a baby, then by all means. But from someone who proclaims to keep things classy, to out of the blue claim that he was whining about not getting into specific colleges when all he said was "it's annoying", and even added that he's "not surprised at all that they didn't chose him because there are so many other highly talented people out there who don't even get in either", then it was neither the proper time or place to criticize him imo.

He's been calling anyone who disagrees with him child murderers and fucking pieces of shit.

It's a free country though. But if she wants to behave that way, I think it's only fair that sponsors who elevate her position re-evaluate if she is representing their brand in ways they're comfortable with.

Considering the apology and Hogg's response, all she has to do now is reaffirm her apology and wam: Hogg's an asshole.

 

But that's already a thing.



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VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:
Hogg acted like a whiney brat running to mommy because someone called him a name. It's frustrating to live in a society where the weak feel empowered enough to punch up against those in power - and they dont even do it directly, they do it by proxy via their other no name followers. It goes against all natural law. She should use her wealth to go after him aggressively over the next few years, making his future career and relationships impossible. Teach him a lesson in respecting those in power and authority. Dont hit above your weightclass.

That makes sense to me, when you can't win via head-to-head combat of course you're going to try to go through unconventional means. And you want people to respect those in power and authority simply because they're in power and authority?

The problem is mob mentality is fucking stupid, and all Hogg's doing is creating Twitter mobs.



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