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NYCrysis on 03 April 2018

Here is the dataset for horizon:

50,60,60,70,70,75,75,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,81,85,85,85,85,85,85,86,86,86,87,87,88,88,88,88,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,92,92,92,92,93,93,93,95,95,95,95,95,95,95,95,95,95,95,95,96,96,97,97,98,98,98,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100

Population size:115

Mean (μ): 88.626086956522
Median: 90
Mode: 90
Lowest value: 50
Highest value: 100
Range: 50
Interquartile range: 10
First quartile: 85
Third quartile: 95
Variance (σ2): 72.616710775047
Standard deviation (σ): 8.5215439196807
Quartile deviation: 5
Mean absolute deviation (MAD): 6.0877126654064

Now Let's try this for Sea of Thieves:

40,40,50,50,55,60,60,60,60,60,60,60,60,60,60,60,60,65,65,68,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,72,73,73,77,77,78,78,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,82,83,86,90

Population size:58

Mean (μ): 68.827586206897
Median: 70
Mode: 70
Lowest value: 40
Highest value: 90
Range: 50
Interquartile range: 17.25
First quartile: 60
Third quartile: 77.25
Variance (σ2): 103.7288941736
Standard deviation (σ): 10.184738296766
Quartile deviation: 8.625
Mean absolute deviation (MAD): 7.7086801426873



Interpretation is all up to you guys.



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jason1637 on 03 April 2018
CGI-Quality said:
* Thread Announcement * 📣

Although we’re getting reports on users accusing others of downplaying, I’ve seen some of that myself and call it a stalemate. That said, if we can dial back on the accusations, I’d appreciate it. If you see someone deliberately causing trouble beyond my post, shoot along a report. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism and I encourage it. But please don’t come in here just to take negative shots at Sea of Thieves. Thanks guys!

Nice. I like how you added the loudspeaker.



DonFerrari on 03 April 2018
NYCrysis said:
Here is the dataset for horizon:

50,60,60,70,70,75,75,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,81,85,85,85,85,85,85,86,86,86,87,87,88,88,88,88,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,90,92,92,92,92,93,93,93,95,95,95,95,95,95,95,95,95,95,95,95,96,96,97,97,98,98,98,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100

Population size:115

Mean (μ): 88.626086956522
Median: 90
Mode: 90
Lowest value: 50
Highest value: 100
Range: 50
Interquartile range: 10
First quartile: 85
Third quartile: 95
Variance (σ2): 72.616710775047
Standard deviation (σ): 8.5215439196807
Quartile deviation: 5
Mean absolute deviation (MAD): 6.0877126654064

Now Let's try this for Sea of Thieves:

40,40,50,50,55,60,60,60,60,60,60,60,60,60,60,60,60,65,65,68,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,70,72,73,73,77,77,78,78,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,80,82,83,86,90

Population size:58

Mean (μ): 68.827586206897
Median: 70
Mode: 70
Lowest value: 40
Highest value: 90
Range: 50
Interquartile range: 17.25
First quartile: 60
Third quartile: 77.25
Variance (σ2): 103.7288941736
Standard deviation (σ): 10.184738296766
Quartile deviation: 8.625
Mean absolute deviation (MAD): 7.7086801426873



Interpretation is all up to you guys.

Very good numbers =]

 

Funny that the reviewer that gave a 50 to Horizon (troll level review for a game like that) have gave 100 to a game that scored 73 meta, 90 for a 54, gave 60 to SoT (so near the average) and gave 50 to Rayman (92 average), Kingdom Hearts 1.5 Remix which he claims is the best KH to date but remembers him how bad the game was and that he just didn't see at the original time.

The reviews over that are all out of place kkkk... and without that single entry your range would already shrink 10 points kkk



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

flashfire926 on 03 April 2018
DonFerrari said:
Hynad said:

You are rounding it down to make it seem worse than it is. And I really wonder why. What do you have to gain by doing this?

Now, since you're basing your claim based on the score it has on metacritics, do you even know what is considered average there?

Here:


Notice how it says "Mixed or average reviews based on 51 Critics"?


Yeah. It's an average score. Not a bad one. It may be bad by your own metrics (whatever they are), but it isn't so by the metacritic metrics.

The average as 5 is totally wrong as you don't have many games below 5 or a 5 game being considered average. A 5 is considered very very bad, while for forum goers 8 is more what is considered average to good, 7 is on the bad part as far as review go... besides that the user review is even lower.

Considering the game had 35 of its 51 reviews as mixed shows the game isn't on the good part of the spectrum as far as metacritic goes.

No, that's false. 8 is not considered average. 8 is good. 7 is considered average. People thought Kirby was good enough at 74. And now all the sudden metacritic user reviews are a valid metric to see how good a game is?

the claim that 8 is considered average is pure bullshit that you made up just to downplay a game..

Farcry 5, a way out, and other recent "80" games are considered good to great.



Bet with Intrinsic:

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DonFerrari on 03 April 2018
flashfire926 said:
DonFerrari said:

The average as 5 is totally wrong as you don't have many games below 5 or a 5 game being considered average. A 5 is considered very very bad, while for forum goers 8 is more what is considered average to good, 7 is on the bad part as far as review go... besides that the user review is even lower.

Considering the game had 35 of its 51 reviews as mixed shows the game isn't on the good part of the spectrum as far as metacritic goes.

No, that's false. 8 is not considered average. 8 is good. 7 is considered average. People thought Kirby was good enough at 74. And now all the sudden metacritic user reviews are a valid metric to see how good a game is?

the claim that 8 is considered average is pure bullshit that you made up just to downplay a game..

Farcry 5, a way out, and other recent "80" games are considered good to great.

Kirby being good or not (or any other game) have nothing to do with metacritics, but for the life of VGC sub 80 points have been scuffed at. Metacritic won't ever be a good measure, for me it is at most usable when I can't really do a proper investigation before buying a game I don't know anything about and if metacritic is too low I'll avoid, and that is it.

Seems like you haven't read CGI warning.

Farcry on this very site is being questioned about the possible impact on sales because of bad reception.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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hudsoniscool on 03 April 2018

Ya a 80 is not “average”. I think a 80 is very good. Since reviewers have cracked down this gen I think it’s
5= bad
6= below average
7= average
7.5= good
8= very good
8.5= great
9= amazing, and in the discussion for goty
9.5+= near flawless and goty tier.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

flashfire926 on 03 April 2018
DonFerrari said:
flashfire926 said:

No, that's false. 8 is not considered average. 8 is good. 7 is considered average. People thought Kirby was good enough at 74. And now all the sudden metacritic user reviews are a valid metric to see how good a game is?

the claim that 8 is considered average is pure bullshit that you made up just to downplay a game..

Farcry 5, a way out, and other recent "80" games are considered good to great.

Kirby being good or not (or any other game) have nothing to do with metacritics, but for the life of VGC sub 80 points have been scuffed at. Metacritic won't ever be a good measure, for me it is at most usable when I can't really do a proper investigation before buying a game I don't know anything about and if metacritic is too low I'll avoid, and that is it.

Seems like you haven't read CGI warning.

Farcry on this very site is being questioned about the possible impact on sales because of bad reception.

No, that is only one misguided person. Look at every single reply in that entire thread. So far sales figures show it is having the best debut in the series. And how is 81 reception "bad'?

No, sub-80 is only scuffed at because there are way better games available to play, that people don't bother with just average/decent games. For example I'm not going to touch sea of thieves. However, 7 is merely an average score. The claim that 80 is average and 70 is bad is pure bullshit, sorry to say.

But seems like you haven't read the warning since you're here just to take lowkey shots at the game.



Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.

flashfire926 on 03 April 2018
hudsoniscool said:
Ya a 80 is not “average”. I think a 80 is very good. Since reviewers have cracked down this gen I think it’s
5= bad
6= below average
7= average
7.5= good
8= very good
8.5= great
9= amazing, and in the discussion for goty
9.5+= near flawless and goty tier.

THIS^^^



Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.

DonFerrari on 03 April 2018
flashfire926 said:
DonFerrari said:

Kirby being good or not (or any other game) have nothing to do with metacritics, but for the life of VGC sub 80 points have been scuffed at. Metacritic won't ever be a good measure, for me it is at most usable when I can't really do a proper investigation before buying a game I don't know anything about and if metacritic is too low I'll avoid, and that is it.

Seems like you haven't read CGI warning.

Farcry on this very site is being questioned about the possible impact on sales because of bad reception.

No, that is only one misguided person. Look at every single reply in that entire thread. So far sales figures show it is having the best debut in the series. And how is 81 reception "bad'?

No, sub-80 is only scuffed at because there are way better games available to play, that people don't bother with just average/decent games. For example I'm not going to touch sea of thieves. However, 7 is merely an average score. The claim that 80 is average and 70 is bad is pure bullshit, sorry to say.

But seems like you haven't read the warning since you're here just to take lowkey shots at the game.

Saying below 80 metacritic on VGC have been considered bad for a long time is taking a lowkey shot on a game? If you are asking me about reading warnings be careful about the part of keeping civil.

You said yourself, when the best game and which people want to play are near 90 score, a 80 is considered an average game so 70 is on the bad portion. Games aren't looked as arithmetic mean, it is just that for something that you have limited time to play or budget, a 69 isn't considered average or good, for most people it's considered not worth to try.

flashfire926 said:
hudsoniscool said:
Ya a 80 is not “average”. I think a 80 is very good. Since reviewers have cracked down this gen I think it’s
5= bad
6= below average
7= average
7.5= good
8= very good
8.5= great
9= amazing, and in the discussion for goty
9.5+= near flawless and goty tier.

THIS^^^

Have you bothered to check the caveat he put with "cracked down this gen"

You are quite new to VGC, for several years games below 80 were scoffed at over here.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

flashfire926 on 03 April 2018
DonFerrari said:
flashfire926 said:

No, that is only one misguided person. Look at every single reply in that entire thread. So far sales figures show it is having the best debut in the series. And how is 81 reception "bad'?

No, sub-80 is only scuffed at because there are way better games available to play, that people don't bother with just average/decent games. For example I'm not going to touch sea of thieves. However, 7 is merely an average score. The claim that 80 is average and 70 is bad is pure bullshit, sorry to say.

But seems like you haven't read the warning since you're here just to take lowkey shots at the game.

Saying below 80 metacritic on VGC have been considered bad for a long time is taking a lowkey shot on a game? If you are asking me about reading warnings be careful about the part of keeping civil.

You said yourself, when the best game and which people want to play are near 90 score, a 80 is considered an average game so 70 is on the bad portion. Games aren't looked as arithmetic mean, it is just that for something that you have limited time to play or budget, a 69 isn't considered average or good, for most people it's considered not worth to try.

flashfire926 said:

THIS^^^

Have you bothered to check the caveat he put with "cracked down this gen"

You are quite new to VGC, for several years games below 80 were scoffed at over here.

Now you are just spewing out total nonsense. 80 is not considered average. 80 is considered a solid score. 70 is average. You should know this considering you've been here for so long.....apparently not, tho. Also you are right. People want to play good games and not average games. Average games arent worth trying when there are way better games out there.  People loved Assassins creed origins, and that scored 81. Is that game average? No, not even close. It has to score a full 10 points lower to be considered "average"

And we are talking about this gen, since Sea of Thieves is in this gen. Not sure what you're trying to say there. Any other gen is irrelevant.

And I've been a lurker here since 2013 btw. 

edit: I'm bowing out of here. You keep repeating your same invalid points over and over again that aren't backed up by any evidence whatsoever.

Last edited by flashfire926 - on 03 April 2018

Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.