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thismeintiel said:
quickrick said:

man almost everything you said its wrong. psp/ds combined for 230 million, the market shrunk to around 90, comparing it to ps3 makes no sense because ps3 sales just didn't just disappear, 360 took them, unlike psp/ds, where the market such obviously shrunk. also ps2 is the best selling platform of all time.

I disagree about having 2 platforms is draining resources, especially with how easy porting is these days, if nintendo knew they could make a powerful home console that could sell well they would have,  they obviously  decided to combine both as there market share was shrinking and they had to bring there A game to stay relevant. porting any nintedo switch game to a home console like ps4 would be a breeze, and require very little cost and effort.

Exactly. Nintendo combined their markets because they couldn't compete with home consoles. The worst selling PS home console was less than 15M away from catching their most successful home console. And other than that blip, Nintendo home consoles have seen steady declines. And just like Sony, they saw the incredible hit the handheld market took after the introduction of smartphones. So, instead of competing head on or relying solely on a shrinking market, they chose to focus their resources on a unique hybrid system.

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I'm guessing no. I think it will end up around the 3DS, maybe a little more. So, 70M-80M.

And why they didnt combined their markets after GC for instance? Reality is that they had some sort of plans for unified platform and combined markets around Wii U launch when nobady know that Wii U will fail and that goes espacily for Nintendo (in same time they made plan to marge their handheld and home console divisions), and main reason for that was that they had huge problems supporting two difrent platforms in same time where both platforms suffered from droughts (just look at Wii U). Thre was no steady decline when Wii was their best selling console and Wii U there worst selling console ever.

70-80m is probably minium that Switch will end up, at end of this year Switch will be at 30m+, and thats for less than 2 years on market while Nintendo said they want longer life span for Switch than usual 5-6 years.



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Miyamotoo said:
thismeintiel said:

Exactly. Nintendo combined their markets because they couldn't compete with home consoles. The worst selling PS home console was less than 15M away from catching their most successful home console. And other than that blip, Nintendo home consoles have seen steady declines. And just like Sony, they saw the incredible hit the handheld market took after the introduction of smartphones. So, instead of competing head on or relying solely on a shrinking market, they chose to focus their resources on a unique hybrid system.

@ OP

I'm guessing no. I think it will end up around the 3DS, maybe a little more. So, 70M-80M.

And why they didnt combined their markets after GC for instance? Reality is that they had some sort of plans for unified platform and combined markets around Wii U launch when nobady know that Wii U will fail and that goes espacily for Nintendo (in same time they made plan to marge their handheld and home console divisions), and main reason for that was that they had huge problems supporting two difrent platforms in same time where both platforms suffered from droughts (just look at Wii U). Thre was no steady decline when Wii was their best selling console and Wii U there worst selling console ever.

70-80m is probably minium that Switch will end up, at end of this year Switch will be at 30m+, and thats for less than 2 years on market while Nintendo said they want longer life span for Switch than usual 5-6 years.

every company has a plan b. after GC failed they took a completely different approach then MS/sony, they stopped competing in the power race, and started there blue ocean strategy. if wiiu and 3ds sold 200 million combined there is no way nintendo would combine markets. it was always a plan B for them, and honestly it's a great plan.



quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

And why they didnt combined their markets after GC for instance? Reality is that they had some sort of plans for unified platform and combined markets around Wii U launch when nobady know that Wii U will fail and that goes espacily for Nintendo (in same time they made plan to marge their handheld and home console divisions), and main reason for that was that they had huge problems supporting two difrent platforms in same time where both platforms suffered from droughts (just look at Wii U). Thre was no steady decline when Wii was their best selling console and Wii U there worst selling console ever.

70-80m is probably minium that Switch will end up, at end of this year Switch will be at 30m+, and thats for less than 2 years on market while Nintendo said they want longer life span for Switch than usual 5-6 years.

every company has a plan b. after GC failed they took a completely different approach then MS/sony, they stopped competing in the power race, and started there blue ocean strategy. if wiiu and 3ds sold 200 million combined there is no way nintendo would combine markets. it was always a plan B for them, and honestly it's a great plan.

You still dont get it, Nintendo start talking about unified platform and combined markets around Wii U launch when nobady know that Wii U will fail and that goes espacily for Nintendo (in same time they made plan to marge their handheld and home console divisions), and main reason for that was that they had huge problems supporting two difrent platforms in same time where both platforms suffered from droughts (just look at Wii U).



Miyamotoo said:
quickrick said:

every company has a plan b. after GC failed they took a completely different approach then MS/sony, they stopped competing in the power race, and started there blue ocean strategy. if wiiu and 3ds sold 200 million combined there is no way nintendo would combine markets. it was always a plan B for them, and honestly it's a great plan.

You still dont get it, Nintendo start talking about unified platform and combined markets around Wii U launch when nobady know that Wii U will fail and that goes espacily for Nintendo (in same time they made plan to marge their handheld and home console divisions), and main reason for that was that they had huge problems supporting two difrent platforms in same time where both platforms suffered from droughts (just look at Wii U).

what part of plan B don't you understand? I knew the wiiu was gonna fail, you think nintendo didn't have any plans just in case wiiu failed? the hype for the console was none existent. 



Ck1x said:
Switch will outsell Wii because Nintendo wants to support the platform much longer than the usual console cycle. So this will include hardware revisions and probably varying price models for everything from a handheld only Switch to a more powerful unit closer to the PS4 spec wise.

Yeah, Nintendo basically ended serious support for the Wii after 2010, their 2011 lineup was a late/delayed Zelda title and a few other stragglers. Wii essentially got 4 years of proper support, and 1 year of leftovers.

I still think Nintendo will iterate on the Switch rather than use the old generational structure. People are used to itsrative hardware these days with iOS updating yearly, and Android based platforms often multiple times a year. The Switch hardware is easy to iterate on; and it’s not a gigantic deal using asset tiers; devs have already been doing this quite successfully with Switch porting. It would be interesting to see this sort of approach with Switch units having 6-8 years of support and new hardware every 2 or 3 years, rather than waiting 4-7 years for an entirely new console. As long as Nintendo only adds to the interface, and never subtracts, it’s all good; and with Switch, that doesn’t seem like an issue.



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quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

You still dont get it, Nintendo start talking about unified platform and combined markets around Wii U launch when nobady know that Wii U will fail and that goes espacily for Nintendo (in same time they made plan to marge their handheld and home console divisions), and main reason for that was that they had huge problems supporting two difrent platforms in same time where both platforms suffered from droughts (just look at Wii U).

what part of plan B don't you understand? I knew the wiiu was gonna fail, you think nintendo didn't have any plans just in case wiiu failed? the hype for the console was none existent. 

What do you think that was plan B and not A, actually all suggests that was plan A, they admitted that they had huge problems in ddevelopment because supporting two different platforms in same time and thats why they had those plans so early. You think that evrething Nintendo related will fail, so what you thought about Wii U is totally irelevant, Nintendo thought until Q4 2013. that Wii U will start selling and thats far more important in this discussion, because Nintendo start talking about unified platform and combined markets in January 2013. and they later said they had similar plans even before but technology wasn't yet there.



Miyamotoo said:
quickrick said:

what part of plan B don't you understand? I knew the wiiu was gonna fail, you think nintendo didn't have any plans just in case wiiu failed? the hype for the console was none existent. 

What do you think that was plan B and not A, actually all suggests that was plan A, they admitted that they had huge problems in ddevelopment because supporting two different platforms in same time and thats why they had those plans so early. You think that evrething Nintendo related will fail, so what you thought about Wii U is totally irelevant, Nintendo thought until Q4 2013. that Wii U will start selling and thats far more important in this discussion, because Nintendo start talking about unified platform and combined markets in January 2013. and they later said they had similar plans even before but technology wasn't yet there.

i never thought switch would fail, always had it 40-50 million, now 60-70. Nintedo home consoles usually struggle, 3 out of the last 4  were failures for nintendo, so it's not a surprise they were talking about a unified platform, as they are used to there home consoles not doing good, and 3ds will probably be the weakest entry in the handheld market for them, it makes sense to be getting ready for a unified platform., in case wiiu failed, which had a high probability.



quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

What do you think that was plan B and not A, actually all suggests that was plan A, they admitted that they had huge problems in development because supporting two different platforms in same time and thats why they had those plans so early. You think that evrething Nintendo related will fail, so what you thought about Wii U is totally irelevant, Nintendo thought until Q4 2013. that Wii U will start selling and thats far more important in this discussion, because Nintendo start talking about unified platform and combined markets in January 2013. and they later said they had similar plans even before but technology wasn't yet there.

i never thought switch would fail, always had it 40-50 million, now 60-70. Nintedo home consoles usually struggle, 3 out of the last 4  were failures for nintendo, so it's not a surprise they were talking about a unified platform, as they are used tot here home consoles not doing good, and 3ds will probably be the weakest entry in the handheld market, it makes sense to be getting ready for a unified platofrm. 

You were constatnyl negative about Switch even before Switch launch, but how Switch continue to sell good you have more positive look, but yet you said that Switch sales this year will fail over cliff even nothing pointing at that. Only real failure was Wii U, even GC didnt make succes for Nintendo, they still made profit with it, N64 sold 33m I dont think that could be called failure, and that relly dont matter when after all that they released their easily best selling home console and 3rd best selling home console ever. Offcourse that phone/tablet gaming affect on handheld sales, but you again ignoring fact that they had plans those even before Wii U launch beacuse they had huge problems in development because supporting two different platforms in same time, they had similar plans even before but technology wasn't yet there.




Miyamotoo said:
quickrick said:

i never thought switch would fail, always had it 40-50 million, now 60-70. Nintedo home consoles usually struggle, 3 out of the last 4  were failures for nintendo, so it's not a surprise they were talking about a unified platform, as they are used tot here home consoles not doing good, and 3ds will probably be the weakest entry in the handheld market, it makes sense to be getting ready for a unified platofrm. 

You were constatnyl negative about Switch even before Switch launch, but how Switch continue to sell good you have more positive look, but yet you said that Switch sales this year will fail over cliff even nothing pointing at that. Only real failure was Wii U, even GC didnt make succes for Nintendo, they still made profit with it, N64 sold 33m I dont think that could be called failure, and that relly dont matter when after all that they released their easily best selling home console and 3rd best selling home console ever. Offcourse that phone/tablet gaming affect on handheld sales, but you again ignoring fact that they had plans those even before Wii U launch beacuse they had huge problems in development because supporting two different platforms in same time, they had similar plans even before but technology wasn't yet there.


so you're saying if wiiu sold 100 million, they still would still unify the platforms? thing is technology is still not there yet, nintedo made huge sacrifices compared to a dedicated home console, most  third party games aren't being ported because the hardware is too weak, you are simply confirming that nintedo knows they can not compete with MS/sony in the home console market, and switch shows this by design.

Last edited by quickrick - on 30 March 2018

quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

You were constatnyl negative about Switch even before Switch launch, but how Switch continue to sell good you have more positive look, but yet you said that Switch sales this year will fail over cliff even nothing pointing at that. Only real failure was Wii U, even GC didnt make succes for Nintendo, they still made profit with it, N64 sold 33m I dont think that could be called failure, and that relly dont matter when after all that they released their easily best selling home console and 3rd best selling home console ever. Offcourse that phone/tablet gaming affect on handheld sales, but you again ignoring fact that they had plans those even before Wii U launch beacuse they had huge problems in development because supporting two different platforms in same time, they had similar plans even before but technology wasn't yet there.


so you're saying if wiiu sold 100 million, they still would still unify the platforms? thing is technology is still not there yet, nintedo made huge sacrifices compared to a dedicated home console, most  third party games aren't being ported because the hardware is too weak, you are simply confirming that nintedo knows they can not compete with MS/sony in the home console market, and switch shows this by design.

I'm still holding out for them to release a home console.