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It may be my #1 console of all time. I think I played it more than any other console, ever. My heart says SNES but the numbers say Xbox 360.



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Xen said:
xl-klaudkil said:
Also i do wanne say last genn whas one if not the worst ever, waay to many shooters and to phew new ips.
This genn is well at least for ps4 back to the ps2 days.

Too many shooters sure,, but even the PS4 is not quite on the combined level of PS3 and 360 that gen, still a ways to go IMO: so so many great PS4 games are remakes of PS360 titles!

PS2 though is such an amazingly high level of console that nothing will touch it ever. It is not only the zenith of Sony, but the zenith of home consoles as well IMO.

PS2 doesn't have the quality of games available on PS3. Most PS2 games would now be considered average JRPG's, while PS3 had evergreen games like Infamous 1&2, Killzone 2&3, Resistance 1 to 3, GOW 3, Uncharted 1 to 3, Gran Turismo 6, Demon's Souls and that's just the exclusives. It also was the best gen for multiplatform games like Batman Arkham Asylum and City, Devil May Cry 4 and DmC, Dark Souls, NFS Hot Pursuit and Most Wanted, Red Dead Redemption, Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood, Burnout: Paradise. PS2 has only a few games that still hold up today, the God of Wars, the Devil May Crys and the GT and NFS Undergrounds and Most Wanted. Its not close.

curl-6 said:
S.Peelman said:
So what are your #1 and #2?

SNES and Wii.

GOWTLOZ said:

Personal preference is subjective, what is not subjective is that PS3 had highly rated exclusives in a variety of genres and hence the best library of games. I wouldn't say Halo 4 and Gears look anywhere near as good as GOW 3, Ascension, Killzone 3 and TLOU but then you might prefer their artstyle and I can't argue that as it is subjective.

Ratings are subjective too, it all comes down to which games one prefers. I enjoyed some PS3 exclusives like Uncharted 1-3 and Killzone 3, but not quite as much as I loved Gears 1-3 or Halo 4/Reach.

Personally, I think a lot of people graphically underrate the 360 simply because it didn't have as many graphical showpieces as PS3. Sony made a strong push for them in order try to justify all the "c3ll" hype, while MS didn't prioritize them as much. So while PS3 definitely has the majority of the best looking games last gen, I personally reckon the best of both consoles were pretty much equal. PS3 was generally better at post-processing, while 360's eDRAM meant it was better at doing lots of high res alpha transparencies. The games that doubled down on these strengths exceeded what was possible on the other console; you couldn't do Killzone 3 on 360, but by the same token you couldn't do Gears of War 3 on PS3.

The cell didn't need justification, it was brilliant from a hardware perspective just difficult to code for but it had the most potential of the 3 consoles and could have revolutionised gaming hardware if they had ironed out the processor to make it easier to code for. It was also held back by the lack of ram and made more difficult due to the split ram.

I don't agree that Halo 4 and Gears 3 look close to the PS3's best. Yes they might not be possible on PS3 but visually PS3's top line exclusives blow them away. That's because PS3's strengths outweighed the 360's strengths yet the 360 did have a few ups over the PS3. Unified ram and more powerful GPU for instance surely helped in a lot of games.



GOWTLOZ said:
Xen said:

Too many shooters sure,, but even the PS4 is not quite on the combined level of PS3 and 360 that gen, still a ways to go IMO: so so many great PS4 games are remakes of PS360 titles!

PS2 though is such an amazingly high level of console that nothing will touch it ever. It is not only the zenith of Sony, but the zenith of home consoles as well IMO.

PS2 doesn't have the quality of games available on PS3. Most PS2 games would now be considered average JRPG's, while PS3 had evergreen games like Infamous 1&2, Killzone 2&3, Resistance 1 to 3, GOW 3, Uncharted 1 to 3, Gran Turismo 6, Demon's Souls and that's just the exclusives. It also was the best gen for multiplatform games like Batman Arkham Asylum and City, Devil May Cry 4 and DmC, Dark Souls, NFS Hot Pursuit and Most Wanted, Red Dead Redemption, Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood, Burnout: Paradise. PS2 has only a few games that still hold up today, the God of Wars, the Devil May Crys and the GT and NFS Undergrounds and Most Wanted. Its not close.

It's no wonder you cannot appreciate the PS2: after all, you were about 7 y/o in 2005, which is perhaps its peak year.

That aside, our tastes are a bit too different for me to even present a lengthy argument. In my opinion for example, Assassin's Creed is a terrible and vapid franchise throughout, while Metal Gear Solid 3 handily beats absolutely any 7th gen game... and 8th gen for that matter.



GOWTLOZ said:

curl-6 said:

SNES and Wii.

Ratings are subjective too, it all comes down to which games one prefers. I enjoyed some PS3 exclusives like Uncharted 1-3 and Killzone 3, but not quite as much as I loved Gears 1-3 or Halo 4/Reach.

Personally, I think a lot of people graphically underrate the 360 simply because it didn't have as many graphical showpieces as PS3. Sony made a strong push for them in order try to justify all the "c3ll" hype, while MS didn't prioritize them as much. So while PS3 definitely has the majority of the best looking games last gen, I personally reckon the best of both consoles were pretty much equal. PS3 was generally better at post-processing, while 360's eDRAM meant it was better at doing lots of high res alpha transparencies. The games that doubled down on these strengths exceeded what was possible on the other console; you couldn't do Killzone 3 on 360, but by the same token you couldn't do Gears of War 3 on PS3.

The cell didn't need justification, it was brilliant from a hardware perspective just difficult to code for but it had the most potential of the 3 consoles and could have revolutionised gaming hardware if they had ironed out the processor to make it easier to code for. It was also held back by the lack of ram and made more difficult due to the split ram.

I don't agree that Halo 4 and Gears 3 look close to the PS3's best. Yes they might not be possible on PS3 but visually PS3's top line exclusives blow them away. That's because PS3's strengths outweighed the 360's strengths yet the 360 did have a few ups over the PS3. Unified ram and more powerful GPU for instance surely helped in a lot of games.

The Cell really wasn't all it was cracked up to be; the internet hyped it up as this magical miracle chip that made the PS3 a supercomputer, and it really wasn't. It did deliver more FLOPS than the 360's CPU, but as you've pointed out, 360 had a better RAM setup and GPU, plus the addition of eDRAM gave it a big bandwidth advantage. Even high end PS3 exclusives tended to use half or even quarter res alpha transparencies to compensate for this;  for example:

Of course, PS3 did have advantages of its own. Having played pretty much all the best looking games of both, I still reckon there's little to give either a definitive visual edge over the other.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 05 April 2018

I still got the old launch day 360. The one that crashes after 8 hours of GTA V with a sad old red ring. I may of gotten lucky with mine that it can survive so many red rings in its dreadful 13 years. Most loyal console in the world, putting in the good fight!. I was thinking one day I could get rid of it since I own 2 other much enwer 360's, but nothing can replace the love I have for this specific system.
The disc tray needs pliers to open, the side panels were torn off, I keep it in my old room now because it looks atrocious, and I got the Xbox One to play old games, and new games. It is definitely my number one, with the XOne in 2nd place, and the original Xbox in 3rd.



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Xen said:
GOWTLOZ said:

PS2 doesn't have the quality of games available on PS3. Most PS2 games would now be considered average JRPG's, while PS3 had evergreen games like Infamous 1&2, Killzone 2&3, Resistance 1 to 3, GOW 3, Uncharted 1 to 3, Gran Turismo 6, Demon's Souls and that's just the exclusives. It also was the best gen for multiplatform games like Batman Arkham Asylum and City, Devil May Cry 4 and DmC, Dark Souls, NFS Hot Pursuit and Most Wanted, Red Dead Redemption, Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood, Burnout: Paradise. PS2 has only a few games that still hold up today, the God of Wars, the Devil May Crys and the GT and NFS Undergrounds and Most Wanted. Its not close.

It's no wonder you cannot appreciate the PS2: after all, you were about 7 y/o in 2005, which is perhaps its peak year.

That aside, our tastes are a bit too different for me to even present a lengthy argument. In my opinion for example, Assassin's Creed is a terrible and vapid franchise throughout, while Metal Gear Solid 3 handily beats absolutely any 7th gen game... and 8th gen for that matter.

I wasn't 7, I was 8. Still PS2 was relevant in my country till 2009, and I was old enough to understand mostly everything by that age. I still reckon that most PS2 games don't do it for me. As a kid I did enjoy The Godfather and Mafia on PS2, but now God of War 1 & 2, Devil May Cry 3, GT 3 & 4, NFS Underground 1 & 2 and Most Wanted and GTA games are the only ones I enjoy. That's not because of muh maturity or any such bullshit, its because most PS2 games have aged terribly or were crappy to begin with, while PS3 games standardised certain aspects of game design and controls that made them much better to play and were vastly bigger in scope.

Yes our tastes differ, but by that token no platform is the best objectively. Something that is objective, is that PS2 games had lesser scope, less details, worse controls, less variety of genres than the PS3.

curl-6 said:
GOWTLOZ said:

The cell didn't need justification, it was brilliant from a hardware perspective just difficult to code for but it had the most potential of the 3 consoles and could have revolutionised gaming hardware if they had ironed out the processor to make it easier to code for. It was also held back by the lack of ram and made more difficult due to the split ram.

I don't agree that Halo 4 and Gears 3 look close to the PS3's best. Yes they might not be possible on PS3 but visually PS3's top line exclusives blow them away. That's because PS3's strengths outweighed the 360's strengths yet the 360 did have a few ups over the PS3. Unified ram and more powerful GPU for instance surely helped in a lot of games.

The Cell really wasn't all it was cracked up to be; the internet hyped it up as this magical miracle chip that made the PS3 a supercomputer, and it really wasn't. It did deliver more FLOPS than the 360's CPU, but as you've pointed out, 360 had a better RAM setup and GPU, plus the addition of eDRAM gave it a big bandwidth advantage. Even high end PS3 exclusives tended to use half or even quarter res alpha transparencies to compensate for this;  for example:

Of course, PS3 did have advantages of its own. Having played pretty much all the best looking games of both, I still reckon there's little to give either a definitive visual edge over the other.

Your second comparison seems selectively biased against PS3, showing Kratos from afar when his character model would be less detailed while comparing it to a screenshot from right behind Fenix. Not an accurate comparison.

I did say 360 had some advantages, not sure why you needed to post these screenshots. Never did I say Cell was a miracle chip, but it was a very powerful and impressive CPU and that is undeniable.



GOWTLOZ said:

Your second comparison seems selectively biased against PS3, showing Kratos from afar when his character model would be less detailed while comparing it to a screenshot from right behind Fenix. Not an accurate comparison.

I did say 360 had some advantages, not sure why you needed to post these screenshots. Never did I say Cell was a miracle chip, but it was a very powerful and impressive CPU and that is undeniable.

Seems pretty fair to me; the God of War shot being pulled further back shows more of the game's impressive environments. I think they both look pretty good. Finding like-for-like shots was difficult as I used only Digital Foundry captures to ensure I avoided bullshots.

PS3 did have the more potent CPU than the 360 when properly leveraged, that is indeed undeniable. On the other hand, I think 360's own advantages allow it to hold its own visually. Having played or seen in action first hand pretty much all PS3's leading graphical showpieces, I never saw anything that looked to me like it significantly outshone Gears 3 or Halo 4.



GOWTLOZ said:

Your second comparison seems selectively biased against PS3, showing Kratos from afar when his character model would be less detailed while comparing it to a screenshot from right behind Fenix. Not an accurate comparison.

I did say 360 had some advantages, not sure why you needed to post these screenshots. Never did I say Cell was a miracle chip, but it was a very powerful and impressive CPU and that is undeniable.

Dude! Fenix? Fenix?????!?!?!? That's not Fenix! That's Damon Baird! How can you get this wrong D : ????????? (jk) 



I dont think I could consider the 360 my third favorite system on any level. I could see why it would for anyone who does though. The multiplats were awesome, Gears and Halo were great.

1. PS2
2.PS1
3, SNES
4. PS4
5. N64
6. Dreamcast
7. PS3
8. 360 (i bought 4 xboxes because of RROD and at the end of the day still revealed a bad exclusives issue if third party wasnt present)
9. Sega Genesis
10. Xbox


Damn...Xbox One didnt make it into my top 10. Oh well..



Pinkie_pie said:
almost everyone in this thread seem to think the 360 was the best console last gen. i only had a wii during that gen so i dont know much about the 360 but i did buy a ps3 a year ago for legend of heroes cold steel series, ni no kuni, tales of xillia and few other jrpgs that are exclusive to ps3. so what makes the 360 more special tthan the ps3 besides kinect? what games did the 360 have that werent on the ps3?

It's not just picking one or two aspects and then handing it the "winner" crown.

It's the overall package. Controller, Online... Small features like Voice Chat, Playing Music of your choice in any game... That sort of thing.
The Xbox 360 had a few of my favorite exclusives though... Fable 2, Halo 3, Naruto: Rise of a Ninja and so on.

But... I would still say the SNES is a more important console for me, mostly because the majority of Playstation 3, Xbox 360 games are on PC, where they not only look better, but run better and control better.

curl-6 said:

Honestly, compared to their predecessors, the PS4 and Xbox One just feel kinda uninteresting to me. It takes multiple "must have" games to get me to purchase a console and PS4/Xbone never got the killer apps that made me feel like "I need this system".

Also, the kind of games I'd get on PS4/Xbone I can get on 360 for a fraction the price.

They are pretty uninspiring consoles... Just "More of the same" really, that's not always a bad thing though, at-least you know what to expect I guess.
Still waiting for an excuse to fire up the Xbox One X.



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