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NPD, PS4 2015 vs NSW 2018 (December added)

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Who wins?

PS4 66 40.24%
 
NSW 84 51.22%
 
Tie 14 8.54%
 
Total:164

guys just ignore the people talking nonsense better to ignore than thread going on pages of arguing nonsense



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PotentHerbs said:
Miyamotoo said:

PS4 didnt had system seller games in 2015.!? Now I saw everything. :)

PS4 didn't have system sellers in 2015 on the level of Pokemon + Smash. Yet alone a system seller breaking software records like Smash. We have historical precedent of a console (X360) outselling another console (PS3) entire year with just November + December sales. It's not impossible.

PS4 also isn't a hybrid, drawing sales from two demographics, and has direct competition in the home console space with the XOne and to an extent PC's. On top of all of that, it had the higher price (even with temporary discounts). However, this can also be accredited to Nintendo for taking a risk and succeeding. 

Nintendo predicted 20 FY. Many Nintendo fans on this site expected 2 Million+ NPD for December. 

Obviously great Switch numbers. It just isn't outselling the PS4 launch aligned. Which speaks to what a beast the PS4 is!

The ps4 had system sellers in almost every single month in 2015. I consider 2015 to be the first truly great year for the ps4 in terms of software. 

The switch is currently ahead of the ps4 launch aligned. Worldwide there is a gap of over 3 million in favour of the switch currently. This will of course shrink once ps4 hits it's holiday while the switch goes into the quietest time of the year. But still the switch is at the very least performing on par with the ps4 launch aligned.



Switch might outsell Wii lifetime sales by a good margin with good revisions and a price drop. There is no guarantee on how Nintendo will handle it's decisions though.



PotentHerbs said:
Miyamotoo said:

PS4 didnt had system seller games in 2015.!? Now I saw everything. :)

PS4 didn't have system sellers in 2015 on the level of Pokemon + Smash. Yet alone a system seller breaking software records like Smash. We have historical precedent of a console (X360) outselling another console (PS3) entire year with just November + December sales. It's not impossible.

PS4 also isn't a hybrid, drawing sales from two demographics, and has direct competition in the home console space with the XOne and to an extent PC's. On top of all of that, it had the higher price (even with temporary discounts). However, this can also be accredited to Nintendo for taking a risk and succeeding. 

Nintendo predicted 20 FY. Many Nintendo fans on this site expected 2 Million+ NPD for December. 

Obviously great Switch numbers. It just isn't outselling the PS4 launch aligned. Which speaks to what a beast the PS4 is!

Maybe PS4 didnt had one huge system seller game like Smash, but had much more system seller games in any case, combined lineup of games like Dying Light, Bloodborne, Battlefield: Hardline, Mortal Kombat X, Witcher 3, Batman: Arkham Knight, Madden, Destiny: Taken King, Need For Speed, Uncharted CollectionMetal Gear Solid V, Assassin's Creed: Syndicate, Fallout 4, Call of Duty: Black Ops III, Star Wars: Battlefront, Rainbow Six: Seige...destroys hole 2018. Switch lineup (including Smash Bros + Pokemon).

Point that PS4 is not hybrid dont change nothing, we were talking about lineups.

Point that people (not only fans) expected 2m+ in December dont change nothing, Switch selling around 200k+ less that change nothing.

Actually it is, Switch is outselling PS4 launch aligned, and that shows how strong beast Switch also is, because PS4 had incredible strong sales and it will be 2nd best selling home console of all time, and Switch have stronger sales in same time period.

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1088455577108283394?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1088455577108283394&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231088455577108283394



I dint get how these are in any way bad numbers. Compared to wii u + 3DS (two consoles!!!) it's dine fantastic. Compared to the PS4 it's also done fantastic. Even if they only hit 19 million at the end of the FY that's fantastic.

I literally don't see how it's not fantastic.



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Miyamotoo said:
PotentHerbs said:

PS4 didn't have system sellers in 2015 on the level of Pokemon + Smash. Yet alone a system seller breaking software records like Smash. We have historical precedent of a console (X360) outselling another console (PS3) entire year with just November + December sales. It's not impossible.

PS4 also isn't a hybrid, drawing sales from two demographics, and has direct competition in the home console space with the XOne and to an extent PC's. On top of all of that, it had the higher price (even with temporary discounts). However, this can also be accredited to Nintendo for taking a risk and succeeding. 

Nintendo predicted 20 FY. Many Nintendo fans on this site expected 2 Million+ NPD for December. 

Obviously great Switch numbers. It just isn't outselling the PS4 launch aligned. Which speaks to what a beast the PS4 is!

Maybe PS4 didnt had one huge system seller game like Smash, but had much more system seller games in any case, combined lineup of games like Dying Light, Bloodborne, Battlefield: Hardline, Mortal Kombat X, Witcher 3, Batman: Arkham Knight, Madden, Destiny: Taken King, Need For Speed, Uncharted CollectionMetal Gear Solid V, Assassin's Creed: Syndicate, Fallout 4, Call of Duty: Black Ops III, Star Wars: Battlefront, Rainbow Six: Seige...destroys hole 2018. Switch lineup (including Smash Bros + Pokemon).

Point that PS4 is not hybrid dont change nothing, we were talking about lineups.

Point that people (not only fans) expected 2m+ in December dont change nothing, Switch selling around 200k+ less that change nothing.

Actually it is, Switch is outselling PS4 launch aligned, and that shows how strong beast Switch also is, because PS4 had incredible strong sales and it will be 2nd best selling home console of all time, and Switch have stronger sales in same time period.

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1088455577108283394?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1088455577108283394&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231088455577108283394

That doesn't include PS4's second holiday season. 

The majority of games you listed are multi - plat and only had a limited time bundle (Batman + MGS). Some of these games also had a XOne limited time bundle. Again, nothing compared to Smash + Pokemon, Switch being cheaper, and being a hybrid. Many factors have to be considered when comparing two different devices. 



Excellent Switch performance. 2019 could be even better.



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So PS4 beats Switch, expected as much.



zorg1000 said:
Libi said:
I think the switch Numbers are ok. Because when you compare with the 3ds+wi u its almost the same, but if we compare with the Wii era....well. the same goes for PS4 with the PS3 and the PS2 era.

Comparing anything to the Wii era is setting up for failure, Nintendo sold over 250 million units of hardware between Wii & DS, that is a feat that had never been remotely close to happening before that and will never happen again.

NES+Game & Watch, SNES+Gameboy, N64+GB Color, Gamecube+GBA, Wii U+3DS each did 85-115 million and Switch is on pace to do similar numbers.

The Wii + DS combo was a complete monster. The PS3 + 360 + PSP numbers combined were close to matching the Wii + DS combo but still fell short.

For the Switch, 17 million in a year (or fiscal year) is nothing to scoff at. The install base will continue growing as games continue being developed and released. No, the Switch is not the Wii, but it doesn't have to in order to be considered successful.



Kai_Mao said:
zorg1000 said:

Comparing anything to the Wii era is setting up for failure, Nintendo sold over 250 million units of hardware between Wii & DS, that is a feat that had never been remotely close to happening before that and will never happen again.

NES+Game & Watch, SNES+Gameboy, N64+GB Color, Gamecube+GBA, Wii U+3DS each did 85-115 million and Switch is on pace to do similar numbers.

The Wii + DS combo was a complete monster. The PS3 + 360 + PSP numbers combined were close to matching the Wii + DS combo but still fell short.

For the Switch, 17 million in a year (or fiscal year) is nothing to scoff at. The install base will continue growing as games continue being developed and released. No, the Switch is not the Wii, but it doesn't have to in order to be considered successful.

Honestly I think it could reach Wii levels, it wont have as high of peaks but if handled correctly it could have longer legs.



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