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Ka-pi96 said:
Platina said:
He's threatening Hong Kong and Taiwan that they should not fight for independence

He's not threatening Canada or the rest of the world with this speech

Taiwan don't need to fight for independence though, they already are independent.

When China forcibly annexes them, they will



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Taiwan should just declare independence already. Them still claiming mainland China (and other territories as well) is just ridiculous, the civil war ended 68 years ago, it's time to let it go.



CaptainExplosion said:
vivster said:

Maybe Xi is a nice dictator. Stop judging people you have never met.

NICE dictator? There's no such thing.

Hey! I'd be a lovely dictator.



CaptainExplosion said:
vivster said:

Maybe Xi is a nice dictator. Stop judging people you have never met.

NICE dictator? There's no such thing.

Until now, you mean.



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The US voted a bill supporting Taiwan. China defends as usual the same "Only one China" principle, so for them other countries should deal with Beijing, not Taiwan. So China answers by saying "Don't mess with our business".

That's it. No Cold War, no intention of invading other countries (especially not Canada...). Just "Take care of your own business".

No reason yet for it to go too far, and the only people who could worry about this are Taiwanese.

poklane said: 
Taiwan should just declare independence already. Them still claiming mainland China (and other territories as well) is just ridiculous, the civil war ended 68 years ago, it's time to let it go.

This possibility is the main reason for China's speech (US support could lead to that). It would be the worst possible thing in this situation, and China could possibly invade Taiwan quickly. It's not about Taiwan thinking that they own mainland China, it's about mainland China being convinced that they own Taiwan. I hope Taiwan won't try anything too crazy, the Korean situation got better lately, it would be great not to get a Taiwan incident now...



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vivster said:

Maybe Xi is a nice dictator. Stop judging people you have never met.

NICE dictator? There's no such thing.

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    Birimbau said:

    He just wants to invade Taiwan and take them by force, killing dozens of thousands in the process, and make sure the rest of the world will close their eyes and pretend nothing is happening.

    And Russia has shown with Crimea that annexation is damn worth it. A small and brief recession from the economic sanctions was the only price Putin paid for it. It will pay itself off rather quickly, that's a very good investiment: now imagine that for Taiwan. Not that it is anything new, Turkey and Indonesia both have rolled over foreign land multiple times in the past and annexed them despite the protests of the Western countries.

    But it's something more likely to happen now as the economic hegemony of the West is eroded: from close to 80% of the economic output of the world in the mid 90's to less than 40% in the next decade. That's unless all of the remaining countries quickly "westernize" their politics, so to speak, but the opposite seems more likely to happen nowadays with Trump etc.



     

     

     

     

     

    haxxiy said:
    Birimbau said:

    He just wants to invade Taiwan and take them by force, killing dozens of thousands in the process, and make sure the rest of the world will close their eyes and pretend nothing is happening.

    And Russia has shown with Crimea that annexation is damn worth it. A small and brief recession from the economic sanctions was the only price Putin paid for it. It will pay itself off rather quickly, that's a very good investiment: now imagine that for Taiwan. Not that it is anything new, Turkey and Indonesia both have rolled over foreign land multiple times in the past and annexed them despite the protests of the Western countries.

    But it's something more likely to happen now as the economic hegemony of the West is eroded: from close to 80% of the economic output of the world in the mid 90's to less than 40% in the next decade. That's unless all of the remaining countries quickly "westernize" their politics, so to speak, but the opposite seems more likely to happen nowadays with Trump etc.

    Crimea isn't really the same though. That wasn't really an invasion. There were people who wanted to be part of Russia already there and they started it, Russia only capitalised on the situation to take Crimea. Unless a civil war breaks out in Taiwan with people demanding to be part of China then it's nothing alike and really would require a full scale invasion. Taiwan being an island makes that more difficult as well, having to launch a full naval invasion of an island of 20m people which has it's own military, has prepared for an invasion, and will definitely fight China to keep them out... that means there's a much greater price to pay than "A small and brief recession from the economic sanctions".



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    haxxiy said:
    Birimbau said:

    He just wants to invade Taiwan and take them by force, killing dozens of thousands in the process, and make sure the rest of the world will close their eyes and pretend nothing is happening.

    And Russia has shown with Crimea that annexation is damn worth it. A small and brief recession from the economic sanctions was the only price Putin paid for it. It will pay itself off rather quickly, that's a very good investiment: now imagine that for Taiwan. Not that it is anything new, Turkey and Indonesia both have rolled over foreign land multiple times in the past and annexed them despite the protests of the Western countries.

    But it's something more likely to happen now as the economic hegemony of the West is eroded: from close to 80% of the economic output of the world in the mid 90's to less than 40% in the next decade. That's unless all of the remaining countries quickly "westernize" their politics, so to speak, but the opposite seems more likely to happen nowadays with Trump etc.

    95%+ of Crimea people wanted to be part of Russia again, there would be civil war over there if they remained as part of Ukraine. On the other hand, 95%+ of Taiwan people prefer death over to be one with mainland under CCP.

    Last edited by Birimbau - on 21 March 2018