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Should Goku Join Smash 5?

Yes 32 44.44%
 
No 38 52.78%
 
Broly 2 2.78%
 
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spemanig said:
Azuren said:

Thanks, I was hoping at some point the idea that a fictional character could belong to more than one medium might eventually permeate your stubbornness.

It has! He belongs to the manga medium, the anime medium, and the video game character medium!

I know, right?

 

If you want to make an actual argument and put forth your reasoning for why he can't be considered a video game character in spite of spending quite a bit more time on the medium, feel free. Because your entire argument so far as been so blatantly "nuh uh" that I'm contemplating that report button. If you want to make a point, make it instead of repeating a non-argument.



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mZuzek said:
For the record, I also think ROB shouldn't be in the game.

Considering ROB's origins, I'm finding trouble understanding people's objections to his inclusion. While he wasn't conceived as a literal sprite inside a video game, I find it pretty difficult to argue that he isn't a video game character. The game Gyromite was called "Robot Gyro" in Japan, which is literally referencing ROB's integral role in that game. Stack up was called Robot Block. These were two NES launch games and he's literally on the box art for both. If Smash is a franchise celebrating the history of video games, and ROB is a character created exclusively for video games and integral to the origins of Nintendo as a major player in NA, it feels disingenuous to discount ROB as one. If ROB isn't a video game character, he really isn't a character of anything. I just find ROB's comparison to Goku here very silly.

tl;dr - Goku is not a video game character.



spemanig said:
Azuren said:

Thanks, I was hoping at some point the idea that a fictional character could belong to more than one medium might eventually permeate your stubbornness.

It has! He belongs to the manga medium, the anime medium, and the not a video game character medium!

How is he an anime character? He debuted in manga, so wouldn't that exclude him from being an anime character? And if not, that means he is a video game character too.



VGPolyglot said:
spemanig said:

It has! He belongs to the manga medium, the anime medium, and the not a video game character medium!

How is he an anime character? He debuted in manga, so wouldn't that exclude him from being an anime character? And if not, that means he is a video game character too.

Spoiler alert: He's going to say "because Goku isn't a video game character" and present no evidence to support the claim.



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Goku originated from Manga and anime and then had video games made based on the animes. If the character didn't originate from a video game they can't be considered a video game character. We don't consider Spider-Man a movie or video game character because they made movies and games about him, we consider him a comicbook character because thats where he was first created.

At least thats my reasoning for why Goku's a anime/Manga character and can't be considered a video game character.



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Shaqazooloo0 said:
Goku originated from Manga and anime and then had video games made based on the animes. If the character didn't originate from a video game they can't be considered a video game character. We don't consider Spider-Man a movie or video game character because they made movies and games about him, we consider him a comicbook character because thats where he was first created.

At least thats my reasoning for why Goku's a anime/Manga character and can't be considered a video game character.

1. The video games also feature new stories not present in the anime or manga (two separate mediums, btw).

 

2. So does that rule apply to other Dragon Ball characters? Because there are a number of video game-exclusive characters. Android/Majin 21, for example, has appeared first and only in video games. Is she anime despite never appearing in one? And if not, what ramifications does that hold for the rest of the cast?

 

3. Spiderman hasn't appeared in over 80 video games.



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Azuren said:
spemanig said:

It has! He belongs to the manga medium, the anime medium, and the video game character medium!

I know, right?

 

If you want to make an actual argument and put forth your reasoning for why he can't be considered a video game character in spite of spending quite a bit more time on the medium, feel free. Because your entire argument so far as been so blatantly "nuh uh" that I'm contemplating that report button. If you want to make a point, make it instead of repeating a non-argument.

There is no Goku argument - I'm being silly. Repeating the same thing over and over again and people like you not getting it is the butt of the joke. It's not meant to be taken seriously. It's a silly OT. Dragonball is a franchise which was adapted into video games, but its origins lie in manga so I don't think it belongs in a franchise celebrating video games and specifically its individuality from other media.



Azuren said:
Shaqazooloo0 said:
Goku originated from Manga and anime and then had video games made based on the animes. If the character didn't originate from a video game they can't be considered a video game character. We don't consider Spider-Man a movie or video game character because they made movies and games about him, we consider him a comicbook character because thats where he was first created.

At least thats my reasoning for why Goku's a anime/Manga character and can't be considered a video game character.

1. The video games also feature new stories not present in the anime or manga (two separate mediums, btw).

 

2. So does that rule apply to other Dragon Ball characters? Because there are a number of video game-exclusive characters. Android/Majin 21, for example, has appeared first and only in video games. Is she anime despite never appearing in one? And if not, what ramifications does that hold for the rest of the cast?

 

3. Spiderman hasn't appeared in over 80 video games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spider-Man_video_games

You are correct. Not over 80. But this is a pretty impressive amount. This is more games than Bayonetta has appeared in.

Spiderman for Smash.



spemanig said:
Azuren said:

I know, right?

 

If you want to make an actual argument and put forth your reasoning for why he can't be considered a video game character in spite of spending quite a bit more time on the medium, feel free. Because your entire argument so far as been so blatantly "nuh uh" that I'm contemplating that report button. If you want to make a point, make it instead of repeating a non-argument.

There is no Goku argument - I'm being silly. Repeating the same thing over and over again and people like you not getting it is the butt of the joke. It's not meant to be taken seriously. It's a silly OT. Dragonball is a franchise which was adapted into video games, but its origins lie in manga so I don't think it belongs in a franchise celebrating video games and specifically its individuality from other media.

The butt of the joke is people who repeat themselves over and over in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. And before you get confused again: that's you, and no amount of trollish antics like attempting to hide messages inside of posts will change that.

 

Being in one medium first over another does not automatically disqualify you from being associated with other mediums by your own logic. Goku appeared in a manga first, and like you said, has also appeared in anime and is considered an anime character. But the anime is an adaption of the manga, making your comments contradictory.

 

So which is it? Is Goku ONLY a manga character? Or is he manga and anime, but explicitly not video games? And under what pretense would he be disqualified as a video game character but not as an anime character? Because last I checked, Goku's video game debut was the same year as his anime debut.



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Azuren said:

1. The video games also feature new stories not present in the anime or manga (two separate mediums, btw).

 

2. So does that rule apply to other Dragon Ball characters? Because there are a number of video game-exclusive characters. Android/Majin 21, for example, has appeared first and only in video games. Is she anime despite never appearing in one? And if not, what ramifications does that hold for the rest of the cast?

 

3. Spiderman hasn't appeared in over 80 video games.

1. Kind of irrelevant? none of those are canon to the main stories anyway so.

2. It applies to the whole franchise. New characters created in games of that franchise are still tied to the series roots, especially since Akira Toriyama designed her. 

3. I don't think the amount of games Goku has had matters. The Dragon Ball franchise did not originate from video games, so he's not a game character imo.